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GodsGrace101

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Also, no salvation unless one bends the knee to the Pope.

In 1302 Pope Boniface said this in a letter to the Catholic Church: "Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam (Rome: 1302).

Chew on that too, Fran.
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calibob

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Okay!

CCC #1129 "The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation. "

Do evangelical Christians partake of the seven sacraments of the RCC? Do Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, or the followers of any other religion partake of the sacraments of the RCC?

Without confession, mass, penance, etc. (reconciliation) no one can get their sins forgiven.

Which means, no salvation.
The sacraments' save no one! That's propaganda. Only Jesus saves!
 

Goodnewsman

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NOTE FROM ADMIN: this user was banned for this post
I have spent the last several hours praying about this so what I say I do not say lightly. I have never done anything like this before especially online, but I must obey what I feel in my heart. I have already been told that many of you will disagree and laugh at me..... But again I don't care that is a price I'm willing to pay.

I Speak today to anyone who has disagreed with me over the last several days but especially to
dictator Decon......E G or eternally grateful........... BUDMAN......VCO.....HV something,......... The fact that you could not sense that I was led here to help you............just like Aquila and Priscilla helped Apollo's and showed him the way more perfectly, says a lot to me about your spiritual condition you have ears but you will not hear me. Anyone reading my post should have felt something in their heart and said yes, yes this too is truth. But not you, you have Harden your heart and stiffened your necks. Henceforth I have been told to demand... Yea command, everyone who stands in disagreement with me...... Do not ever address me on this forum any longer..... I hate to do this I don't want to do this, but I must!! do not ever talk to me again. You have had your time to learn but you have refused. From this day forward.......I have been told to Warn all of you that disagree with me that even if you try to address me on this form again that the isolation, devastation and destruction found in the book of Naomi 3: 2 -12 will then be placed upon your heads and it will soon become your isolation desolation and destruction....... Laugh..... Make fun of me but you have been warned!
 

Budman

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If a catholic dies without being baptized...does he go to hell ? (an adult convert)
Trick question - without baptism one cannot be a Catholic. They believe without the sacrament of baptism you can't be saved.

Remember the "sacraments are necessary for salvation" post? :D:D
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I agree...This is how I started out , one day saved , next day lost , especially where I was a drinker , I lived in fear...
But then the Word of God spoke , and reassured me , the LORD said to trust in Him , rely on Him , and not my own understanding...
To this day , Ii cannot remember the last time I had a drink , Jesus said this is the day the LORD has made , He said one day at a time , not to worry about tomorrow...
I trust ,lean and rely on Him alone , if it was down to me , I believe I would be dead before my time...
All the glory to God Amen...xox...
Amen, Entering gods rest!
 

Budman

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The fact that you could not sense that I was led here to help you............just like Aquila and Priscilla helped Apollo's and showed him the way more perfectly, says a lot to me about your spiritual condition you have ears but you will not hear me. Anyone reading my post should have felt something in their heart and said yes, yes this too is truth.

Well, it's official - he's gone completely off the rails.
 

FollowHisSteps

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Yep. Because you're a hypocrite.
Bud, you do not know what you are talking about.

To be a hypocrite one has to contradict what one is saying.
I am not claiming to be sinless, ie to walk from now to meet Jesus without the possibility of
stumbling. I cannot say this because I am mortal, and in His hands.

I can say He has changed my heart and life, and that I can walk in the Holy Spirit and know love
and truth flowing through me.

And my heart is my life.

Ofcourse without knowing me, other than what I write here, you are able to say I am a hypocrite.
I cannot answer such an accusation, because it is just slander. But thank you for the consideration
to think me worthy of slander. I must be sharing something that challenges you enough to have
to slander it.

The trouble is slander is a sin and so is judging your brother in Christ.
But then to someone who does not desire to be perfect, one sin is just the same as another, and
being righteous means nothing, because God brings sinning believers straight into heaven.

And this is the folly of such a position. I do not even have to explain it, because you do not care,
and so your state is already sealed. Dear Lord, break through the arrogance of sinners to see
the destruction they bring upon themselves and all who listen and see and approve of such behaviour.
Just as a woman who is not phased by massacres and murders, and thinks normal society will just
give them protection and safety, so those who claim to know your word yet sin so openly, are so lost
and without hope. Dear Lord have mercy on us I pray and send your Spirit to bring us your light of
truth and love, in Jesus Christs Name, Amen.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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In the end, you're a coward Fran. You don't have the moral fortitude to admit you were wrong. Tells us all a lot about your character.

Want to make me eat my words? Post a link from an official Catholic source that says the decrees of the Council of Trent are rescinded.
Seems to be a trait which is common among workers for.
 

