Obsession with Confession (1 John 1:9, sin confession)

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WoundedWarrior

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That is not an answer to what I asked.

I specifically asked if there is any sin or sin which must stop BEFORE God will grant forgiveness?

Why will you not answer that question?
Here, let me clarify:

God requires we acknowledge that we have sinned BEFORE we are able to receive His mercy.

[h=3]Romans 6:23 ESV[/h]For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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I am concerned that you see that which does not actually exist.
You can forget it bro....there are a few on here that would argue with a fence post and say that is was not a fence post...a few would even argue the sky is not blue!
 

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To tear down strongholds of the lie and build up an understanding of the truth.

Baloney. Just like Jason, you're here to crack the whip and force God's children back into slavery to the Law.

If, as the Bible teaches, all sin was forgiven at the cross, and simple faith in Christ is the only requirement for the granting and keeping of salvation, then guess what?

You have no case.

Where there is no sin, there is no transgression. The blood of Jesus has cleansed us from all unrighteousness for all time. We are no longer condemned. Not now - nor ever.

In fact, by adding to the gospel, you have placed yourself under a curse.

Take your yoke of Law/works and get lost.
 
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BarlyGurl

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I found it :) Romans 1:18-21

God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made,so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
Great truth... but it makes me so sad:(
 
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Gr8grace

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That is not an answer to what I asked.

I specifically asked if there is any sin or sin which must stop BEFORE God will grant forgiveness?

Why will you not answer that question?
Unbelief that Jesus Christ alone took care of your sin and died for you and rose again in HIS victory over your sin.

The thing you seem not to have done yet considering your recent posts(You may have at some time, but obviously have forgotten if you did.)

You are a slave to sin................you need to see this fact. Your "fight" over sin makes you a slave to it.

The Lord Jesus Christ "fought" and won the battle over sin. Not you.
 
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This is another good example of how deception works.

The phrase, "one we have accepted Christ as our Lord and Saviour" IS NOT IN THE BIBLE. The Bible does not teach anything remotely close to a mere "acceptance of Christ as Lord and Saviour." That notion is rooted in the fallacy that the death of Christ effected a legal transaction which one merely trusts in to be clean.

Paul preached repentance proven by deeds in Acts because a genuine repentance necessitates a total turn around from rebellion to God unto obedience to God. "Accepting Christ as Lord and Saviour" leaves all that out and twists the Gospel into there mere "acceptance" of a provision. It is a lie.

"Our feet pick up dust causing us to stumble? Where does the Bible teach that? The Bible teaches...

1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
1Jn 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

Yet instead of contending for that people contend for "sin you will and sin you must" as if rebellion to God from time to time is inevitable. Then when you have millions of people all confirming this nonsense to one another you have the structure of the vast deception we see, where sinning against God is not really a big deal, it is just a "slip up" and thus confess and don't worry about it. There is no contending for purity of heart or a faith that works by love as any standard, contend for that and you'll be deemed a heretic who doesn't "trust in Jesus."




One is only cleansed by the Word so much as they are YIELDED TO IT. That is why James wrote...

Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

One cannot receive the implanted word whilst walking in wickedness. We have to repent and yield to God and then the implanted word brings life to our inward parts.

The problem is that people want life without having to submit themselves wholeheartedly to God.




It all sounds so good doesn't it? So godly? Yet it isn't. It is deception. "...instead of stumbling, we will be walking and even running!" implies a MEANWHILE of ongoing rebellion whilst saved. Thus inward wickedness and salvation is grafted together into being one and the same, it is THEN AFTER initial salvation that the wickedness decreases. Thus we have Christian's engaged in all manner of evil because "God is still working on them" or "still washing them."

Repentance has been utterly rejected in favour of being able to continue in sin, so long as you confess that sin and trust in Jesus. What kind of abomination is this?
Yes, it does sound good because it is the Gospel. :D we are in the process of learning about Jesus., Beholding Him., learning what Jesus has done when He saved us. We do not get totally "downloaded" like a computer when we get saved. We have to progressively become more intimately more acquainted with Him through and in our minds. When we yeald to the HolySpirit we are being available to learn and in learning be transformed by the renewing of our minds. For some reason God has worked it out this way. He gives us progressive revelation as we behold Jesus in the Bible through the HolySpirit. Not sure how you can deny this process as deception Skinski7.

The Bible also says to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.... it's speaking of in all seriousness taken as a goal to learn what God has put in us as we work it out. He put the love of God in us., we work the love of God out of us when we walk on planet earth and deal with people. Same with the other great things He gave us at salvation. He already has given us the spirit of power, love and a sound mind. It's our job to learn about it and work it out in our lives.

It's like when a baby is born., he learns how to do things and it takes time to grow. Even the Bible calls us when we first get saved "as new born babes desire the sincere milk of the Word" Soon that baby is a toddler and soon he is walking then running. And while that baby is learning to walk the father is there guiding and allowing for his son's falls because He loves and understands His son so well. I would hardly call that baby "engaging in all manner of evil" yeesshhhhh. hardly.

