Now That We're Saved, What's The Law Got To Do With It?

[OneFaith]

Hi Guys,


There seems to be a misunderstanding about the Law. What has happened to the law. Has it disappeared? Is it null and void now? Did God kill it?


Is the law holy, righteous and good? Or is it evil and wicked and we treat it like we treat sin……we abhor it and despise it and avoid it completely.


This discussion is about what relationship we have to the law after we are saved. Not about the salvation experience. So let’s please try to avoid the Works/Grace discussion and spring forward from being saved by grace through faith and now what?


And I’m not talking about the topic of keeping our salvation by works. That’s not at all what I’m referring to either.


So what is the relationship to the law now? Is it written on our hearts? Or is it dead and we have no relationship to it at all.


Please share scriptures with your comments so that we can see what God says about the law now that we’re saved.

In the Old Testament God wrote His law on tablets (physical). In the New Testament God writes His laws on our hearts (spiritual). You see, God's law never changes, but the way we obey it has- this is what Jesus nailed to the cross- the physical way of doing things. For example, we don't have a physically perfect lamb sacrifice, because now we have the spiritually perfect Lamb (of God).

Under Moses you could not commit murder, but under Christ if you hate your brother you are already guilty of murder. David killed his tens of thousands, but if you read Ephesians 6, you'll see our battle is no longer with flesh and blood (physical), our battle is now spiritual.

So our relationship to the law after being saved is dead to the law of Moses, alive to the law of Christ- Who now has all authority over God's people today. (Matthew 28:18, Romans 7:1-4).

 

[stonesoffire]

Hi Desertrose

I too thought the law was written on our heart until recently. But, scripture says that what the body of Christ has is a new and Living way. If we can see that we are no,longer bound to this earth by our humanity, but are now spiritual, and our spirit is fused with Holy Spirit, or diffused (it's hard to find an exact word) and we live out of the heavenlies...what law would apply that would control a spiritual man or woman? Laws of control aren't needed for our very being is in love with our "head" who is Jesus.

What Jesus prayed for is that His body (us) would become one with Him as He is one with Father. In this our very life becomes the way of living, moving and having our being in and out of Him.

Its a heavenly divine connection we have with Him, and with each one who is born from above. We hear His Voice, and we follow. Each and every one of us has this potential to walk with the Lord this way. If we all realize who and what we really are in Jesus, there will be an explosive witness on this earth for Him.

This is is an exciting life. A life of peace within and nothing will cause alarm to us because all our provision comes from Him.

The law of love, and the law of liberty is this. That we are being formed into His image daily as we seek Him. A new Genesis of creation began 2000 yrs. ago, and we are catching the wind of Holy Spirit and about to soar.

Hes coming!

 

[Grace777x70]

Here is a great article that speaks about what is written on our hearts now that we are in Christ. I like to use this website as it has at the bottom a place where you can ask questions and sometimes I learn from that area a lot.

The Law Written on Our Hearts is not the Ten Commandments

This is the covenant I will make with them after that time,” says the Lord. “I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” (Heb 10:16)

“This is obviously a reference to the law of Moses,” says the law-preacher. “The Ten Commandments were written in stone, now they’re written in the hearts and minds of God’s people.”

Not true. Here are seventeen reasons why God has not written the Ten Commandments on your heart:

1. The law inflames sin (Rom 5:20) and the strength of sin is the law (1 Cor 15:56). Why would God want to stir up sin in your life?


2. The law condemns (2 Cor 3:9), yet there is no condemnation to those in Christ.


3. The law ministers death (2 Cor 3:7), but God wants you to enjoy abundant life.


4. Law and grace don’t mix. You are under grace, not law (Rom 6:14).


5. Living by the law will alienate you from Christ (Gal 5:4).


6. Living by the law is cheating on Jesus (Rom 7:1-6). Why would God do anything to encourage spiritual adultery?


7. We’re to live by faith but the law is not of faith (Gal 3:12). The law encourages us to depend on ourselves instead of Jesus.


8. Those who live under the law are under a curse (Gal 3:10). Why would God curse those he has blessed?


9. The law binds and enslaves (Rom 7:6), but Jesus wants you free.


10. The law keeps you immature for it makes nothing perfect or complete (Heb 7:19).


11. We have died to the law so that we may serve in the new way of the Spirit and “not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6).


