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J
i see nothing but freedom (US) being destroyed the last 20 plus years. how much have the elite made off Iraq, billions and billions, and it was made off the lives of millions. and the entire war was based on weapons that did not exist. i dont like being lied to. a leader that stands up and lies to entire nation is a scumbag.
Oh gee wiz. Progressive thought on a Christian board. We live in a time of Muslim terrorism. They adhere to the Koran. Surah 9 especially verse 5.
Quran in English - Clear and Easy to Read, with Audio
Quran surah 9 1-16
1. A declaration of immunity from God and His Messenger to the polytheists with whom you had made a treaty.
2. So travel the land for four months, and know that you cannot escape God, and that God will disgrace the disbelievers.
3. And a proclamation from God and His Messenger to the people on the day of the Greater Pilgrimage, that God has disowned the polytheists, and so did His Messenger. If you repent, it will be better for you. But if you turn away, know that you cannot escape God. And announce to those who disbelieve a painful punishment.
4. Except for those among the polytheists with whom you had made a treaty, and did not violate any of its terms, nor aided anyone against you. So fulfill the treaty with them to the end of its term. God loves the righteous.
5. When the Sacred Months have passed, kill the polytheists wherever you find them. And capture them, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayers, and pay the alms, then let them go their way. God is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.
6. And if anyone of the polytheists asks you for protection, give him protection so that he may hear the Word of God; then escort him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.
7. How can there be a treaty with the polytheists on the part of God and His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at the Sacred Mosque? As long as they are upright with you, be upright with them. God loves the pious.
8. How? Whenever they overcome you, they respect neither kinship nor treaty with you. They satisfy you with lip service, but their hearts refuse, and most of them are immoral.
9. They traded away God's revelations for a cheap price, so they barred others from His path. How evil is what they did.
10. Towards a believer they respect neither kinship nor treaty. These are the transgressors.
11. But if they repent, and perform the prayers, and give the obligatory charity, then they are your brethren in faith. We detail the revelations for a people who know.
12. But if they violate their oaths after their pledge, and attack your religion, then fight the leaders of disbelief—they have no faith—so that they may desist.
13. Will you not fight a people who violated their oaths, and planned to exile the Messenger, and initiated hostilities against you? Do you fear them? It is God you should fear, if you are believers.
14. Fight them. God will punish them at your hands, and humiliate them, and help you against them, and heal the hearts of a believing people.
15. And He will remove the anger of their hearts. God redeems whomever He wills. God is Knowledgeable and Wise.
16. Or do you think that you will be left alone, without God identifying which of you will strive, and take no supporters apart from God, His Messenger, and the believers? God is well Aware of what you do.
Note: Muslims believe Christians are polytheists because of the belief in the trinity.
Quran in English - Clear and Easy to Read, with Audio
Quran surah 9 1-16
1. A declaration of immunity from God and His Messenger to the polytheists with whom you had made a treaty.
2. So travel the land for four months, and know that you cannot escape God, and that God will disgrace the disbelievers.
3. And a proclamation from God and His Messenger to the people on the day of the Greater Pilgrimage, that God has disowned the polytheists, and so did His Messenger. If you repent, it will be better for you. But if you turn away, know that you cannot escape God. And announce to those who disbelieve a painful punishment.
4. Except for those among the polytheists with whom you had made a treaty, and did not violate any of its terms, nor aided anyone against you. So fulfill the treaty with them to the end of its term. God loves the righteous.
5. When the Sacred Months have passed, kill the polytheists wherever you find them. And capture them, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayers, and pay the alms, then let them go their way. God is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.
6. And if anyone of the polytheists asks you for protection, give him protection so that he may hear the Word of God; then escort him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.
7. How can there be a treaty with the polytheists on the part of God and His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at the Sacred Mosque? As long as they are upright with you, be upright with them. God loves the pious.
8. How? Whenever they overcome you, they respect neither kinship nor treaty with you. They satisfy you with lip service, but their hearts refuse, and most of them are immoral.
9. They traded away God's revelations for a cheap price, so they barred others from His path. How evil is what they did.
10. Towards a believer they respect neither kinship nor treaty. These are the transgressors.
11. But if they repent, and perform the prayers, and give the obligatory charity, then they are your brethren in faith. We detail the revelations for a people who know.