Not sure who is saying we should continue in sin., you should read over these posts Skinski7. You are the only one saying continued sin is being supported here. Paul was accused of such teaching when he began to talk about grace. Like you, people misunderstood grace and saw it as a license to sin. When in fact Paul was expounding on the wonders of grace in the life of he believer. The abomination is calling the gospel of grace a deception.
 
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I must admit Skinski7, what a clever association to make God's grace align with satan's lie. You can sin and surely not die (ie, license to sin). Except you forget one thing. Jesus did die. He paid the penalty for all sin.


Where does the Bible teach that Jesus "paid the penalty for all sin"?

The Bible does not teach that anywhere at all. If "Jesus paying the penalty" is something that you rely on then what is the basis for that reliance?


We even partook of that death, in our baptism. We also took part in His resurrection into newness of life, having put off the old nature and being a new creation. So while the association was clever, there was truth left untold. That being, Jesus has died and resurrected and the penalty of that death for sin has been paid in full.
Where does the Bible teach that?

The truth is that the Bible does not teach anywhere they Jesus paid any penalty in full. The Bible teaches that...

Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Heb 9:18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
Heb 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
Heb 9:20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
Heb 9:21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Heb 9:23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
Heb 9:25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Notice that is says not a single word about any penalty being paid in full. The text plainly states that the death of Christ fostered a redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament and that where a testament is there must be the death of the testator. Thus the blood of Jesus brought into effect the New Testament which we are then enjoined to. Why not contend for what the Bible actually states instead of the teaching you find in theological books and articles?

The Bible also says...

Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

The offering of Jesus Christ was to effect a redemption (a setting free) from ALL iniquity and a purification of a peculiar people. Why not contend for that instead of "price paid in full"?


So God's truth is not like satan's lie, as death surely did happen. When we sin, it is not that we are cheating death, but rather that debt has already been paid by Jesus Christ.
So you believe you can sin because Jesus paid the debt.

Where is that taught in the Bible?

Somehow you have been deceived into a religion which teaches that this "debt being paid in full" means you can not sin and not surely die. How id that really any different to Satan's lie?


I will plainly state, your sin has no say in your eternal destination. Jesus does. Your sin is washed in His blood. He is able to save you completely. I am not saying that we can sin all we want,
Yes you are, don't play word games. You just plainly stated that your ongoing sin has nothing to do with your eternal destination. Clearly you believe you can sin all you want.

I am saying that we won't sin all we want because we have been born again and died to sin.
How can you be dead to sin and contend "when we sin"? If you still yield yourself to unrighteousness then you are still a servant of unrighteousness and in truth have NEVER died to sin.

When the Bible speaks of "dying to sin" is says...

Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Have you ceased from the service of sin? It sure doesn't sound like it when you constantly advocate ongoing sin.


It is no longer our master, nor will it have dominion over us for we are not under law but grace. The idea is, "Awaken to righteousness and sin not." Sin doesn't have to dominate your life, let that revelation of grace sink in. Oh, and if you do sin, as is said in 1 John 2, we have an Advocate with the Father. Jesus Christ, our High Priest.
Sin is no longer your master if you abstain from serving it, yet you don't contend for that do you?

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

You don't contend for "obedience to the truth" in anything you write. You clearly contend for an abstract provisional salvation premised on Jesus "paying your debt in full" whereby you can engage in wickedness and still inherit eternal life. Your own words prove that is what you believe.


If I were to ask you if there is any sin or sins that have to stop BEFORE God will grant you forgiveness how would you answer?

Does a child molester have to stop molesting children BEFORE God forgives them?

Common sense and the simplicity of the truth utterly expose the deception you are attempting to promote here. The children of God are MANIFEST in that they do not yield themselves to unrightousness. That means the sin (willful) has stopped.
 
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BarlyGurl

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>>>Repentance has been utterly rejected in favour of being able to continue in sin, so long as you confess that sin and trust in Jesus. What kind of abomination is this?<<<<

pretty much makes me want to vomit :(
 

Budman

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The truth is that the Bible does not teach anywhere they Jesus paid any penalty in full.

1 John 1:7

Colossians 2:13

Acts 13:38-39

All means ALL.
 
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Yes, it does sound good because it is the Gospel. :D we are in the process of learning about Jesus., Beholding Him., learning what Jesus has done when He saved us. We do not get totally "downloaded" like a computer when we get saved. We have to progressively become more intimately more acquainted with Him through and in our minds.
The issue is not growing in grace and knowledge and thus becoming more acquainted with Christ. The issue in this discussion is people advocating that one engage in wickedness and be saved at the same time.

