New Age: New Apostolic Reformation

[zone]

I couldnt watch it all, disturbing, Im glad you said dont watch it if your kids are around too, Noah wouldnt have undertstood. As I have stated before, I have seen ALOT, Zone, you know what Im referring to, even similar to this, not in this context tho....and I just dont understand why anyone would want to publicize that, lets say someone DID have a demonic spirit, Im not sayin thats not possible, whats disturbing to me is puttin it on flipppin youtube.

i know Ma. and we've talked many times. we understand each other.

posting the video (made by a faithful Pastor) here is intended to give us a heads up.

these videos are sold and distributed by the NAR as moves of God. no hidden cameras. they are proud of it.

these are the certain men of old, who have slipped in unawares.

the old leader (Peter Wagner) has said this is the fastest growing movement in "Christianity" today.
that there are new prophets and apostles - THEM. thousands of them.

God is sending strong delusion to people who hearken to false prophets and attempt to approach him through pagan means, or in ways He has not ordained.

1 Timothy 4:1
The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

these people want to "hear from God"

 

[4runner]

Did Jesus allow tares in His Church? There are tares in the world, but Christ's church? Do you actually believe this?

You tell me???

Matthew 13
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

 

[4runner]

Are you involved in the kind of practices we see in that video?

Absolutely not

 

[4runner]

Excellent point Dave. There is no civil war in the Church.

There is Christians Vs Everyone else.

So are you saying only one side of those waring against each other in here are christians, and the one who you disagree with are not?

 

[superdave5221]

I couldnt watch it all, disturbing, Im glad you said dont watch it if your kids are around too, Noah wouldnt have undertstood. As I have stated before, I have seen ALOT, Zone, you know what Im referring to, even similar to this, not in this context tho....and I just dont understand why anyone would want to publicize that, lets say someone DID have a demonic spirit, Im not sayin thats not possible, whats disturbing to me is puttin it on flipppin youtube.

Yes, I agree NoahsMom. How do people get to this point? It starts with a little false doctrine. It may be something that someone doesn't feel is important at all. Then it proceeds to another, and another. Many false doctrines have implications that lead to other false doctrines.

Satan is a wily serpent. He works deceptively, line by line, precept by precept, until he reels you in, hook, line, and sinker. That is why sound doctrine is important.

These people will tell you, and believe no doubt, that they are "experiencing" the Holy Spirit. Who are we to deny their experiences? If it weren't for the special revelation, known as the Scriptures, we would not be able to. We would have only our "experiences" to offer them. And who then would be able to say who was right?

 

[unclefester]

well I am not sure about all the claims Rick Joyner makes, but you have to go no further than this forum to see that their is a civil war in the Church, Jesus calls them the wheat and the tares.

You obviously didn't watch that clip of Joyner's "ministry" in action. And if you did, and this is the only comment you have on the matter, ......then there is nothing left to say. Your silence speaks for itself. These heretics have NOTHING to do with Christ or His church. And for pointing this truth out, Zone is of the devil ? So thoroughly disgusting, it is beyond words.

 

[NoahsMom]

Its just that, I know what it feels like , and its not what is portrayed, and it hurts my feelings that ANYBODY would portray my Jesus that way.

 

[4runner]

These heretics have NOTHING to do with Christ or His church.

Never said they did

And for pointing this truth out, Zone is of the devil ? .

Zone is a devil for much more than anything she has said about NAR or Rick Joyner.

 

[superdave5221]

You tell me???

Matthew 13
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

The kingdom of heaven is the barn, in this parable.

 

[AnandaHya]

don't worry Ma, it ain't your Jesus being potrayed in that video, not mine either... though was I the only one who heard the name "allah" in that clip?

 

[zone]

Its just that, I know what it feels like , and its not what is portrayed, and it hurts my feelings that ANYBODY would portray my Jesus that way.

me too Lori.
this is why i keep doing this.


i love you.
kath.

 

[AnandaHya]

Zone is a devil for much more than anything she has said about NAR or Rick Joyner.

ever time you attack Zone I see you stabbing another thorn into Jesus crown....whether you believe as many on this site that she is a child or God or not, you should still be blessing and not cursing her.

Yes you are cursing her by calling her a devil, a vessel of satan, a dog and other names. If she was not so strong in her faith that she has been saved by Jesus you might actually hurt her feelings. If she was anyone else, you would have been stopped a long time ago. the only reason is because she response in kind and both of you enjoy provoking each other and insulting each other.

if this wasn't a public forum I'd stay out of it, but could you take your lovers quarrel some where private?

