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for one is a future prophesy in a book about the future, so how can the child be Jesus, two it talks about things happening that are not in the gospels, three why would john be reimagining the birth of Jesus in revelation.
That is interesting, or the dragon in heaven and a war breaks out.
 

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That is interesting, or the dragon in heaven and a war breaks out.
yes and i believe the woman is not Israel but the queen of Israel and she gives birth to a son who becomes the king of heaven, and every reference to Jesus in rev is the lamb and its not used here or in chapter 19
 
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That does not make sense a new king other than Jesus in heaven, for the Bible says that Jesus has made the saints kings and priests unto God the Father, and He is the King of kings, which He is King of the saints who are kings, and High Priest, and the saints are priests.

And Jesus said all power is given unto Him in heaven and earth, and He is the head of all principality, authority, and power, and He is the only Ruler, so how can there be another king in heaven.

Jesus is the only King, so how can there be another king other than Him that would rule over people, and angels in heaven.

And Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, and that is why He is King.

And since Jesus is God then if there were another king in heaven he would have to made of physical matter, but the man Christ Jesus is already the personal human body of God, physical matter, and the throne in heaven the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus, which is the visible relationship of the invisible God to the saints forever.

God is the only one who can be King in heaven, and no one else, and Jesus is God so He is King, and there is only one visible manifestation of God to the saints, Jesus Christ, and any other so called king would not have the deity of God, so God would not allow it, and would not ordain it.

Will God let a mere physical creation be king in heaven, for would He let a human, or angel, or any other created being be king in heaven, who does not have the deity of God, and not considered God.

That does not make sense.

If God is the only one who can be King, and ruler in heaven, and no one else, and Jesus is God, then Jesus can be the only King in heaven, and no one else.

1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Jesus is the only Ruler, and King of kings, which the saints are the kings, for God does not consider the heathen that rule in nations, and kingdoms as kings.

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

The woman is Israel, and the 12 stars are the 12 tribes of Israel.

Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Jesus came through the nation of Israel.

Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

The red dragon is Satan, and the seven heads are the 7 kingdoms that precede the man of sin, New Age Christ,who is the 8th king, and of the 7 for the devil influenced those 7 kingdoms.

1.Egypt 2.Assyria 3.Babylon 4. Medo-Persia 5.Greece 6.The Roman Empire 7.The ten horn kingdom, the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section.

The ten horns is the physical dominion of the beast which the ten horns hand their power over to the beast, and that is how he gets control of the world.

The crowns are on the heads, which means Satan in the spiritual realm deceiving people.

In chapter 13 the crowns are on the ten horns, the physical dominion, which is Satan deceiving in the natural realm as the man of sin.

Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Satan caused one third of the angels to rebel, but the fallen angels have access to the air above them, first and second heaven, which Satan is the prince of the power of the air.
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

It is obvious that the man child is a man, for it states He is a man, who is Jesus, God manifest in the flesh, born of the virgin Mary, who is of Israel the woman.

And it states He will rule the nations with a rod of iron, so it speaks that He will be on earth ruling one day.

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Which He will rule on earth as King over the heathen that God spared when He fought the world, and put down Gentile governments from ruling.

Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

This is the start of the 7 years period where God is causing all people who do not love Him to follow the man of sin, and when they take the mark of the beast, which has to do with technology, a GPS tracking system for humans to cut down on crime, then salvation is no longer available to the world, and brings Israel as a nation to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.

Which God said He will bring all the Jews back to their land, and leave none of them in the nations anymore, which the man of sin will establish peace in the Middle East, and it will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel, for the Gentile nations will cause it, and the man of sin wants them all back on their land, but God means it for good towards the Jews.

The nation of Israel is protected from physical attack for the first three and one half years.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

This war has not happened yet.

When this war happens the fallen angels are cast to earth, which the earth becomes the habitation of devils, and their holding cell, and Satan is no longer the prince of the power of the air, and the devils will deceive all people who do not love God to follow the man of sin, which is the strong delusion that God shall send everyone that does not love the truth.