12. When there has been a change of priesthood, the law must be changed also (Heb 7:12). For God to write the old law on our hearts would be like saying Aaron is greater than Jesus.


13. God found fault with the law-keeping covenant and made it obsolete (Heb 8:7,13). Why would God insult his Son’s sacrifice by giving you the very thing his sacrifice rendered obsolete?


14. The law is a shadow of the good things to come and not the reality (Heb 10:1). Why would God give you the shadow instead of “the good thing”?


15. The Jews considered the law to be ordained by angels (Heb 2:2). If so, says the author of Hebrews, then it is inferior to the gospel of Jesus (Heb 1:4). Why would God give you an inferior gift?


16. Some Christians think that God gives them the law as a guide to live by, but why would God want you to repeat the mistake of the Galatians (Gal 3:2)? Why would God do anything to make you fall from grace?


17. The old law-keeping covenant required an accounting or remembering of sin, but the new covenant is characterized by God forgiving and forgetting on account of Jesus (Heb 10:17). If the law that God writes in our hearts is the law of Moses, then Jesus died for nothing.

If God has written the Ten Commandments on your heart and mind, you should be able to list all ten with no trouble. Can you? What’s the seventh commandment? You can’t do it because it’s not there, and a very good thing that is too! If the law that God writes in our hearts is the law of Moses, you’re in big trouble.

The good news is that God has written in us a far better law. What is this new and better law?


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Here is the link below for the website if you want to read the questions asked. Personally I love to read the questions because most of us would have the same ones.

https://escapetoreality.org/2015/04/...-commandments/

 

[Grace777x70]

We can't be left hanging here about what or rather Who is written on our hearts now that we are in Christ.

What is this new law that is written on our hearts seeing as we know it's not the ten commandments in the form given in the Law.

What is this New Covenant that Ezekiel is prophesying about that was to come and now is here manifested in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection?

What is the Law Written on Our Hearts?

Six-hundred years before Jesus came, the prophet Jeremiah spoke of a new covenant that God would make with his people:


“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the Lord. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.” (Jer 31:33-34)

What is the law that God writes on our hearts and minds? Here are three things it is not:

• It is not the law of Moses. As we saw in the last post, if God wrote the Ten Commandments on our hearts then Jesus died for nothing.

• It is not a new and improved version of the law. It is not the new commands of Jesus or the New Testament. We cannot please God by keeping a new law any more than we could please him by keeping an old one.

• It is not the knowledge of right and wrong that was bestowed upon us – against the Lord’s wishes – by Adam.

So what is this law that the Lord writes on our hearts and minds and embeds in our very being?

It is Christ Himself.

Let’s look at three things the New Testament says about the new law in our hearts.

1. The law of love

A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. (John 13:34)

Under the old law covenant, love was demanded from you. “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength.”

But under the new covenant of grace, love is given to you – “As I have loved you” – and out of the overflow of Christ’s measureless love we are able to love others.

How does it happen?

God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us. (Rom 5:5)

God abundantly pours his love into our hearts by giving us the Holy Spirit, a.k.a. the Spirit of Christ. Do you see the difference between the old and new?

• Under the old, the law was a rule for weak men to obey. Under the new, the Law is the Spirit of Christ given to us, loving us, and loving others through us.

• Under the old, you loved others because you feared punishment. But under the new, you love because a Lover lives in you and it is his nature to love.

• Under the old, you had to make an effort to obey. But under the new you have to make an effort to disobey. It’s a whole new way of life.

2. The law of the Spirit of life

It’s important that you understand the difference between the old law (a written code you can’t keep) and the new Law (Christ himself, living in you). Try and live by the old laws, as Paul did, and it makes you miserable:

What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? (Rom 7:24)

Paul couldn’t keep the old law no matter how hard he tried. He needed a new law and that new law is a Who:

Who will rescue me…? Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Rom 7:24-25a)

Do you see? The old law is a what; the new law is a Who. The old law ministers condemnation and death (2 Cor 3:7-9), but the new “law of the Spirit gives life” (Rom 8:2).

