NEW PRETRIB RAPTURE EVIDENCE!!!

[Nehemiah6]

I am not a Darby basher, truth is truth, until Darby, the church was taught the day of the Lord and removed before the wrath of God. History disagrees with you that Darby did not invent it, he did. Scofield then picked it up and and expanded the lie when he introduced the doctrine of dispensationalism.

Dispy and rapture lies counter what the Bible states and ever since then, every whackdadoodle date setter as set the date of the rapture based on the lie.

You continue to bash Christians instead of simply dealing with Scripture. Which means that you cannot really refute WITH SCRIPTURE the truth about the Rapture. As for "super secret", just as the New Birth is "super secret", and just as the Kingdom of God "cometh not with observation", the Rapture is strictly for the saints, not the unbelieving world.

 

[heartofdavid]

Is there any evidence supporting that?

^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^

 

[heartofdavid]

I never said there was a post trib rapture, you have. The greatest lie Satan will have on the church is oh look, Jesus is coming, yet it will not be Jesus it will be the beast.

I am rapture ( bride/groom/gathering) centered.
Not AC ,GT centered.

If you believe something else carefully and sytematically lay it out.

 

[heartofdavid]

Funny guy, Darby was Amillennialism

The entire darby and crowd,historian,church father thing is a side road.

If that dynamic makes a case,it is automatically weak

 

[heartofdavid]

Hint;
Israel becomes a nation WITHOUT their knowledge.
Therefore a conclusion was reached outside of knowledge

 

[dcontroversal]

Regardless, I believe that, & am not ashamed to say so.

OK....you would be false in your assumption.....I will gladly wait till we stand before God to be vindicated.....you basically just called me a liar.....

 

[dcontroversal]

And here I thought we could have some christian conversation.

Doesn't sound very christian to me.

Kind of like accusing me off leading a group out to get you and then calling me a liar when I said that was not the case???

 

[dcontroversal]

So Jesus comes 3x to the earth is that your story? once as a baby, once in the air and once on the day of the Lord?

AMEN....as I have said like 10 times.....there is only 1 coming of JESUS left and ALL things must JIVE with ONE coming....not 2

WAS
IS and
IS TO COME

 

[dcontroversal]

And yet postrib rapture has no verses.

Nor is there any example of a post judgement deliverance with immediate u turn.
Lot
Moses
Baby jesus.....
All removed PREJUDGEMENT
The Jews are also ushered away most likely to petra.
But the church is clearly wiped off the face of the earth.

Sure....Just Matthew 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13....all state that AFTER the great tribulation of those days will the sun go dark, the moon will not give her light the stars shall fall from heaven and THEN AND ONLY THEN will the angels be sent to gather the ELECT from one end of the earth to the other and the uttermost parts of heaven.......pre-wrath that is...........

 

[3Scoreand10]

John sees Jesus walk in the midst of the Lampstands in Heaven (Rev 1:13). Do you not agree.

Mat 24:24 :Jesus tells us "Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh."

While Jesus was telling the Jewish people this, it leaves an insight to us.

He finishes this chapter and starts the next chapter with the parable of the ten virgins. The content tells me HE is talking about those who are not looking for His return will be left behind. As I stated the 5 foolish virgins had to get oil because they did not have enough. Foolish YES but they took their eye off of the Ball. They were not watching for Jesus to come during the time they were getting oil.

After this verse---Do you now think He was NOT trying to tell us something...????? Or Maybe this verse

Mat 24:36..."But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Again, this is true for the Rapture. The 2nd Advent of Jesus Christ, we pretty well know when He will come.... I would guess if you are still here during that time, and the armies of the world are uniting to make war against Jesus Christ. LOL So-Sad then you will have a pretty good idea as to the day(s) Jesus will come in the Clouds to earth, where every eye shall see HIM vs the Rapture, where only the true Christians will see him.

So-Sad but you get the idea........For 2000 + years people have been waiting,believing and looking for the appearance of Jesus Christ to come to the clouds and remove those from the Church Age that were in the Grace of God, both Dead and the Living. I too could go to my grave believing in those words that someday the Rapture will happen. Either way, I am still win. I will be with my LORD.

You should read Mat 24: 24 to the end of Chapter. Rem..... We through Rev and other prophecies throughout the OT know what has to happen before the 2nd advent of Jesus Christ. We DO NOT Have such scripture for the Rapture. It is Imminent--It could happen at any time.......again:

"Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh."

Oh and one other point...Read Rev. 4&5 about the song the elders sing. They will tell you who they are!

Good luck and may your days be blessed.

Blade

Again you are trying to make the Word say what it does not say.

Rev. 1:13 John was on the Isle of Patmos. He was not called up into Heaven until Rev. 4:1
He did see Jesus standing in the mist of the seven churches he was to send this letter to.
Jesus is standing in the mist of all true churches today.
What John say in Heaven was the seven Spirits of God, not the seven candle sticks.

I believe that Jesus is talking to the Disciples. Yes they are Jews, but He is addressing them not as the unbelieving nation of Israel, but as born again believers. His Church if you please.

