Not By Works

[eternally-gratefull]

One point here.

“He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/1/1jn.2.4.kjv

This verse clearly indicates that this person does not know Christ, and was never “once saved“. So, using your analog of climbing down, this verse indicates that this person was never in a place they could climb down from.

Consider also:

“They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/1/1jn.2.19.kjv

Many people may represent themselves as being saved when they are not. The scripture you presented here doesn’t really refute the idea of once saved always saved.

Cant be more clear than this. Amen!

 

[Phoneman-777]

So what happen when we sin after the 2nd coming? Do we confess those sins to Christ to be forgiven?

And if we don't, we are not forgiven?

When Jesus comes, only the righteous will survive. After the 1,000 years, the wicked are raised, condemned, then executed, and the righteous will keep God’s commandments for all eternity 😇

 

[VCO]

Belief in Jesus alone is how we obtain both salvation and preservation. Happy? Now, time for you to weep:

A belief that stops short of total, continuous, unconditional surrender is what will send the devils to hell and anyone who thinks a OSAS License to Sin is a replacement for it will join them because they’re profession is a Lie (1 John 2:3-4KJV)

Much mercy for the Just Man who falls down, but NO MERCY for the Presumptuous OSAS Licensee who climbs down. 😉

I periodically check your POSTS, as you are on my IGNORE LIST. And you Seem to be STUCK on OSAS is a LICENCE TO SIN.

There is NO SUCH THING AS A LICENSE TO SIN.

Those who habitually sin, ONLY prove they NEVER were BORN AGAIN.

1 John 2:19 (HCSB)
19 They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us.


That is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH THAT YOU KEEP DENYING AND DOUBTING that it is ACTUALLY the POWER OF GOD. It is not Our personal power that SAVES US, IT IS GOD's POWER, and it exists in the whole HOLY TRINITY. YOU SHOW you have NO TRUST in the Power of GOD.


Jude 1:24-25 (HCSB)
24 Now to Him who is able to protect you from stumbling and to make you stand in the presence of His glory, blameless and with great joy,
25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, power, and authority before all time, now and forever. Amen.


1 Peter 1:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.


1 Corinthians 2:12-14 (NIV)
12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

John 15:26-27 (YLT)
26 `And when the Comforter may come, whom I will send to you from the Father--the Spirit of truth, who from the Father doth come forth, he will testify of me;
27 and ye also do testify, because from the beginning ye are with me.

Romans 8:28-30 (HCSB)
28 We know that all things work together for the good of those who love God: those who are called according to His purpose.
29 For those He foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers.
30 And those He predestined, He also called; and those He called, He also justified; and those He justified, He also glorified.


Why do you have such a hard time BELIEVING what GOD has WRITTEN.

THEN you come back with BITTERNESS, and you STIR UP ARGUMENTS among the Brethren, which is a Grievous SIN, and probably think you are holy. Could it be because you do not have the Holy Spirit in you, 3 verses above ? ? ?

Proverbs 6:16-19 (ESV)
16 There are six things that the LORD hates, seven that are an abomination to him:
17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil,
19 a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.


I have watched as several Brothers and Sisters tried to explain our beliefs to you, and you instantly REJECT THEM.
Please step back and evaluate your Schemes ? They certainly are not godly Schemes ? ? ?

There they are amongst the 7 things that GOD HATES.

 

[Phoneman-777]

I believe He bore my sins in His own body ...

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It's not sins it is sin, the sin nature is gone. Not only has He saved us He sanctified us for ALL TIME by a single offering ... You've got to believe it, and to believe it you've got to know it and be taught it.

Christians backslide because they are poorly taught.

When we find out how completely saved we are it causes us to overflow with love and thankfulness ... that is what produces holiness.[/QUOTE]

It is a contradiction in terms ... salvation is by faith alone ... oh no wait a minute ...

The problem is you are not believing, you keep looking over your shoulder "mebbe He didn't save me ... mebbe my sins are still there .... mebbe the cross is not enough ... mebbe I've got to earn my salvation."

You can't fight a war like that.

Belief and surrender go hand in hand because when we believe, our mindset becomes “not my will but Thy will”.

Belief that doesn’t result in surrender is no different than the belief of demons.

Why don’t you believe 1 John 2:3-4KJV?

 

[Evmur]

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It's not sins it is sin, the sin nature is gone. Not only has He saved us He sanctified us for ALL TIME by a single offering ... You've got to believe it, and to believe it you've got to know it and be taught it.

Christians backslide because they are poorly taught.

When we find out how completely saved we are it causes us to overflow with love and thankfulness ... that is what produces holiness.

Belief and surrender go hand in hand because when we believe, our mindset becomes “not my will but Thy will”.

Belief that doesn’t result in surrender is no different than the belief of demons.

Why don’t you believe 1 John 2:3-4KJV?[/QUOTE]

***

We's not saved until we surrender. Having surrendered to the Lordship of Christ we are in His hands, He has sworn to save us and He will.

He may chastise us, He may chastise us sore, He may even kill us but He has sworn to save us.

 

[Guojing]

When Jesus comes, only the righteous will survive. After the 1,000 years, the wicked are raised, condemned, then executed, and the righteous will keep God’s commandments for all eternity 😇

When you said "righteous will keep God’s commandments for all eternity", aren't you also saying they cannot have the free choice to sin too?

 

[peldom10]

the specific set of Commands that God gave to Moses on sinai for the nation of Israel. ( and only Israel).

ok...b specific...what are the specific set of commands?

 

[gb9]

ok...b specific...what are the specific set of commands?

the Mosaic Covenant.