For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. (2 Cor 3:6)

Who gives life? Not a set of rules, but the Spirit of Christ within you. The new law is a Who.

3. The perfect law of liberty

James wrote of “the perfect law that gives freedom” (Jas 1:25), which can be contrasted with the law of Moses that binds (Rom 7:6).

What is the perfect law that gives freedom? Well, what is the implanted word that can save you (Jas 1:21)? It’s not the Ten Commandments or the Bible. It’s Jesus, the living Word who sets us free.

The perfect law of liberty describes what Jesus has done (perfectly fulfilled or completed the law) and the fruit he will bear in our lives (liberty) if we trust him.

But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it – not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it – they will be blessed in what they do. (Jas 1:25)

Look into the mirror of Moses’ law and you will be miserable, for it exposes all your faults. But look into the perfect law which is Jesus and you will be blessed, for it reveals His righteousness.

“Don’t just listen but do what it (the perfect law of liberty) says” (Jas 1:22). In other words, allow the Spirit of Christ to convince you that in him you are righteous and holy.

Don’t walk away from the perfect law and forget who you are in Christ. Fix your eyes on Jesus. Look intently with an unveiled face and be transformed into his likeness.

The Law written in our hearts is Jesus

Jeremiah said those who had the new law written on their hearts would know the Lord and would no longer need others to teach them. This is describing your union with Christ. One with the Lord you have the mind of Christ (1 Cor 2:16). His Spirit dwells in you and teaches you all things (John 14:26).

The law of the Lord written into your members is your Father’s spiritual DNA. It is the seed of God birthed in you by the Holy Spirit. It’s Jesus Himself.

How do you know He’s there? Because you are a new creation with new hopes and desires. You no longer want to sin. Your desire is to love God and others and that desire has nothing to do with old rules written in stone.

Christian, you are who you are because Christ lives in you. He is the new law written, by God, in your heart and mind.

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Here is the link below to view the questions on this article if anyone is interested. The Hebrew and Greek word for "law" has a few meanings which includes "principle, rule, instruction".

https://escapetoreality.org/2015/04/...on-our-hearts/

 

[seed_time_harvest]

What's wrong with works .... now that we're saved?

As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance, but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; because it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.” 1 Peter 1:14-16

Nothing Is wrong with good but works without accepting JESUS will not perfect your spirit.

We are GOD's workmanship created IN CHRIST JESUS unto good works that was before ordained that we should walk In them.

 

[stonesoffire]

I just did a quick look at that site Grace 7. And I've heard bits and pieces of messages before here and there. But, this puts it all together in one and makes it so understandable.

Years ago, I thought I saw that Jesus was the walking Torah on the earth. I said it but was shot down real quick so never pursued it. Possibly in my immaturity I said it in error, but I knew what I mean't.

So thanks again...publicly thanking you for this message!

 

[Desertsrose]

Nothing Is wrong with good but works without accepting JESUS will not perfect your spirit.

We are GOD's workmanship created IN CHRIST JESUS unto good works that was before ordained that we should walk In them.

Hi seed,

Thanks for reinforcing my comments.

 

[Desertsrose]

Hi Grace,

I'll post the balancing scriptures about God's law that you didn't post. When we don't give the full picture, we're in danger of skewing the truth which is what we don't want to do.

Obey the law
Romans 2:13 ...for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified.

The law is holy, righteous and good
Romans 7:12 So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

Not the law, but sin killed me
Romans 7:13 Therefore did that which is good become a cause of death for me? May it never be! Rather it was sin, in order that it might be shown to be sin by effecting my death through that which is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful.

The law is spiritual
Romans 7:14 For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin.

The law is not null and void
Romans 3:31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law.

So in actuality Paul is making a contrast of the spiritual law of faith with a temporal law of ritualistic duties and the keeping of them that didn't require faith.

Paul describes two different types of law and it's our job to discover through the power of the Holy Spirit who leads us into and guides us into all truth, which one he speaks of.

For instance in Hebrews 9 and 10 Paul describes the ritualistic law of Moses. The above law Paul speaks of in Romans that we are to obey is the spiritual law that contains the righteous requirements of the law. Romans 8:4 .....so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

David in the Psalms speaks of the beauty of the law and is speaking of the spiritual law, the law of faith, the law of Christ, the law of liberty - not the ritualistic law.

