"Not by works" - false!

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I think we all need to take a step back and remember that we are brothers and sisters in Christ.

I feel that our disagreements are beginning to verge on personal attacks and I'd like to encourage each of us to take a step back and pray for eachother as well as ourselves.

I also believe that some of the commenters on this thread need to look beyond the thread title and consider deeply what is being said...

This is what I believe, and why I started this thread:

We are reconciled with God through belief in our Lord Jesus Christ.

We are told to
1. Have faith in Jesus, AND
2. Do our best to stop sinning and rebelling against God

John 14:15
"If you live me, keep my commandments".

We will never be able to stop sinning because of our imperfect nature and so we will never be able to reach the standard of God through any works.
However our faith in Jesus makes up for this shortfall.

BUT, the point of this thread is that if we do not consciously turn away from sin and do our best to stop rebelling against God once we accept Jesus into our lives, Jesus' sacrifice will not cover those sins:

Hebrews 10:26
"Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins".
@dcontroversal see the quote above
 
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It's not really worth it to me to argue with them, especially when you've been clear to your meaning, offer up some biblical analysis and then they will, well, lie about what you said.

I've recently studied this word "keep" and what Christ meant, it's a wonderful thing to know by the way. It isn't about being under law, but being free in Christ.

But I digress, I'm not interested in dialog with that type of Christian or response, so, I'm going to bow out and ignore any further responses. Not "put on ignore" just ignore in general.

Have fun!
Yes I'm getting bored of it as well.

These people are hung up on the title of the thread and are making no effort to understand what is being said.

I'm not going to go round in circles with them any longer either.
 
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I think we all need to take a step back and remember that we are brothers and sisters in Christ.

I feel that our disagreements are beginning to verge on personal attacks and I'd like to encourage each of us to take a step back and pray for eachother as well as ourselves.

I also believe that some of the commenters on this thread need to look beyond the thread title and consider deeply what is being said...

This is what I believe, and why I started this thread:

We are reconciled with God through belief in our Lord Jesus Christ.

We are told to
1. Have faith in Jesus, AND
2. Do our best to stop sinning and rebelling against God

John 14:15
"If you live me, keep my commandments".

We will never be able to stop sinning because of our imperfect nature and so we will never be able to reach the standard of God through any works.
However our faith in Jesus makes up for this shortfall.

BUT, the point of this thread is that if we do not consciously turn away from sin and do our best to stop rebelling against God once we accept Jesus into our lives, Jesus' sacrifice will not cover those sins:

Hebrews 10:26
"Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins".
And the last two statements, context and other verses prove your approach is flawed migo.....

Unto the saved he said.....WHERE sin abounds, grace ABOUNDS the more

It cannot be both.....a study of Hebrews in Context and the CONTEXT of the particular VERSE you are citing is aimed SQUARELY at forsaking the ASSEMBLY, COUNTING THE BLOOD OF JESUS a COMMON ordinary BASE THING and trampling the SON OF GOD under foot by said belief!

This is why MANY miss the truth..they yank a verse, hang it on their personal view, deny, reject or fail to understand the context and then state or believe something incorrect.
 
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Yes I'm getting bored of it as well.

These people are hung up on the title of the thread and are making no effort to understand what is being said.

I'm not going to go round in circles with them any longer either.
I know what you are pushing in this thread.... own up to it at least!!

BUT, the point of this thread is that if we do not consciously turn away from sin and do our best to stop rebelling against God once we accept Jesus into our lives, Jesus' sacrifice will not cover those sins:
ALL sin dealt with at the cross and you are in error here ........and no born again believer should support this, it is absolutely contrary to the Gospel
 
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I did read the above quote and what you are yet missing, but will find out soon enough is that the person you are coddling, agreeing with will turn on a dime the first time you disagree with his all knowing mind and then will mouth to no end....hence why many have him ignore and or refuse to engage him.....cut and paste this for a future reference!
 
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And the last two statements, context and other verses prove your approach is flawed migo.....

Unto the saved he said.....WHERE sin abounds, grace ABOUNDS the more

It cannot be both.....a study of Hebrews in Context and the CONTEXT of the particular VERSE you are citing is aimed SQUARELY at forsaking the ASSEMBLY, COUNTING THE BLOOD OF JESUS a COMMON ordinary BASE THING and trampling the SON OF GOD under foot by said belief!