12. But if they violate their oaths after their pledge, and attack your religion, then fight the leaders of disbelief—they have no faith—so that they may desist.
13. Will you not fight a people who violated their oaths, and planned to exile the Messenger, and initiated hostilities against you? Do you fear them? It is God you should fear, if you are believers.
14. Fight them. God will punish them at your hands, and humiliate them, and help you against them, and heal the hearts of a believing people.
15. And He will remove the anger of their hearts. God redeems whomever He wills. God is Knowledgeable and Wise.
16. Or do you think that you will be left alone, without God identifying which of you will strive, and take no supporters apart from God, His Messenger, and the believers? God is well Aware of what you do.
Note: Muslims believe Christians are polytheists because of the belief in the trinity.
Keep in mind that archaeology proves the Bible and disproves the Koran and other religious documents. Book of Mormon for example. Now that it has been proved not compliant with archaeology they have changed from literally happening to just being good lessons. Originally they pushed for archaeologists to prove the Book of Mormon. It failed. The Bible is unique in this regard. Sodom and Jericho are two examples of miraculous happenings.
Sodom digs have it blasted by a pyroclastic blast of massive temperatures. The lower part of the city was turned into dust and the upper part had the upper part of the buildings turned into dust. Just like the Bible stated.
Jericho had its inner massive wall fall outward covering the smooth ramp and the outer smaller wall with rubble allowing people to walk into the city. The city was burned and the harvest just completed was left alone along with the valuables of the people living there who were killed and the city burned. Just like the Bible stated.
Archaeology proves the Bible when digs at sites are completed.
Sodom digs have it blasted by a pyroclastic blast of massive temperatures. The lower part of the city was turned into dust and the upper part had the upper part of the buildings turned into dust. Just like the Bible stated.
Jericho had its inner massive wall fall outward covering the smooth ramp and the outer smaller wall with rubble allowing people to walk into the city. The city was burned and the harvest just completed was left alone along with the valuables of the people living there who were killed and the city burned. Just like the Bible stated.
Archaeology proves the Bible when digs at sites are completed.
J
you cant just go and take the land, that doesnt look so good, you take everything of economic value and put a puppet leader in place. why is the US so heavily involved in meddling in every latin america government, all that US influence yet they are poor as dirt. explain that?
not really i just choose to read and search for truth rather than believe everything i hear on tv.
not really i just choose to read and search for truth rather than believe everything i hear on tv.
Jaybird88
Verses having Father, Son, and Holy Spirit
Matthew 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
2 Corinthians 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.
This is what the Bible teaches about the trinity. Are you claiming this makes Christians polytheists?? If so you ignore the concept of the trinity. Three personages in one. John 1:1 to 16 demonstrates God and Jesus are one. John 4 thru 6 demonstrates God and the Spirit are one. How does this make God polytheistic? One God not three. Your assertions are like what the Muslims teach.
Verses having Father, Son, and Holy Spirit
Matthew 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
2 Corinthians 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.
This is what the Bible teaches about the trinity. Are you claiming this makes Christians polytheists?? If so you ignore the concept of the trinity. Three personages in one. John 1:1 to 16 demonstrates God and Jesus are one. John 4 thru 6 demonstrates God and the Spirit are one. How does this make God polytheistic? One God not three. Your assertions are like what the Muslims teach.
Your search for the truth sounds like the progressive movement in the country. I enjoy debating them on political forums. This is a Christian forum not a political one. If I let fly on this board how I respond on political ones I would be banned. That should let you understand how I feel about your political views. Keep them to yourself on a Christian forum.
I don't use the MSM because of it's progressive political bias. I use the internet to ferret out the facts.
I don't use the MSM because of it's progressive political bias. I use the internet to ferret out the facts.
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Welcome Andy, and you've made a good start. What went above your head should be brought out as some questions, and I'm you sure will receive appropriate answers. The reason for the four Gospels is to present Christ in His four different aspects. However they can also be harmonized. Ultimately reading the Gospels is meant to generate faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and His finished work of redemption.
Your anti American views are noted. What were we supposed to do after the Twin Towers were brought down by Muslim terrorists?? Ignore it?? Over 3,000 dead. That was a blatant act of war. But you think as a country we should have ignored it. Go back to the drawing board and try again.
Your assertion about what a lot of Christians think about the trinity is bogus.
Your assertion about what a lot of Christians think about the trinity is bogus.
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