Psalms 19:7-13
The law of the Lord is perfect, restoring the soul;
The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.
The precepts of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart;
The commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.
The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever;
The judgments of the Lord are true; they are righteous altogether.
They are more desirable than gold, yes, than much fine gold;
Sweeter also than honey and the drippings of the honeycomb.
Moreover, by them Your servant is warned;
In keeping them there is great reward.
Who can discern his errors? Acquit me of hidden faults.
Also keep back Your servant from presumptuous sins;
Let them not rule over me;
Then I will be blameless,
And I shall be acquitted of great transgression.

What the ritual law can't do, the spiritual law does through faith. The spiritual law is the law of faith that produces behaviors, attitudes and character that is pleasing in His sight. Without faith it's impossible to please Him.

And as James said, the law of faith works. The two work together to produce the righteous requirements of he law. Faith harmonizes with works and obeys the spiritual law.

To sum it all up, Jesus says to love God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and to love your neighbor as yourself - this fulfills all of the law and all of the prophets.

So if love helps to fulfill the law, we see that there's still an ongoing law that we need to fulfill by our obedience. It's the spiritual law of love which obeys all of the commands of Jesus. Jesus said if you love me, you will obey my commandments.

Romans 6:15-19
What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed, and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness, resulting in further lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness, resulting in sanctification.

The Law of love, the Law of Christ, the Law of Liberty is a law of Grace that obeys.

 

[Grace777x70]

God didn't send Jesus so that He could put the 10 commandments in us. He came to give us Jesus Himself so only He has fulfilled the intent of the law - including the 10 commandments.

If Paul is telling us the truth when he says the Christian is not under the Law but under grace now, has died to the Law, is released from the Law.

( Which I do believe Paul is telling us the truth ). - Then how is our relationship to be to the law in regards to the "good" that is in the ten commandments from the Old Covenant?

Live "from" the 10 promises of His life that is in us now instead of "by" the 10 commandments because we are now in Christ in the New Covenant.

It's in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ and the grace of God which manifests His life in and through us that we live by now.

1) When you know Me ( Jesus ) and I live in you, you will have no need for other gods because you have a loving Father who loves you deeply and unconditionally.

2) When you know Me ( Jesus ) ,and I live in you the idols in life will fade like mist in the sun.

3) When you know Me ( Jesus ) and I live in you, you will never stop speaking My name to establish freedom - My name is Jesus.

4) When you know Me ( Jesus ) and I live in you, you will cease from your own works and rely totally on what I have already done for you and find true Sabbath rest in Me.

5) When you know Me ( Jesus ) and I live in you, you will be honored as fathers and mothers to nations.

6) When you know Me ( Jesus ) and I live in you, you will restore life.

7) When you know Me ( Jesus ) and I live in you, you will experience deep authentic relationships which you will treasure.

8) When you know Me ( Jesus ) ,and I live in you, you will be established in abundance and generosity.

9) When you know Me ( Jesus ) ,and I live in you, you will be My witness.

10) When you know Me ( Jesus ) and I live in you, your love which is My love flowing in and through you for your neighbor will bring restoration to this world.

The 10 commandments are now 10 promises fulfilled in us through relationship with our loving Father because we are in Christ and the fruit of His life being manifested in and through us.

 

[followjesus]

Hi Guys,


There seems to be a misunderstanding about the Law. What has happened to the law. Has it disappeared? Is it null and void now? Did God kill it?


Is the law holy, righteous and good? Or is it evil and wicked and we treat it like we treat sin……we abhor it and despise it and avoid it completely.


This discussion is about what relationship we have to the law after we are saved. Not about the salvation experience. So let’s please try to avoid the Works/Grace discussion and spring forward from being saved by grace through faith and now what?


And I’m not talking about the topic of keeping our salvation by works. That’s not at all what I’m referring to either.


So what is the relationship to the law now? Is it written on our hearts? Or is it dead and we have no relationship to it at all.


Please share scriptures with your comments so that we can see what God says about the law now that we’re saved.

