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peterT

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Laodicea said:
The man of sin, the antichrist has already been revealed, anti means in place of, the antichrist is someone in place of Christ who would look and sound like Christ, a wolf in sheep's clothing

Cannot get any plainer than that "already in the world" that was in the early church when the antichrist was already working, so the beginning of Jonathan's chart is wrong according to these texts.
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Just a few verses showing that there will be in the last days an Antichrist that shall stand up.


Daniel9:27 And HE shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:

Daniel 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
24 And HIS power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
25 And through HIS policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify [himself] in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom [are] ten kings [that] shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Daniel 7:25 And HE shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.


Jonh12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

Rv12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


Revelation 13: And there was given unto HIM a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
And HE opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
And HE exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
And HE doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
And HE causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
 
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Laodicea

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peterT said:
Just a few verses showing that there will be in the last days an Antichrist that shall stand up.


Daniel9:27 And HE shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:

Daniel 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
24 And HIS power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
25 And through HIS policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify [himself] in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom [are] ten kings [that] shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Daniel 7:25 And HE shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.


Jonh12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

Rv12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


Revelation 13: And there was given unto HIM a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
And HE opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
And HE exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
And HE doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
And HE causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
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You have still not answered my question from before, why do you use the year/day principle for the 70 weeks and not the 42 months? Please show your answer from the Bible.
 
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peterT

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Laodicea said:
You have still not answered my question from before, why do you use the year/day principle for the 70 weeks and not the 42 months? Please show your answer from the Bible.
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I answered it as best I could 3 times, as I did not understand it fully
 
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Laodicea

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peterT said:
I answered it as best I could 3 times, as I did not understand it fully
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I have not seen an answer. If you do not understbnd the year/day principle and why it applies to some pasrages and not to others then how do you know what you teach is truth concerning the times and info you put down?
 
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Laodicea

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peterT said:
I answered it as best I could 3 times, as I did not understand it fully
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I have not seen an answer. If you do not understand the year/day principle and why it is used in some passages and not others then how do you know what you teach on the end times is correct?
 
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peterT

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Laodicea said:
I have not seen an answer. If you do not understand the year/day principle and why it is used in some passages and not others then how do you know what you teach on the end times is correct?
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Still don’t understand the question
 
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Laodicea

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peterT said:
Still don’t understand the question
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If you don't understand then how do you know what you teach is truth? Do you believe it because you have researched it for yourself and prayed about it or do you believe it because some pastor who sounds good teaches it
 
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peterT

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Laodicea said:
If you don't understand then how do you know what you teach is truth? Do you believe it because you have researched it for yourself and prayed about it or do you believe it because some pastor who sounds good teaches it
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I don’t understand you and your question, I understand my doctrine fine and yes I have researched it for yourself and prayed about it.

year/day principle what is that?

day /month/ year, is the principle I use.

Biblical calendar

30 days in a month, 12 months in a year, I use this principle in ALL my doctrine where needed
 
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Laodicea

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peterT said:
I don’t understand you and your question, I understand my doctrine fine and yes I have researched it for yourself and prayed about it.

year/day principle what is that?

day /month/ year, is the principle I use.

Biblical calendar

30 days in a month, 12 months in a year, I use this principle in ALL my doctrine where needed
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Ok I will try to make this simple so you can understand.
Numbers 14:34
(34) After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.
Ezekiel 4:6
(6) And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.

So the year/day principle is this:- one day=one year

The prophecy in Daniel 9 is 70 weeks which = 490 days in total but, in prophecy it is 490 years that is why the final week is 7 years not 7 days. So do you know why it is 490 years in Daniel 9 and not 490 literal days? So then you have the 42 months as 42 literal months why do you teach it is 42 literal months instead of 42 prophetic months meaning 1260 years. I hope this is simple enough


 
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quote=Laodicea;590680]Ok I will try to make this simple so you can understand.
Numbers 14:34
(34) After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.
Ezekiel 4:6
(6) And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.

So the year/day principle is this:- one day=one year

The prophecy in Daniel 9 is 70 weeks which = 490 days in total but, in prophecy it is 490 years that is why the final week is 7 years not 7 days. So do you know why it is 490 years in Daniel 9 and not 490 literal days? So then you have the 42 months as 42 literal months why do you teach it is 42 literal months instead of 42 prophetic months meaning 1260 years. I hope this is simple enough


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[/QUOTE]Was Jesus raised on the 3rd day or 3 years later?

Did Jesus fast for 40 days or 40 years?

Was the flood 40 days or 40 years?
 
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Laodicea

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[/QUOTE]Was Jesus raised on the 3rd day or 3 years later?

Did Jesus fast for 40 days or 40 years?

Was the flood 40 days or 40 years?
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Your answer shows a lack of understanding. The 12 spies, spied the land for 40 days and because of unbelief God made them wander for 40 years, a day for a year. Some places the year/day principle is used some places it is not. Do you know why?
 