Budman

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Bud, you do not know what you are talking about.

To be a hypocrite one has to contradict what one is saying.
I am not claiming to be sinless, ie to walk from now to meet Jesus without the possibility of
stumbling. I cannot say this because I am mortal, and in His hands.

I can say He has changed my heart and life, and that I can walk in the Holy Spirit and know love
and truth flowing through me.

And my heart is my life.

Ofcourse without knowing me, other than what I write here, you are able to say I am a hypocrite.
I cannot answer such an accusation, because it is just slander. But thank you for the consideration
to think me worthy of slander. I must be sharing something that challenges you enough to have
to slander it.

The trouble is slander is a sin and so is judging your brother in Christ.
But then to someone who does not desire to be perfect, one sin is just the same as another, and
being righteous means nothing, because God brings sinning believers straight into heaven.

And this is the folly of such a position. I do not even have to explain it, because you do not care,
and so your state is already sealed. Dear Lord, break through the arrogance of sinners to see
the destruction they bring upon themselves and all who listen and see and approve of such behaviour.
Just as a woman who is not phased by massacres and murders, and thinks normal society will just
give them protection and safety, so those who claim to know your word yet sin so openly, are so lost
and without hope. Dear Lord have mercy on us I pray and send your Spirit to bring us your light of
truth and love, in Jesus Christs Name, Amen.

Do you actually read the things you write?
 

Budman

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.I have been told to Warn all of you that disagree with me that even if you try to address me on this form again that the isolation, devastation and destruction found in the book of Naomi 3: 2 -12 will then be placed upon your heads and it will soon become your isolation desolation and destruction....... Laugh..... Make fun of me but you have been warned!

Um, I think this threat should be reported.
 

FollowHisSteps

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I have spent the last several hours praying about this so what I say I do not say lightly. I have never done anything like this before especially online, but I must obey what I feel in my heart. I have already been told that many of you will disagree and laugh at me..... But again I don't care that is a price I'm willing to pay.

I Speak today to anyone who has disagreed with me over the last several days but especially to
dictator Decon......E G or eternally grateful........... BUDMAN......VCO.....HV something,......... The fact that you could not sense that I was led here to help you............just like Aquila and Priscilla helped Apollo's and showed him the way more perfectly, says a lot to me about your spiritual condition you have ears but you will not hear me. Anyone reading my post should have felt something in their heart and said yes, yes this too is truth. But not you, you have Harden your heart and stiffened your necks. Henceforth I have been told to demand... Yea command, everyone who stands in disagreement with me...... Do not ever address me on this forum any longer..... I hate to do this I don't want to do this, but I must!! do not ever talk to me again. You have had your time to learn but you have refused. From this day forward.......I have been told to Warn all of you that disagree with me that even if you try to address me on this form again that the isolation, devastation and destruction found in the book of Naomi 3: 2 -12 will then be placed upon your heads and it will soon become your isolation desolation and destruction....... Laugh..... Make fun of me but you have been warned!
To stand against the Lord is a fearful thing. But some do not realise God is alive and active and His ways
cannot be resisted, and His judgement is sure.

God bless you brother. We are called to be a light, and in this light rejoice, for He is Christ our Lord, amen.
 

Budman

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I have spent the last several hours praying about this so what I say I do not say lightly. I have never done anything like this before especially online, but I must obey what I feel in my heart. I have already been told that many of you will disagree and laugh at me..... But again I don't care that is a price I'm willing to pay.

I Speak today to anyone who has disagreed with me over the last several days but especially to
dictator Decon......E G or eternally grateful........... BUDMAN......VCO.....HV something,......... The fact that you could not sense that I was led here to help you............just like Aquila and Priscilla helped Apollo's and showed him the way more perfectly, says a lot to me about your spiritual condition you have ears but you will not hear me. Anyone reading my post should have felt something in their heart and said yes, yes this too is truth. But not you, you have Harden your heart and stiffened your necks. Henceforth I have been told to demand... Yea command, everyone who stands in disagreement with me...... Do not ever address me on this forum any longer..... I hate to do this I don't want to do this, but I must!! do not ever talk to me again. You have had your time to learn but you have refused. From this day forward.......I have been told to Warn all of you that disagree with me that even if you try to address me on this form again that the isolation, devastation and destruction found in the book of Naomi 3: 2 -12 will then be placed upon your heads and it will soon become your isolation desolation and destruction....... Laugh..... Make fun of me but you have been warned!
I just want to go on record and say I stand is disagreement with you. :)
 

posthuman

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Jesus said it more profitable for you that I go away.


Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. John 16:7




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