Nicene Creed, Who belives this?

[Bryancampbell]

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
Maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through Him all things were made.


For us and for our salvation
He came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
He was born of the virgin mary,
and was made man.
For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
He suffered death and was buried.
On the third day He rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
He ascended into heaven
and is now seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and His kingdom will have no end.


We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son, He is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy Church, the body of Christ.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look forward to the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

 

[crossnote]

I believe it as far as it goes. There could have for example been mention of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the believer, and justification by faith.

 

[Bryancampbell]

I believe it as far as it goes. There could have for example been mention of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the believer, and justification by faith.

You're right, although it does say for our salvation..., but it should include faith and the indwelling of the Spirit

 

[Hoffco]

I do believe the Nicene creed, ONLY, if I can interpret it from the Bible. It sounds very biblical, but as,many verses on Jesus and the Father, it is written very carelessly. Any heretic ,can read into it ,the eternalality of the man Jesus. The man , Jesus had his beginning in the womb of Mary , he was not eternally begotten of the Father. The Father did not begat him in Mary's womb, it was the role, duty of the Holy Spirit, assigned by the Father, to impregnate Mary. The eternal GOD, in the person of the eternal Son of God, came into the womb of Mary. Talking as a limited man, who had to learnand grow as any other man, yet without sin, Jesus said, as a perfect man, "My Father is greater than I" . Even as the eternal "Word", "Son","God", He would, could, say , "MY Father is Greater than I" because "My Holy Father" is the BOSS. YES ,the Father created all things, but thru the eternal Son. Our friend , josh, can ,and does, look at the Nicene creed as proof of his heresy, that Jesus was made of the Father before time and then He created the earth for the Father. as do the J.w.'s . But josh, will not admit to the eternality of Jesus, to josh,and to many others, Jesus is a created god, less than the Father. I will read and Check out the "Apostle's Creed" and see if it is better. more later, love to all, Hoffco

 

[Bryancampbell]

I do believe the Nicene creed, ONLY, if I can interpret it from the Bible. It sounds very biblical, but as,many verses on Jesus and the Father, it is written very carelessly. Any heretic ,can read into it ,the eternalality of the man Jesus. The man , Jesus had his beginning in the womb of Mary , he was not eternally begotten of the Father. The Father did not begat him in Mary's womb, it was the role, duty of the Holy Spirit, assigned by the Father, to impregnate Mary. The eternal GOD, in the person of the eternal Son of God, came into the womb of Mary. Talking as a limited man, who had to learnand grow as any other man, yet without sin, Jesus said, as a perfect man, "My Father is greater than I" . Even as the eternal "Word", "Son","God", He would, could, say , "MY Father is Greater than I" because "My Holy Father" is the BOSS. YES ,the Father created all things, but thru the eternal Son. Our friend , josh, can ,and does, look at the Nicene creed as proof of his heresy, that Jesus was made of the Father before time and then He created the earth for the Father. as do the J.w.'s . But josh, will not admit to the eternality of Jesus, to josh,and to many others, Jesus is a created god, less than the Father. I will read and Check out the "Apostle's Creed" and see if it is better. more later, love to all, Hoffco

Whoa brother, you went diagonal in so many turns. Josh is a believer who doesn't have to be mentioned through this. I think Josh was saying was the Word is eternal, no beginning, but because it came in the flesh, it had a beginning on earth, but the Word didn't. (You can correct me Josh)

 

[crossnote]

I do believe the Nicene creed, ONLY, if I can interpret it from the Bible. It sounds very biblical, but as,many verses on Jesus and the Father, it is written very carelessly. Any heretic ,can read into it ,the eternalality of the man Jesus. The man , Jesus had his beginning in the womb of Mary , he was not eternally begotten of the Father. The Father did not begat him in Mary's womb, it was the role, duty of the Holy Spirit, assigned by the Father, to impregnate Mary. The eternal GOD, in the person of the eternal Son of God, came into the womb of Mary. Talking as a limited man, who had to learnand grow as any other man, yet without sin, Jesus said, as a perfect man, "My Father is greater than I" . Even as the eternal "Word", "Son","God", He would, could, say , "MY Father is Greater than I" because "My Holy Father" is the BOSS. YES ,the Father created all things, but thru the eternal Son. Our friend , josh, can ,and does, look at the Nicene creed as proof of his heresy, that Jesus was made of the Father before time and then He created the earth for the Father. as do the J.w.'s . But josh, will not admit to the eternality of Jesus, to josh,and to many others, Jesus is a created god, less than the Father. I will read and Check out the "Apostle's Creed" and see if it is better. more later, love to all, Hoffco

I believe ''eternally begotten'' has little to do with the Incarnation and lots to do with His eternal Sonship, but yes, I can see where it can be confusing.