1 timothy 1:5-11 "Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: 6From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; 7Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
8But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

11According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust."

the confusion comes because every time paul says " the law" he isnt always speaking of the same thing , there are different Laws spoken of in pauls writings. the law of sin = death isnt the law of moses, its the law that adam passed on to man kind " the law of sin working in our members. thats why " the Law" is made for sinners. its a restraint upon the sin that lives in mankind, the inward part of us that makes us desire what is evil, that cursed part of man that strays from the nature of God. This reason ius why were given New birth , a new spirit, because mankind corrupted the spirit given through adam to mankind.

romans 7:16-25 "For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. <<<( this is the law of sin within us) 18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. ( a sinner wants to do good, but cant figure out how to do it because we ARE sinners its part of thr nature of man whether great or small there is sin living within us)

19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.21I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."

when we discuss " the law" its essential to understand there are many different Laws at work in the World, and also in Heaven the law of moses is one, it is the book of the Mosaic Law, written and delivered to Israel alone, and spread through the world by thier dispursement as a witness AGAINST SIN and against sinners, as the verses in timothy are clearly speaking of the Mosaic Law given to and for the rebellious. as Long as person is living in that inner law of sin where we want to do right but continue doing what we Know is sin, the Law is meant for them until sin becomes exceedingly sinful and causes us to repent.

the Only deliverance from the Mosaic Laws condemnation is Jesus and the Gospel. which is" the Law of the spirit of Life." which puts to death the law of sin in us through the circumcision of the heart where the Law of sin is rooted.

matthew 15:19-20 "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: 20These are the things which defile a man: "


to believe in , accept and follow the gospel cleanses the heart and is the power of God to sever the Law of sin that lives in us and defiles. when you say " saved by Grace through Faith" the through faith part is about believeing and also doing, thats the Only faith that saves should be translated " faithfulness" the deliverance from the law of sin in romans 7 is explained in romans 8

romans 8:1-6 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. <<< notice its those who dont walk after the flesh who are in Christ, but they walk after the spirit )2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. ( John 6:63 )

3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: >>>4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. (<< notice again its what the person actually does that makes the difference what we Mind)6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

to follow the sins Jesus dies to remove does now and always will lead to spiritual death, just like sin caused mans death in eden. what saves us is the renewed mind that comes through Jesus word, the Gospel. it cleanses the inner man from the things that cause us to sin. it solves the problem of sinners being enslaved to the law of sin in us. because the Law of sin operates from our Heart. through Lust, greed, envy, malice, grudges ect. thats why the gospel is so much different in that it focuses on the inner things here as the Law only fobids actions that come from the inner corruption. the law was never meant to solve the problem, only show it to us.

the Gospel is the answer, whats found in the 4 gospels are the words of Life and its possible because of what Jesus did for us in becoming one of us, and dying as a substitute for our past sins against the Law. Our relationship to the Law now is to learn it, keep it, find the principles rather than the letters of the words. the Law has principles that are the same as the Gospel, but they are veiled because of sin. the Law should be studied often by Christians it holds so much inderstanding of Jesus and the work God has done for us through Him.

 

[joefizz]

Hi Guys,


There seems to be a misunderstanding about the Law. What has happened to the law. Has it disappeared? Is it null and void now? Did God kill it?


Is the law holy, righteous and good? Or is it evil and wicked and we treat it like we treat sin……we abhor it and despise it and avoid it completely.


This discussion is about what relationship we have to the law after we are saved. Not about the salvation experience. So let’s please try to avoid the Works/Grace discussion and spring forward from being saved by grace through faith and now what?


And I’m not talking about the topic of keeping our salvation by works. That’s not at all what I’m referring to either.


So what is the relationship to the law now? Is it written on our hearts? Or is it dead and we have no relationship to it at all.


Please share scriptures with your comments so that we can see what God says about the law now that we’re saved.

tried giving you rep for this question because it is an excellent question! before I answer as usual I'll look through as many posts already posted on this subject,to naturally see first if the question has been answered as accurately as possible!

 

[followjesus]

The law is our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ.

Once we come to Christ the law no longer has a role.

It has no ability to perfect us.
It has no ability to cause us to be obedient.
It has no ability to do anything except condemn.

Anybody that tells you different doesn't have understanding of the law.

