Nachash (Genesis 3) - Serpent or Shiny One?

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Many people are interested in this topic, *the nature of the adversary*, if you will. It is very interesting. However, after nearly a decade of research I can state firmly that even if you do find the original meanings, it will not affect your faith in Christ, which is founded on non-ambiguous concepts. The more I have learned about the creations that we call angels, incl. The serpent, the more I see how loving God really is. That is the only thing that has changed for me. But if you want to know what the word means, compare it to Daniel's description of the "man" that told him the meaning of time and half a time.
On another note, many people don't realize that many references to 'angels' (of holy and unholy nature) were changed, several hundred years ago, to more ambiguous terms in order to try to prevent a rising trend toward angel worship. This is one reason that many encounters with these [shining brassy beings] recount them as "man.' Whatever your reason for searching out these things, keep your mind focused on Him, lest you be swayed to errant things that hinder that relationship.
 
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(from Apocalypse of Moses)
xv. 1 Then saith Eve to them: 'Hear all my children and children's children and I will relate to you 2 how the enemy deceived us. It befell that we were guarding paradise, each of us the portion 3 allotted to us from God. Now I guarded in my lot, the west and the south. But the devil went to Adam's lot, where the male creatures were. [For God divided the creatures; all the males he gave to your father and all the females he gave to me.]

xvi. 1 And the devil spake to the serpent saying, "Rise up, come to me and I will tell thee a word 2 whereby thou mayst have profit." And he arose and came to him. And the devil saith to him: 3 "I hear that thou art wiser than all the beasts, and I have come to counsel thee. Why dost thou eat of Adam's tares and not of paradise? Rise up and we will cause him to be cast out of paradise, even 4 as we were cast out through him." The serpent saith to him, "I fear lest the Lord be wroth with 5 me." The devil saith to him: "Fear not, only be my vessel and I will speak through thy mouth words to deceive him."

xvii. 1 And instantly he hung himself from the wall of paradise, and when the angels ascended to 2 worship God, then Satan appeared in the form of an angel and sang hymns like the angels. And I bent over the wall and saw him, like an angel. But he saith to me: "Art thou Eve?" And I said 3 to him, "I am." "What art thou doing in paradise?" And I said to him, "God set us to guard and 4 to eat of it." The devil answered through the mouth of the serpent: "Ye do well but ye do not eat 5 of every plant." And I said: "Yea, we eat of all, save one only, which is in the midst of paradise, concerning which, God charged us not to eat of it: for, He said to us, on the day on which ye eat of it, ye shall die the death."

xviii. 1 Then the serpent saith to me, "May God live! but I am grieved on your account, for I would not have you ignorant. But arise, (come) hither, hearken to me and eat and mind the value of that tree." 2, 3 But I said to him, "I fear lest God be wroth with me as he told us." And he saith to me: "Fear not, for as soon as thou eatest of it, ye too shall be as God, in that ye shall know good and evil. 4 But God perceived this that ye would be like Him, so he envied you and said, Ye shall not eat of 5, 6 it. Nay, do thou give heed to the plant and thou wilt see its great glory." Yet I feared to take of the fruit. And he saith to me: "Come hither, and I will give it thee. Follow me."

xix. 1 And I opened to him and he walked a little way, then turned and said to me: "I have changed my 2 mind and I will not give thee to eat until thou swear to me to give also to thy husband." (And) I said, "What sort of oath shall I swear to thee? Yet what I know, I say to thee: By the throne of the 3 Master, and by the Cherubim and the Tree of Life, I will give also to my husband to eat." And when he had received the oath from me, he went and poured upon the fruit the poison of his wickedness, which is lust, the root and beginning of every sin, and he bent the branch on the earth and I took of the fruit and I ate.

xx. 1 And in that very hour my eyes were opened, and forthwith I knew that I was bare of the righteousness 2 with which I had been clothed (upon), and I wept and said to him: "Why hast thou 3 done this to me in that thou hast deprived me of the glory with which I was clothed? "But I wept also about the oath, which I had sworn. But he descended from the tree and vanished. 4 And I began to seek, in my nakedness, in my part for leaves to hide my shame, but I found none, for, as soon as I had eaten, the leaves showered down from all the trees in my part, except the fig 5 tree only. But I took leaves from it and made for myself a girdle and it was from the very same plant of which I had eaten.

xxi. 1 And I cried out in that very hour, "Adam, Adam, where art thou? Rise up, come to me and 2 I will show thee a great secret." But when your father came, I spake to him words of transgression 3 [which have brought us down from our great glory]. For, when he came, I opened my mouth and the devil was speaking, and I began to exhort him and said, "Come hither, my lord Adam, hearken to me and eat of the fruit of the tree of which God told us not to eat of it, and thou shalt be as 4 a God." And your father answered and said, "I fear lest God be wroth with me." And I said to 5 him, "Fear not, for as soon as thou hast eaten thou shalt know good and evil." And speedily I persuaded him, and he ate and straightway his eyes were opened and he too knew his nakedness. 6 And to me he saith, 'O wicked woman! what have I done to thee that thou hast deprived me of the glory of God?"
 
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No one’s knows what the creature in whom the father of lies, a spirit who has no form looked like when the Father of lies spoke by putting his lying words in the mouth of the creature before the fall, but visually we get the idea it was the most beautiful of all the creatures made from the dust of the fields.

When God corrupted the earth because of the fall it caused death.But before it would seem the serpent did have limbs, and could of walked upright they were lost because of corruption God brought to this world to be used as an example of evil ..being taken from the lifeless spiritless dust it returned.

Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:


Therefore the Spirit of Christ, using that to set up a serpent as the symbol of a false prophet and its poison as false doctrines of men .

Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Eze 28:15

The multitude of merchandise being what the eyes see as part of the three way avenue of the father of lies. Who had become the god of this world typified as a creature seen. Therefore removing the faith principle assigned to God, not seen, giving it over to the corrupted flesh.

1John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

"Nachash" as someone offered which literally means "SHINY ONE is a reflection of the description of the different jewels used of the Satan who has no form before the fall and still has no form as a creature as a beast of the field. .

Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
 
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The answer is simple really.

God chose the Serpent symbol for a reason.

That reason becomes clear once One knows what the Serpent represents in Scripture.

Not what it means in Man's wicked imagination.

Not what the 'myths' say.

Not what Uncle so and so thinks it means.

When One adds all of the evidence from the Word of God, One will find that the Serpent represents RNA and DNA.

Again... simple.

What is RNA made of? Phosphorus.

What does Phosphorus do? It's lights up with fire. AKA, the 'Shining One' or 'Light Bearer' etc.

Here, go to Wikipedia and see for yourself...

"...hence the name, taken from Greek mythology,meaning "light-bearer" (Latin Lucifer), referring to the "Morning Star", the planet Venus (or Mercury)."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphorus

When God says our flesh is corrupt, He PROVES it.

You folks think God made up some silly story about Snakes because it's a 'Cool story bro'?

What about the Serpent on a Pole?

Again, RNA and Chromatids.

It's wake up time everyone. It's time to deal with this new Dispensation.

No more 'Safe Space'.

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It's so frustrating to see good Christians being kept in the dark about these things.

Once One realizes that the Serpent represents RNA/DNA, One will be able to view Scripture with stunning clarity.

For example...

Look at where Satan dwells...

Revelation 2:13
"I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth"


That's in Pergamon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pergamon

Now why in the world would Satan live in Pergamon?

Read the Wikipedia link. What is there?

"Three kilometers south of the Acropolis at (39° 7′ 9″ N, 27° 9′ 56″ E), down in the valley, there was the Sanctuary of Asclepius (also known as the Asclepium), the god of healing"

Did you catch that?

Asclepius...



Get it?

God of Healing?

Serpent on a Pole?

RNA?

Corrupt Flesh?

Thorn in our side?

I could post examples all day long.

 

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Having grown up in a Christian household, I'd always seen the serpent in Genesis 3 as being something similar to a snake. Later in my teens, I viewed it as possibly a lizard-like creature, based on the verse where the Lord curses it by making it crawl on it's belly. Once again, my understanding has changed. Recently, I've discovered (from reading numerous articles) that the Hebrew word for 'snake' is the same as the word for 'shiny one' - "Nachash". I found this incredibly interesting but I'm not sure what to make of it and whether or not to take the theory seriously. On one hand, most people seem to accept the serpent in Genesis as being a snake, on the other, this theory sounds quite plausible (and more interesting). First of all, the Father of Lies (the Adversary) is sometimes described as a fallen angel of light. Secondly, by my reckoning, it's more plausible for Adam and Eve to be tempted by a being a light (as was Joseph Smith - the Mormon conman) than by a talking snake, since the serpent would have to be possessed by the Adversary and the Bible makes no mention of this (to be fair, there's a lot the Bible doesn't mention). Surely, if no other animal in the Garden talked, Adam and Eve would've questioned their situation the moment the serpent first opened it's mouth! I understand that the Bible tells us precious little about this "nachash". I'm just curious to hear what others think about this revelation.

Is there any truth to the claim, or not?
I especially want to hear from people who have studied the original Hebrew texts and are well-versed in these things (scholarly types).

Anyone? Thanks

Here are several of the resources I've read concerning the topic:
THE RAIN / THE SERPENT OF GENESIS 3.
Job, satan, and the serpent
http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/nachashnotes.pdf
"Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made."
Gen 3:1

This is certainly not a description of angel or any shiny being.

Maybe the "animal" can be translated like "brute" as Septuagint does.
 
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It's so frustrating to see good Christians being kept in the dark about these things.

Once One realizes that the Serpent represents RNA/DNA, One will be able to view Scripture with stunning clarity.
Satan's most valuable weapon as a foundation of the wisdom of this world is deceiving the nations that he has form.

Satan is a lying spirit he has no dna. Not made from the lifeless spiritless dust of the field. But needs a creatures (form) to put his lying thoughts in, in order to mimic God who also has no form, as the god of this world

The father of lies, the murder from the beginning has no form, never did never will As far as shiny he is described by stones and a light before the fall. He still mimics both

The father of lies(purple font) is described thoroughly in Ezekiel.

By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up “because of thy riches”:Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set “thine heart” as the heart of God;Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.”They shall bring” thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas.Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.

Eze 28:13
Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thouwast created.

All that is shiny is not gold. It could be fools gold.
 
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Satan is a lying spirit he has no dna.
Lol.

Sure He does!

Genesis 3:15
"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between
thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel"

Both Flesh and Spirit have DNA or 'Seed' as the Bible calls it...

1 Corinthians 15:38
"But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body"

1 Corinthians 15:40
"There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another"


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Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. Genesis 3:1

If not mistaken the 'serpent' was made from the dust of the ground and the breath of life was breathed into his nostril on the sixth day according to the writings within Genesis. [SUP][1][2][/SUP]

[SUP][1] [/SUP]And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:25

[SUP][2] [/SUP]All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. Genesis 7:22

It seems that the serpent is carnal minded, meaning it is at enmity against God, for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be since they abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in them.
 
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