 

[Hoffco]

As our friend has said, it can be confusing" Our friend josh is very strong and can take the heat of a good debate. I find the Apostles Creed no better than the Nicene Creed. The first Christian creed was ,is the Athanasian Creed . It was the main creed for the first 600 yrs. Would some one, who has the know how, please print it out for us to study. This is perfectly as I believe. Love to all, Hoffco

 

[directline2iam]

Being brought up Lutheran and learning the Creed in slightly older fashioned words than Bryancampbell's, but having the same meaning.

The Creed is What we believe about God and man in a short condensed form which is a basic biblical understanding of His Word from before the beginning of creation till our future life with God in heaven and is confessed to God.

We have other articles of confession also.

As we grow from a child to an adult in the nurture and admonition of the Lord, we learn the meaning of the Creed and how it fits with God's Word. We don't expect a non believer to understand, but love the opportunity to expound on it.

 

[phil36]

The Nicene creed has been affirmed (by all true Christians) as concluded by scripture, it is not scripture, however its truth is from scripture.

The Nicene creed is not a full statement of faith, for it was written to defend against the Arian heresy at the time (an this heresy is still alive and well).

As Christians we still affirm it as a truthful statement.

 

[directline2iam]

As our friend has said, it can be confusing" Our friend josh is very strong and can take the heat of a good debate. I find the Apostles Creed no better than the Nicene Creed. The first Christian creed was ,is the Athanasian Creed . It was the main creed for the first 600 yrs. Would some one, who has the know how, please print it out for us to study. This is perfectly as I believe. Love to all, Hoffco

Here you go:
[h=1]ATHANASIAN CREED[/h]
Whoever desires to be saved should above all hold to the catholic faith.
Anyone who does not keep it whole and unbroken will doubtless perish eternally.
Now this is the catholic faith:
That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity,
neither blending their persons
nor dividing their essence.
For the person of the Father is a distinct person,
the person of the Son is another,
and that of the Holy Spirit still another.
But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one,
their glory equal, their majesty coeternal.
What quality the Father has, the Son has, and the Holy Spirit has.
The Father is uncreated,
the Son is uncreated,
the Holy Spirit is uncreated.
The Father is immeasurable,
the Son is immeasurable,
the Holy Spirit is immeasurable.
The Father is eternal,
the Son is eternal,
the Holy Spirit is eternal.
And yet there are not three eternal beings;
there is but one eternal being.
So too there are not three uncreated or immeasurable beings;
there is but one uncreated and immeasurable being.
Similarly, the Father is almighty,
the Son is almighty,
the Holy Spirit is almighty.
Yet there are not three almighty beings;
there is but one almighty being.
Thus the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.
Thus the Father is Lord,
the Son is Lord,
the Holy Spirit is Lord.
Yet there are not three lords;
there is but one Lord.
Just as Christian truth compels us
to confess each person individually
as both God and Lord,
so catholic religion forbids us
to say that there are three gods or lords.
The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten from anyone.
The Son was neither made nor created;
he was begotten from the Father alone.
The Holy Spirit was neither made nor created nor begotten;
he proceeds from the Father and the Son.
Accordingly there is one Father, not three fathers;
there is one Son, not three sons;
there is one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits.
Nothing in this trinity is before or after,
nothing is greater or smaller;
in their entirety the three persons
are coeternal and coequal with each other.
So in everything, as was said earlier,
we must worship their trinity in their unity
and their unity in their trinity.
Anyone then who desires to be saved
should think thus about the trinity.
But it is necessary for eternal salvation
that one also believe in the incarnation
of our Lord Jesus Christ faithfully.
Now this is the true faith:
That we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son,
is both God and human, equally.
He is God from the essence of the Father,
begotten before time;
and he is human from the essence of his mother,
born in time;
completely God, completely human,
with a rational soul and human flesh;
equal to the Father as regards divinity,
less than the Father as regards humanity.
Although he is God and human,
yet Christ is not two, but one.
He is one, however,
not by his divinity being turned into flesh,
but by God's taking humanity to himself.
He is one,
certainly not by the blending of his essence,
but by the unity of his person.
For just as one human is both rational soul and flesh,
so too the one Christ is both God and human.
He suffered for our salvation;
he descended to hell;
he arose from the dead;
he ascended to heaven;
he is seated at the Father's right hand;
from there he will come to judge the living and the dead.
At his coming all people will arise bodily
and give an accounting of their own deeds.
Those who have done good will enter eternal life,
and those who have done evil will enter eternal fire.
This is the catholic faith:
one cannot be saved without believing it firmly and faithfully.