There is therefore now no condemnation for them who are in Christ Jesus. That means the law no longer has authority over those who are in Christ Jesus. It plays no role.

Once we come to Christ the law no longer has a role.

It has no ability to perfect us.
It has no ability to cause us to be obedient.
It has no ability to do anything except condemn.

Anybody that tells you different doesn't have understanding of the law.

actually your comment shows vast misunderstanding of the law.

acts 28:23 "And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

1 timothy 1:8 "But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;"


2 timothy 3:15-17 "And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."

Luke 24:27 "And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself " the most important use for the Law is to learn about Jesus, same with the prophets. they teach right and wrong, and they also Hold wisdom, teaching, reproof, and most importantly they teach the fullnes of Jesus and what He means to mankind. its a foolish thought to make the Law null and void and shows a real lack of understanding.

Can the Law save a person? no , but it is useful and precious in every single way to a Christian and none should ever see it as useless thats a modern day gog misteaching ( one of hundreds when the false docrine is examined.

another thing is that anyone who is living a sinful life, is still under the law, you are set free from it when you follow the spirit. this doesnt make it void and useless it was never meant to save or offer eternal Life, its purpose is to show sinners, to be sinners so that they understand the need for the Savior and reliance on Gods provision to save from the condemnation of adams spirit in us. the law is good , Holy and will never be irrelevant to Gods People. it simply needs to be learned from the Gospels understanding. when you understand the purpose of the Law was never meant to save even israel unto eternal Life you then understand its propur use and place and its immense value to Learn of Our God who has not and will not change , ever.

 

[joefizz]

The law actually lead us to the understanding that we are all spiritually dead creatures that surely will never be able to help ourselves or others to be saved , so we will understand that it is inevitability that we need God Himself to save us .


Salvation is by God’s Grace alone ( sorry I use this phrase , that you have warned ).


If we imagine that God gave the law to us only contain prohibitions about; don’t kill, don’t covet , so surely we enthusiastically intentionally try to fulfill it, in our mind say that law are possible and plausible to be done, but how then if the law contains hundreds of prohibitions and rites ? , is it still possible and plausible ?, how then if we try to know what was the reason that Adam and Eve were driven out from Eden ? were there many fatal violations they might do if they were still in Eden ?, the violation they surely did that God worried about them that time was only “ surely ate the fruits of the tree of life intentionally “ then which one the simpler ? , how then if the simpler one was proven couldn’t be fulfilled ( driven out from Eden is the strong proof ) ? , is it possible to Humans fulfilling the hundreds laws ?, so what’s for the law actually then?.
The law will always be the standard of life in God eyes , although humans will never be able to fulfill it , but it will lead us to comprehend that we surely need His grace alone as the only way to save us ( by His Grace we are equated as fulfilling the standard of life ).

the maker of this thread didn't want the salvation discussion they want to simply know what is the use of the law now?,please be mindful.

 

[joefizz]

Every time I look at the title of this thread, I want to break out in singing...what's law got to do with it, got to do with it...what's law but a second hand old covenant.

Tee hee...

did that a few minutes ago lol.

 

[joefizz]

The law is our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ.

Once we come to Christ the law no longer has a role.

It has no ability to perfect us.
It has no ability to cause us to be obedient.
It has no ability to do anything except condemn.

Anybody that tells you different doesn't have understanding of the law.

There is therefore now no condemnation for them who are in Christ Jesus. That means the law no longer has authority over those who are in Christ Jesus. It plays no role.

I agree with all that you said except that the old law doesn't play a role,think on it again,do ye still observe the commandments for the purpose of striving to do right by God?

 

[stonesoffire]

another thing is that anyone who is living a sinful life, is still under the law, you are set free from it when you follow the spirit.

What you are doing in your thinking is separating yourself from Holy Spirit, in wanting to follow the Spirit. If you are born of God, born from above, we are one with Holy Spirit, and leading comes from within. Not from law for we aren't lawless, willful, disobedient children of God. That is flesh. We are no longer flesh but Spirit.

minds need renewed to the Word.

 

[Snoozy]

easy one. all da moral guidance is still there its only da ceremonies rituals and holy days that are not required for gentile believers.