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peterT

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Laodicea said:
Ok I will try to make this simple so you can understand.
Numbers 14:34
(34) After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.
Ezekiel 4:6
(6) And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.

So the year/day principle is this:- one day=one year

The prophecy in Daniel 9 is 70 weeks which = 490 days in total but, in prophecy it is 490 years that is why the final week is 7 years not 7 days. So do you know why it is 490 years in Daniel 9 and not 490 literal days? So then you have the 42 months as 42 literal months why do you teach it is 42 literal months instead of 42 prophetic months meaning 1260 years. I hope this is simple enough


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I still don’t understand the question I don’t think Laodicea.

In Daniel9. 70 weeks = 490 years. A week being 7 years. Genesis 29:27Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years.

7 x 70 = 490. Is years.

There is nothing about days.

I still understand the question. But I will try a stab in the dark to answer it.

The final week is 7 years yes, divide that in half that gives you 42 months or 1260 days or 3 ½ years.

Where does it say one day=one year in daniel9

7 years X 70 years = 490 years.

So I am well within the biblical calendar 30 days in a month, 12 months in a year to teach 42 as literal months.
 
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The man of sin is not revealed until the middle of the tribulation,for he exalts himself above all that is called god or is worshipped,which he will do in the middle of the tribulation,and that is when the world worships him.

At the beginning of the tribulation the world acknowledges a one world government and one world religious system,which is the whore,mystery Babylon,and since the world acknowledges a one world religious system,then the man of sin will not claim to be God for the first three and one half years.

At the middle of the tribulation the man of sin claims to be God and is above all that the world calls god or what they worship,and they worship the man of sin,and they get rid of the whore,the one world religious system for they have no need of her anymore.

The old earth and old heaven will not be remade.

The Bible says that death and hell will be cast in to the lake of fire.

The Bible says that hell is in the lower parts of the earth,so the earth will be cast in to the lake of fire,and the heavens will melt with fervent heat.

God will make a new heaven and a new earth wherein dwells righteousness,where sin has never been and sin will never be.
 
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peterT

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mpaper345 said:
The man of sin is not revealed until the middle of the tribulation,for he exalts himself above all that is called god or is worshipped,which he will do in the middle of the tribulation,and that is when the world worships him.

At the beginning of the tribulation the world acknowledges a one world government and one world religious system,which is the whore,mystery Babylon,and since the world acknowledges a one world religious system,then the man of sin will not claim to be God for the first three and one half years.

At the middle of the tribulation the man of sin claims to be God and is above all that the world calls god or what they worship,and they worship the man of sin,and they get rid of the whore,the one world religious system for they have no need of her anymore.

The old earth and old heaven will not be remade.

The Bible says that death and hell will be cast in to the lake of fire.

The Bible says that hell is in the lower parts of the earth,so the earth will be cast in to the lake of fire,and the heavens will melt with fervent heat.

God will make a new heaven and a new earth wherein dwells righteousness,where sin has never been and sin will never be.
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I think you might find that it is a seven year period with 3 ½ years of great tribulation as Jesus said In

Matt24 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
 
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crissy17

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jonathanbchristian said:
This thought made me think of the Rapture; even if you are not alive you will be part of the Rapture because the dead in Christ shall rise first. There is no way for a born again person to not be part of the Rapture.
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As for the rapture,we believe that at the end time,human souls will "meet the lord in the air" as what the 1 Thes 4:17 says After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
But we don't believe that this will take place in order to spare the elect from the tribulation.Instead,we believe that this meeting will take place between God and evry soul that has ever lived and it will be for the purpose of the final judgement.In this way everyone will know why some souls received heaven and others hell and the mercy and justice of god will be vindicated.
 
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peterT

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Laodicea said:
Ok I will try to make this simple so you can understand.
Numbers 14:34
(34) After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.
Ezekiel 4:6
(6) And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.

So the year/day principle is this:- one day=one year
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Yes now I get the question.

No I don’t believe one day is a year, and I don’t use that principal and never will.

I have being using this principal with Daniel 9. Genesis 29:27Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years.

But it looks like we have both come to the same conclusion of 490 years. And the last week of 7 years. The only difference between us is I say HE in Daniel 9:27 is the Antichrist but you can’t say that because you don’t believe there is a Antichrist.
 
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Laodicea

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peterT said:
Yes now I get the question.

No I don’t believe one day is a year, and I don’t use that principal and never will.

I have being using this principal with Daniel 9. Genesis 29:27Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years.

But it looks like we have both come to the same conclusion of 490 years. And the last week of 7 years. The only difference between us is I say HE in Daniel 9:27 is the Antichrist but you can’t say that because you don’t believe there is a Antichrist.
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Ok since you say you finally got it at last now can you explain why some passages use the year/day principle and others don't?
 
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peterT

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Laodicea said:
Ok since you say you finally got it at last now can you explain why some passages use the year/day principle and others don't?
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like i said i dont use year/day principle
 
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