[h=2]BACKGROUND[/h]This creed is named after Athanasius (A.D. 293-373), the champion of orthodoxy against Arian attacks on the doctrine of the trinity. Although Athanasius did not write this creed and it is improperly named after him, the name persists because until the seventeenth century it was commonly ascribed to him. It is not from Greek (Eastern), but from Latin (Western) origin, and is not recognized by the Eastern Orthodox Church today. Apart from the opening and closing sentences, this creed consists of two parts, the first setting forth the orthodox doctrine of the trinity, and the second dealing chiefly with the incarnation and the two-natures doctrine.

 

[directline2iam]

And the Apostles Creed:

[h=1]APOSTLES' CREED[/h]
I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit
and born of the virgin Mary.
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
he descended to hell.
The third day he rose again from the dead.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty.
From there he will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic* church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.
*that is, the true Christian church of all times and all places








[h=2]BACKGROUND[/h]This creed is called the Apostles' Creed not because it was produced by the apostles themselves but because it contains a brief summary of their teachings. It sets forth their doctrine "in sublime simplicity, in unsurpassable brevity, in beautiful order, and with liturgical solemnity." In its present form it is dated no later than the fourth century. More than any other Christian creed, it may justly be called an ecumenical symbol of faith.

 

[directline2iam]

[h=2]BACKGROUND[/h]The Nicene Creed, also called the Nicaeno-Constantinopolitan Creed, is a statement of the orthodox faith of the early Christian church in opposition to certain heresies, especially Arianism. These heresies, which disturbed the church during the fourth century, concerned the doctrine of the trinity and of the person of Christ. Both the Greek (Eastern) and the Latin (Western) church held this creed in honor, though with one important difference: the Western church insisted on the inclusion of the phrase "and the Son" (known as the "filioque") in the article on the procession of the Holy Spirit; this phrase still is repudiated by the Eastern Orthodox church. In its present form this creed goes back partially to the Council of Nicea (A.D. 325) with additions by the Council of Constantinople (A.D. 381). It was accepted in its present form at the Council of Chalcedon in 451, but the "filioque" phrase was not added until 589. However, the creed is in substance an accurate and majestic formulation of the Nicene faith.

 

[Bryancampbell]

BACKGROUND

The Nicene Creed, also called the Nicaeno-Constantinopolitan Creed, is a statement of the orthodox faith of the early Christian church in opposition to certain heresies, especially Arianism. These heresies, which disturbed the church during the fourth century, concerned the doctrine of the trinity and of the person of Christ. Both the Greek (Eastern) and the Latin (Western) church held this creed in honor, though with one important difference: the Western church insisted on the inclusion of the phrase "and the Son" (known as the "filioque") in the article on the procession of the Holy Spirit; this phrase still is repudiated by the Eastern Orthodox church. In its present form this creed goes back partially to the Council of Nicea (A.D. 325) with additions by the Council of Constantinople (A.D. 381). It was accepted in its present form at the Council of Chalcedon in 451, but the "filioque" phrase was not added until 589. However, the creed is in substance an accurate and majestic formulation of the Nicene faith.

Interesting

 

[RedTent]

The Council at Nicaea has much to do with our church today. 300 years had gone by since Christ was crucified, and there wasn't a center to unify Christian belief so there were many ideas that men added to scripture. It took about 220 men 3 years to finish the council. The Creed, defining God, was a major work with effects reaching us to this day.

There were other results of the council that are hidden from us, but every Christian today is influenced by them.

The council was called by a pagan emperor of Rome who decided to make the Christian religion the state religion, but found that many men had different ideas of what it meant to be Christian. The main disagreement had to do with the divinity of Christ. They gave us the wonderful Nicene Creed.

They also gave us the idea that all relationship between how God told the Jews to worship and how people who accept Christ as savior must be cut, completely. The emperor, Constantine, didn't interfere with the council except to sometimes help cool tempers, but he made it clear he did not want anything to do with the Jews. Christianity was to be a brand new religion. The first council got rid of Passover, the second one 39 years later made Saturday Sabbath illegal. Rome made many laws against Jews, and church councils for hundreds of years after followed this line of thinking.

 

[jb]

You can find the different creeds in This study (Section I) along with info surrounding them...

Yahweh Shalom...

 

[silas42]

And the Apostles Creed:

APOSTLES' CREED


I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit
and born of the virgin Mary.
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
he descended to hell.
The third day he rose again from the dead.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty.
From there he will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic* church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.
*that is, the true Christian church of all times and all places








BACKGROUND

This creed is called the Apostles' Creed not because it was produced by the apostles themselves but because it contains a brief summary of their teachings. It sets forth their doctrine "in sublime simplicity, in unsurpassable brevity, in beautiful order, and with liturgical solemnity." In its present form it is dated no later than the fourth century. More than any other Christian creed, it may justly be called an ecumenical symbol of faith.

Wonderful creed, and as you say, it contains a brief summary of what the Apostles taught, and sets forth their doctrine