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

The nation of Israel is protected from physical attack for the last three and one half years.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The remnant of the seed of the woman is those that abide by the New Testament, which when a Gentile is saved they become a Jew inward, and part of the commonwealth of Israel, and the beast will make war against all those who hold the testimony of Jesus for the last three and one half years, in which they will be gathered unto Christ, and then the world will attack Israel, and Jesus will come back with the saints, and defeat the world, and save Israel.

And Jesus will rule for 1000 years on earth, and rule the nations with a rod of iron, for it will only be His way among the heathen, and no other way.

It states the man child will rule on earth over the nations with a rod of iron, not in heaven, for Jesus does not need to rule with a rod of iron in heaven, for the saints are not heathens, and they have the Spirit, and the flesh is gone, so they cannot sin anymore, and cannot rebel anymore, and will always comply to God like the man Christ Jesus, so there is no reason for Jesus to rule with a rod of iron in heaven.

And when the saints are in heaven Jesus is the only one who is King there for He is God, and only God is the King, and Jesus is the only Ruler.
 

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the jews thought someone calling God his father was a blasphemy and picked up stones to stone him, what if Jesus in his wisdom appoints a man in the last days to serve him, not only on earth but in the heavenly realms too, and its this man the servant of christ that fights the beast and evil kings of the earth in the last time. and what if this man becomes king in the name of Christ.
 
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You mentioned the dragon going after the woman first, it doesn’t appear in scripture that way. the dragon wanted to devour the child through verse 6, then in verse 13 on earth is when the dragon went after the woman.
 
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yes and i believe the woman is not Israel but the queen of Israel and she gives birth to a son who becomes the king of heaven, and every reference to Jesus in rev is the lamb and its not used here or in chapter 19
Well I think that may be a theory, the woman in rev 12 isn’t on earth when she gives birth but a sign in heaven. I don’t think there’s anything that says in scripture the woman the sign in heaven is Israel. though I could be wrong there might be a verse that points to that sign in heaven.
 

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Well I think that may be a theory, the woman in rev 12 isn’t on earth when she gives birth but a sign in heaven. I don’t think there’s anything that says in scripture the woman the sign in heaven is Israel. though I could be wrong there might be a verse that points to that sign in heaven.
the crown of 12 stars represent the 12 tribes of Israel as in the dream of Joseph, so it prob means this woman has authority over Israel just as Joseph did
 

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thought she may be of heaven but i am not sure if women can give birth in heaven
 
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the crown of 12 stars represent the 12 tribes of Israel as in the dream of Joseph, so it prob means this woman has authority over Israel just as Joseph did
Well it’s sort of a theory, like saying the 12 tribes that live within the milky Way galaxy.
 

noblenut

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Well it’s sort of a theory, like saying the 12 tribes that live within the milky Way galaxy.
who knows we all may be in outer space in a few year, but stars in the bible represent things on earth, its the same for the seven churches in the beginning of rev
 
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who knows we all may be in outer space in a few year, but stars in the bible represent things on earth, its the same for the seven churches in the beginning of rev
Ive never heard of stars in the Bible only represent things on earth, is there bible verses you know of could share about that
 
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rev 1 20, the seven stars represent the seven churches
thanks for the info, I read chapter one at the end it appears it mentions the churches as the lamp stands
 
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Stars and lamp stands seem to be two things.
 
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I’m not into the zodiac crap but there are stars that only appear during each month, one of the 12 constellations appears above the horizon in the east to begin its march across the sky. Night after night, the constellation appears to move across our sky until it disappears below the horizon in the west and the next constellation appears in the east. another interesting note, of the millions of stars, only 5,780 are visible to the naked eye.
 

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I’m not into the zodiac crap but there are stars that only appear during each month, one of the 12 constellations appears above the horizon in the east to begin its march across the sky. Night after night, the constellation appears to move across our sky until it disappears below the horizon in the west and the next constellation appears in the east. another interesting note, of the millions of stars, only 5,780 are visible to the naked eye.
that's good to know, and the bible has nothing to do with zodiacs,