 

[Strangelove]

So are you saying only one side of those waring against each other in here are christians, and the one who you disagree with are not?

There are people here who promote false doctrine.

Let God be the judge.

 

[NoahsMom]

Thats my point Ananda, when its me and Jesus, its the SWEETEST, most PEACEFUL feelin in this world, its indescribable, I can do nothing but hang my head and cry, because I dont have the words, to tell him ( God) how much I love him and thank him for being with me.....filthy, no good , ME, but he chooses to wrap me in his love, and All I can do is cry. He chose to give up a kingdom, to come for ME...how do you thank someone enough for THAT? I have said all along, if someone chooses to think im a heretic, or looney, or charismatic for THAT, then dont set next to me, BUT....its fruitloops like this, that makes me people leerey of ME, cept zone, LOL..

 

[Strangelove]

Never said they didZone is a devil for much more than anything she has said about NAR or Rick Joyner.

Thanks for making it black and white crystal clear 4runner.

Attacking this forums top sheperd with a familiar line.

(Matthew 12:24) But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

 

[zone]

ever time you attack Zone I see you stabbing another thorn into Jesus crown....whether you believe as many on this site that she is a child or God or not, you should still be blessing and not cursing her.

Yes you are cursing her by calling her a devil, a vessel of satan, a dog and other names. If she was not so strong in her faith that she has been saved by Jesus you might actually hurt her feelings. If she was anyone else, you would have been stopped a long time ago. the only reason is because she response in kind and both of you enjoy provoking each other and insulting each other.

if this wasn't a public forum I'd stay out of it, but could you take your lovers quarrel some where private?

and you too, now?
HOW DARE YOU.

 

[NoahsMom]

Zone is a devil for much more than anything she has said about NAR or Rick Joyner.4runner, I said a few posts up, Id be straight with ya, and I will outta respect, but this statement is wrong brother. Im full blown bapticostal and she has shown me NOTHIN but love , even tho we dont agree 100%, and she means it, I know ppl have been harsh with you here too, and Im sorry for that, I try and give every one the benefit of the doubt, but zone has feelings too, and they get hurt just like everybody elses.

 

[4runner]

Thanks for making it black and white crystal clear 4runner.

Attacking this forums top sheperd with a familiar line.

Zone is your shepherd huh? Wow!!!

Jeremiah 23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.

She devours, and destroys the sheep, but the true followers of Christ do not answer to her call.

 

[AnandaHya]

Thats my point Ananda, when its me and Jesus, its the SWEETEST, most PEACEFUL feelin in this world, its indescribable, I can do nothing but hang my head and cry, because I dont have the words, to tell him ( God) how much I love him and thank him for being with me.....filthy, no good , ME, but he chooses to wrap me in his love, and All I can do is cry. He chose to give up a kingdom, to come for ME...how do you thank someone enough for THAT? I have said all along, if someone chooses to think im a heretic, or looney, or charismatic for THAT, then dont set next to me, BUT....its fruitloops like this, that makes me people leerey of ME, cept zone, LOL..

lol nah Ma. its fruitloops like that that make me leery of myself until we remember God is not a God of confusion. Just because we look out into the world and see people lying about God does not mean we should do the opposite of them. no we should do what God speaks for us to do. God gives us gifts and gives us things that are private. like any marriage there are some things you just can't talk about but are still vital important parts of the marriage. I reminds me of these scriptures....

1 Corinthians 12
23 And those members of the body which we think to be less honorable, on these we bestow greater honor; and our unpresentable parts have greater modesty, 24 but our presentable parts have no need.

I think too often people have forgotten what the unpresentable parts are and why we need to have greater modesty...

2 Corinthians 12

1 It is doubtless[a] not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord: 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4 how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 5 Of such a one I will boast; yet of myself I will not boast, except in my infirmities.

Revelation 10:4
Now when the seven thunders uttered their voices, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Seal up the things which the seven thunders uttered, and do not write them.”

sometimes God just leaves us utterly speechless and all we can do is cry or shout for Joy at His love and His grace.

 

[4runner]

Zone is a devil for much more than anything she has said about NAR or Rick Joyner.4runner, I said a few posts up, Id be straight with ya, and I will outta respect, but this statement is wrong brother. Im full blown bapticostal and she has shown me NOTHIN but love , even tho we dont agree 100%, and she means it, I know ppl have been harsh with you here too, and Im sorry for that, I try and give every one the benefit of the doubt, but zone has feelings too, and they get hurt just like everybody elses.

And I will be straight with you. If you have never felt the brunt of Zone's attacks then you might want to ask the Lord why satan's devourer of the sheep has not tried to devour you.