The Word says the 5 foolish virgins had no oil, it does not say they did not have enough.
The five foolish were not allowed in because they were lost.

 

[dcontroversal]

Moses?

He was in Egypt with Israel whilst the Egyptian firstborn were killed. Israel was protected. Exodus 11
AFTER that he got them out and drowned Pharaoh (the type of AC) with his army in the Red Sea.

6 There will be loud wailing throughout Egypt—worse than there has ever been or ever will be again.7 But among the Israelites not a dog will bark at any person or animal.’ Then you will know that the Lord makes a distinction between Egypt and Israel.

Likewise Noah and his family were preserved through the flood when the rest of the world died.

AMEN....brought right through it ----->The word KEEP applied unto the faithful church at Philadelphia = protect or guard from loss or harm....NOT remove.....

 

[dcontroversal]

Except when you try to fit it postrib rapture it is an impossibility.
You need moses doing a u turn back to egypt.
( postrib rapture bizarre bandaid)
Then with noah,you need a post flood rescue.

Postrib rapture literall has no verses.
ABSOLUTELY none.

No actually....it is pre-trib that have no verses of support.......NONE...........

 

[3Scoreand10]

You're right. But, they all trimmed their lamps, meaning they were all burning at the time.

They didn't have enuff oil to make the journey to the Bridegroom's house.

I understand that to mean their commitment was very shallow.

Did you read the verses? It says they had no oil. Period, no oil.
And you do not trim a lamp while it is burning, you trim it before you light it.

 

[Ahwatukee]

AMEN....brought right through it ----->The word KEEP applied unto the faithful church at Philadelphia = protect or guard from loss or harm....NOT remove.....

"Because you have kept the word of My patient endurance, I also will keep you out ofthe hour of the trial being about to come upon the whole inhabited world, to try those dwelling upon the earth."

You are correct Tereo does mean is to guard, protect, maintain, etc., but the following words following it "ek" means "out of" or "out from" which tells how he is going to protect believers. You are just grabbing the word "keep" and not including the words "out of" to give the full meaning of how the Lord is going to protect us. Therefore, the promise is to protect all believers by keeping them out of that time of trial that is going to come upon the whole earth.

Also, though the promise is mentioned in the letter to Philadelphia, it is also to every believer in all the other churches throughout all generations who endure patiently.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Except when you try to fit it postrib rapture it is an impossibility.
You need moses doing a u turn back to egypt.
( postrib rapture bizarre bandaid)
Then with noah,you need a post flood rescue.

Postrib rapture literall has no verses.
ABSOLUTELY none.

Don't be daft. The illustration is the escape FROM Egypt. Through the way prepared for them by God.
They came OUT. Post wrath.

 

[dcontroversal]

"Because you have kept the word of My patient endurance, I also will keep you out ofthe hour of the trial being about to come upon the whole inhabited world, to try those dwelling upon the earth."

You are correct Tereo does mean is to guard, protect, maintain, etc., but the following words following it "ek" means "out of" or "out from" which tells how he is going to protect believers. You are just grabbing the word "keep" and not including the words "out of" to give the full meaning of how the Lord is going to protect us. Therefore, the promise is to protect all believers by keeping them out of that time of trial that is going to come upon the whole earth.

Also, though the promise is mentioned in the letter to Philadelphia, it is also to every believer in all the other churches throughout all generations who endure patiently.

............and what about the unfaithful................the indication is that the those who are faithful will be guarded from loss or harm during the great tribulation it does not say they will be removed.....

 

[heartofdavid]

Sure....Just Matthew 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13....all state that AFTER the great tribulation of those days will the sun go dark, the moon will not give her light the stars shall fall from heaven and THEN AND ONLY THEN will the angels be sent to gather the ELECT from one end of the earth to the other and the uttermost parts of heaven.......pre-wrath that is...........

Mat 24 says they are gathered from one end of heaven to the other.
Also states angels gather,not Jesus.
Nice try though.
Did you ever find a postjudgement deliverance verse?

 

[Bladerunner]

So Jesus comes 3x to the earth is that your story? once as a baby, once in the air and once on the day of the Lord?

YES, It is true

 

[dcontroversal]

Mat 24 says they are gathered from one end of heaven to the other.
Also states angels gather,not Jesus.
Nice try though.
Did you ever find a postjudgement deliverance verse?

And the uttermost part of the earth......and I suggest the parable of the wheat and tares...THE ANGELS are the reapers FOR CHRIST.....just raised the bar 4 aces and your pair if twos falls short!

 

[Bladerunner]

Mat 25 says the groom delayed his coming and all the virgins slept.
We are at that pause now.
His return is ONLY FOR THE WISE. Only those intimate with him.
Backsliders stay and are martyred.
The last supper is the betrothal ,or promise to the bride.
The whole deal of a rapture is bride/groom centered,not trib /enduring centered.
Postribs main error is jetisoning our verses and the bride/groom dimension.

HoD get out of Matthew......It was to, for and by the Jewish. It all relates to the coming Kingdom or the Millennium. Has nothing really to do the Church (Body of Christ). Look to Paul.