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Magenta

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I like grapes, but I usually throw them out when they start to go funky. :sick: Call me whatever you like. :giggle:
The nice thing about digital grapes is they never go funky :giggle:

The symbolism around grapes is quite rich, with vineyards being rife in Scripture, grapes being the fruit of the vine that makes wine, symbolic of Jesus' blood, which was shed for us out of His great and everlasting love for us :)
 

Magenta

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What’s this!!!? So much peace and harmony!?

Have to check back when there’s some juicy discord and argument!

Here is some music you can listen to while you wait :D

Wine being one of the current topics at hand ;)

And in case you have to wait longer?

 
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EleventhHour

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18 Therefore, as through [a]one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one[b] Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
Romans 5:18


Does that mean that judgement came only upon the elect men?

Upon some men from all places of the world?

No judgement has come upon “every man” that has ever lived!

Either Jesus died for everyone or not everyone is not under judgement.


A clear refutation of the doctrine of limited atonement.
 
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Very interesting that when I looked at the passage in Strongs concordance, the word man is not even there. It is one of those assumed words. Here it is:

32And I,if I be lifted up from the earth,will draw all [men] unto me.

Even the word”all” can be translated as “of every kind” or “part of a totality”.

I think this might make my rendering more accurate.

You can click on the blue words above to see.
If anything I believe it would strengthen my position....all is conclusive of all.....

And to support that notion...

Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess to the glory of God. :) Hahhaha
 
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18 Therefore, as through [a]one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one[b] Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
Romans 5:18


Does that mean that judgement came only upon the elect men?

Upon some men from all places of the world?

No judgement has come upon “every man” that has ever lived!

Either Jesus died for everyone or not everyone is not under judgement.


A clear refutation of the doctrine of limited atonement.
Amen.......Is Mr. Calvin's "gospel" still being sold in this thread!?!?!