 

[Magenta]

I believe He bore my sins in His own body ...

Colossians 1:21-22

 

[VCO]

Belief and surrender go hand in hand because when we believe, our mindset becomes “not my will but Thy will”.

Belief that doesn’t result in surrender is no different than the belief of demons.

Why don’t you believe 1 John 2:3-4KJV?

***

We's not saved until we surrender. Having surrendered to the Lordship of Christ we are in His hands, He has sworn to save us and He will.

He may chastise us, He may chastise us sore, He may even kill us but He has sworn to save us.[/QUOTE]


Good point.

 

[Guojing]

Belief and surrender go hand in hand because when we believe, our mindset becomes “not my will but Thy will”.

Belief that doesn’t result in surrender is no different than the belief of demons.

Why don’t you believe 1 John 2:3-4KJV?

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[/QUOTE]

If you are really going by 1 John 2:3-4, are you still believing that one is saved by faith alone apart from works as in Romans 4:5?

 

[Evmur]

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If you are really going by 1 John 2:3-4, are you still believing that one is saved by faith alone apart from works as in Romans 4:5?[/QUOTE]

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you are quoting phoneman not me

 

[Evmur]

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We's not saved until we surrender. Having surrendered to the Lordship of Christ we are in His hands, He has sworn to save us and He will.

He may chastise us, He may chastise us sore, He may even kill us but He has sworn to save us.

Good point.[/QUOTE]
that's my quote

 

[Guojing]

you are quoting phoneman not me

My point was that John was not writing to the Body of Christ, and 1 John 2:3-4 is not our salvation doctrine.

 

[Phoneman-777]

One point here.

“He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/1/1jn.2.4.kjv

This verse clearly indicates that this person does not know Christ,

Absolutely

and was never “once saved”

Verse doesn’t say that - that’s an inference which finds no support in Scripture.

However, an inference that is Scriptural is that a saint who withdraws his surrender from Christ forgets Christ and no longer knows Him — just as God says Himself He will forget the righteous deeds of a saint who turns back to wickedness:

Ezekiel 33:13 KJV​

“When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.”​

​

Consider also:

“They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Many people may represent themselves as being saved when they are not. The scripture you presented here doesn’t really refute the idea of once saved always saved.

This is hardly a defense of OSAS: Yes, these “antichrists” are plainly mentioned as having never belonged to Christ and were obviously wolves on sheep’s clothing, but does everyone who turns their back on Jesus seek to “take the place of Christ” (literally what “antichrist” means) over the rest of the church? No. Most are content to return to merely enjoying the pleasures of iniquity for a season.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Cant be more clear than this. Amen!

You should read my reply 😉

 

[Phoneman-777]

I periodically check your POSTS, as you are on my IGNORE LIST. And you Seem to be STUCK on OSAS is a LICENCE TO SIN.

There is NO SUCH THING AS A LICENSE TO SIN.

Those who habitually sin, ONLY prove they NEVER were BORN AGAIN.

1 John 2:19 (HCSB)
19 They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us.


That is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH THAT YOU KEEP DENYING AND DOUBTING that it is ACTUALLY the POWER OF GOD. It is not Our personal power that SAVES US, IT IS GOD's POWER, and it exists in the whole HOLY TRINITY. YOU SHOW you have NO TRUST in the Power of GOD.


Jude 1:24-25 (HCSB)
24 Now to Him who is able to protect you from stumbling and to make you stand in the presence of His glory, blameless and with great joy,
25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, power, and authority before all time, now and forever. Amen.


1 Peter 1:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.


1 Corinthians 2:12-14 (NIV)
12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

John 15:26-27 (YLT)
26 `And when the Comforter may come, whom I will send to you from the Father--the Spirit of truth, who from the Father doth come forth, he will testify of me;
27 and ye also do testify, because from the beginning ye are with me.

Romans 8:28-30 (HCSB)
28 We know that all things work together for the good of those who love God: those who are called according to His purpose.
29 For those He foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers.
30 And those He predestined, He also called; and those He called, He also justified; and those He justified, He also glorified.


Why do you have such a hard time BELIEVING what GOD has WRITTEN.

THEN you come back with BITTERNESS, and you STIR UP ARGUMENTS among the Brethren, which is a Grievous SIN, and probably think you are holy. Could it be because you do not have the Holy Spirit in you, 3 verses above ? ? ?

Proverbs 6:16-19 (ESV)
16 There are six things that the LORD hates, seven that are an abomination to him:
17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil,
19 a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.


I have watched as several Brothers and Sisters tried to explain our beliefs to you, and you instantly REJECT THEM.
Please step back and evaluate your Schemes ? They certainly are not godly Schemes ? ? ?

There they are amongst the 7 things that GOD HATES.

Now that I’m living rent free in your head, I think I’ll sell my house 😝

 

[ronair]

***

We's not saved until we surrender. Having surrendered to the Lordship of Christ we are in His hands, He has sworn to save us and He will.

He may chastise us, He may chastise us sore, He may even kill us but He has sworn to save us.

Good point.[/QUOTE]

 

[ronair]

Good point.

[/QUOTE]
"We are not saved until we surrender", is this verbatim or just your personal verbiage?

 

[101G]

Addressing the OP,
good topic, corect, there is no work, or works that we can do in order to be save, but one, (believe God), but we're saved to go to wok, for him. we're saved to work, in which we're rewarded at the white throne judgment.

but correct, before Christ, no works, but one belief in christ Jesus, after christ, full employment in the service of God. Romans 12:1.

PICJAG,
101G