 

[joefizz]

Given all the confusion on so many threads this a brilliant and simple explanation of what the law does and does not do!

not exactly because the law/commandments do still play a role,I almost agreed til I saw the "law doesn't play a role" part,which if you think on this more you'll realize why this is not true.

 

[joefizz]

Here is a great article that speaks about what is written on our hearts now that we are in Christ. I like to use this website as it has at the bottom a place where you can ask questions and sometimes I learn from that area a lot.

The Law Written on Our Hearts is not the Ten Commandments

This is the covenant I will make with them after that time,” says the Lord. “I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” (Heb 10:16)

“This is obviously a reference to the law of Moses,” says the law-preacher. “The Ten Commandments were written in stone, now they’re written in the hearts and minds of God’s people.”

Not true. Here are seventeen reasons why God has not written the Ten Commandments on your heart:

1. The law inflames sin (Rom 5:20) and the strength of sin is the law (1 Cor 15:56). Why would God want to stir up sin in your life?


2. The law condemns (2 Cor 3:9), yet there is no condemnation to those in Christ.


3. The law ministers death (2 Cor 3:7), but God wants you to enjoy abundant life.


4. Law and grace don’t mix. You are under grace, not law (Rom 6:14).


5. Living by the law will alienate you from Christ (Gal 5:4).


6. Living by the law is cheating on Jesus (Rom 7:1-6). Why would God do anything to encourage spiritual adultery?


7. We’re to live by faith but the law is not of faith (Gal 3:12). The law encourages us to depend on ourselves instead of Jesus.


8. Those who live under the law are under a curse (Gal 3:10). Why would God curse those he has blessed?


9. The law binds and enslaves (Rom 7:6), but Jesus wants you free.


10. The law keeps you immature for it makes nothing perfect or complete (Heb 7:19).


11. We have died to the law so that we may serve in the new way of the Spirit and “not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6).


12. When there has been a change of priesthood, the law must be changed also (Heb 7:12). For God to write the old law on our hearts would be like saying Aaron is greater than Jesus.


13. God found fault with the law-keeping covenant and made it obsolete (Heb 8:7,13). Why would God insult his Son’s sacrifice by giving you the very thing his sacrifice rendered obsolete?


14. The law is a shadow of the good things to come and not the reality (Heb 10:1). Why would God give you the shadow instead of “the good thing”?


15. The Jews considered the law to be ordained by angels (Heb 2:2). If so, says the author of Hebrews, then it is inferior to the gospel of Jesus (Heb 1:4). Why would God give you an inferior gift?


16. Some Christians think that God gives them the law as a guide to live by, but why would God want you to repeat the mistake of the Galatians (Gal 3:2)? Why would God do anything to make you fall from grace?


17. The old law-keeping covenant required an accounting or remembering of sin, but the new covenant is characterized by God forgiving and forgetting on account of Jesus (Heb 10:17). If the law that God writes in our hearts is the law of Moses, then Jesus died for nothing.

If God has written the Ten Commandments on your heart and mind, you should be able to list all ten with no trouble. Can you? What’s the seventh commandment? You can’t do it because it’s not there, and a very good thing that is too! If the law that God writes in our hearts is the law of Moses, you’re in big trouble.

The good news is that God has written in us a far better law. What is this new and better law?


Unquote:

Here is the link below for the website if you want to read the questions asked. Personally I love to read the questions because most of us would have the same ones.

https://escapetoreality.org/2015/04/...-commandments/

and why do so many limit God and Jesus's commandments to only a mere "10" if any "Read" the bible you would find that there are more than merely "10"commandments" way more!

 

[Grace777x70]

and why do so many limit God and Jesus's commandments to only a mere "10" if any "Read" the bible you would find that there are more than merely "10"commandments" way more!

I know...there are 613 of them along with "the 10" in the Old Covenant and if we break one - we are guilty of them all. Thank God for the New Covenant!

Here are the commandments in the New Covenant.

1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

The law is NOT of faith.

And all these are descriptions of those that are in Christ and Christ is in them - His life being manifested in us which empowers us to walk in these commandments.

The true Christian life is an unending wonderful amazement of Christ Himself and of His love, grace and mercy towards us as He reveals the true nature of the Father to us.