This is why MANY miss the truth..they yank a verse, hang it on their personal view, deny, reject or fail to understand the context and then state or believe something incorrect.
So you're saying that Christians are not told to keep God's commandments?

John 14:15
"If you love me, keep my commandments"
 
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that’s your problem. You focus on one sin. Paul said if you keep the whole law yet fail in just one point your guilty
stop thinking of Murder and think of your own sins


Janes spoke to people who claimed to have faith but had no work HE TOLD them their faith was dead. He did not tell you to play God and judge them
That should say james said if you keep,The Whole law not paul..sorry doing yard work in 90 degree heat.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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They are, put simply, lazy Christians.

They want salvation, but they don't want to have to worry about keeping God's commandments because that's too difficult!

They're not true followers of Jesus, they're just part of his fan club.

Matthew 7:21
"Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter".
Lol

you can read minds huh?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Explain Hebrews 10:26:

"Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins"
In the law

this is correct

you forget, hebrews is telling us about the law and how things were.. if we go to law and deliberately sin, there is no more sacrifice, amen
 
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I know what you are pushing in this thread.... own up to it at least!!



ALL sin dealt with at the cross and you are in error here ........and no born again believer should support this, it is absolutely contrary to the Gospel
It blows my mind that supposed believers deny that JESUS paid the sin debt of the WHOLE WORLD at the cross and or like the Calvin worshippers will say it is only for those that believe....EVEN THOUGH it says the sins of the WHOLE WORLD.......YES WE know that the blood IS ONLY APPLIED BY FAITHand that if the blood is not applied there is no remission of sins......!!
 
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I know what you are pushing in this thread.... own up to it at least!!



ALL sin dealt with at the cross and you are in error here ........and no born again believer should support this, it is absolutely contrary to the Gospel
No, not all sin is dealt with at the cross.
This is only true for people who follow Christ.

Are you saying that those who choose not to follow Jesus also attain salvation?

Inexact use of language leads to the utterance of sweeping statements that are not true.
 
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No, not all sin is dealt with at the cross.
This is only true for people who follow Christ.

Are you saying that those who choose not to follow Jesus also attain salvation?

Inexact use of language leads to the utterance of sweeping statements that are not true.
Wonder if the Calvinist agrees with this.....?????
 
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No, not all sin is dealt with at the cross.
This is only true for people who follow Christ.

Are you saying that those who choose not to follow Jesus also attain salvation?

Inexact use of language leads to the utterance of sweeping statements that are not true.
So your saying we must do the work of following christ to be saved

instead of getting saved and letting Christ mold us into his likeness :rolleyes:
 
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No, not all sin is dealt with at the cross.
This is only true for people who follow Christ.

Are you saying that those who choose not to follow Jesus also attain salvation?

Inexact use of language leads to the utterance of sweeping statements that are not true.
Sorry, this should say that everybody has the opportunity to deal with all of their sin through Jesus.
In order to not be judged on one's sins, one must follow Jesus.

People who don't follow Jesus will be judged on their sins - right or wrong?

If people who do not follow Jesus are judged on their sins, then how are their sins dealt with at the cross.

Could I kindly ask you to exercise more exacting language when you speak about Jesus and salvation.
 
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It got this way in the Westbrook Baptist thread..
Yeah....funny thing....."THE CALVINIST" is mouthing us, but is he directing the same style of post at the all knowing CALVINIST....nope....two Greek words together describe that type of action.....and THE CALVINIST is agreeing with one thay says all sin was not dealt with at the cross....speaks volumes!
 
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No

nothing you said above has any value or doctrinal truth attached and the bible is clear....It is faith ALONE that saves a man <- get that through your working for head....you cannot get any more saved than saved by faith and what part of the following do you not grasp

Not of WORKS LEST ANY MAN SHOHLD BOAST

NOT by works of righteousness which we have DONE

HE THAT BELIEVES ON THE Son IS HAVING EVERYLASTING life

and NO ONE except JESUS has every or will ever KEEP the law and or commandments amd exactly WHY HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS is IMPUTED BY FAITH <- FAITH PAL.....NOT WORKS OR SOME FANTASY land law commandment keeping drivel!
the "alone" part was added later to make the doctrine work. Luther was a good man but his hatred for Catholics clouded his judgment.