Most of these people believe in a purely positional/abstract salvation which is disconnected from any transformation of the heart. Thus the person whom is purportedly saved saved can still yield to the service of evil. Evil hearts produce evil fruit, a heart of love does not produce evil fruit.


When we yeald to the HolySpirit we are being available to learn and in learning be transformed by the renewing of our minds. For some reason God has worked it out this way. He gives us progressive revelation as we behold Jesus in the Bible through the HolySpirit. Not sure how you can deny this process as deception Skinski7.
That is not the deception. Please read my words with more care.

The deception is the notion of a provisional salvation entered into by "accepting Jesus as Lord and Saviour" whereby the ongoing service of evil is covered. That is the deception, not growth.

The Bible also says to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.... it's speaking of in all seriousness taken as a goal to learn what God has put in us as we work it out. He put the love of God in us., we work the love of God out of us when we walk on planet earth and deal with people. Same with the other great things He gave us at salvation. He already has given us the spirit of power, love and a sound mind. It's our job to learn about it and work it out in our lives.

It's like when a baby is born., he learns how to do things and it takes time to grow. Even the Bible calls us when we first get saved "as new born babes desire the sincere milk of the Word" Soon that baby is a toddler and soon he is walking then running. And while that baby is learning to walk the father is there guiding and allowing for his son's falls because He loves and understands His son so well.
The "falls" in question here are acts of rebellion to God. I am not speaking of sins of ignorance, making a misjudgment or misguided decision. I am speaking of sins of rebellion only.

The new born babes in Christ that Peter refers to also love one another out of a pure heart having had their sould purified through obedience to the truth through the Spirit. That completely negates any ongoing service of evil in the Christian walk. We are slaves to whom we obey either sin unto death or obedience unto righteousness.

I would hardly call that baby "engaging in all manner of evil" yeesshhhhh. hardly.
All manner of evil is being engaged in in the professing church. There are adulteries, fornications, infanticide, thefts, lying etc. Many people engage in these evils thinking that their sins have been "paid for" and thus no condemnation can be wrought due to their actions. They have bought into a false religion and another Jesus.

The Jesus of the Bible preached HEAR AND DO and stated that those whom HEAR AND DO NOT but instead work iniquity, that they will be rejected. Jesus taught that.


Not sure who is saying we should continue in sin., you should read over these posts Skinski7. You are the only one saying continued sin is being supported here.
When people say things like...

When we sin, it is not that we are cheating death, but rather that debt has already been paid by Jesus Christ.

...that is clearly advocating a continuance of sin. If the sin has stopped then there is no "when we sin" is there?

Paul was accused of such teaching when he began to talk about grace. Like you, people misunderstood grace and saw it as a license to sin. When in fact Paul was expounding on the wonders of grace in the life of he believer. The abomination is calling the gospel of grace a deception.
The abomination is presenting grace as a cloak for ongoing sin. It isn't. Grace is the power of God whereby we can live unto righteousness and this grace is freely given. Yet we have to abide in that grace and walk in accordance with what they grace teaches. Those who promote that you can engage in known evil and be covered by the grace of God are very deceived.
 

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skinski preaches a version of something called pelagianism . I encourage everyone debating( correcting ) him to google it up. Sparkman pointed this out a while back.
 
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Gr8grace

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1 John 1:7

Colossians 2:13

Acts 13:38-39

All means ALL.
1 John 2:2 (NASB95)
2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.


John 1:29 (NASB95)
29 The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!


1 John 3:5 (NASB95)
5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.


Hebrews 7:27 (NASB95)
27 who does not need daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people, because this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.


Hebrews 9:11–14 (NASB95)
11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;
12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He






Hebrews 10:10 (NASB95)
10 By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.


Psalm 103:10 (NASB95)
10 He has not dealt with us according to our sins,
Nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.


Isaiah 38:17 (NASB95)
17 “Lo, for my own welfare I had great bitterness;
It is You who has kept my soul from the pit of nothingness,
For You have cast all my sins behind Your back.


Psalm 103:12 (NASB95)
12 As far as the east is from the west,
So far has He removed our transgressions from us.




Isaiah 43:25 (NASB95)
25 “I, even I, am the one who wipes out your transgressions for My own sake,
And I will not remember your sins.


Jeremiah 31:34 (NASB95)
34 “They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”


Micah 7:19 (NASB95)
19 He will again have compassion on us;
He will tread our iniquities under foot.
Yes, You will cast all their sins
Into the depths of the sea.




























 

Budman

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Skinski7, when will you get it through your head?

God will chasten His children for disobedience, even to the point of taking them home, but our sins are no longer a salvation issue.

That was completely settled at the cross.

Tell me - were all sins forgiven at the cross - or not?

If they weren't all forgiven, then who pays for them? You? Me?

If only Jesus can pay for the sins of man - then doesn't that mean He would have to go back to the cross to pay for any sins not covered the first time?
 

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skinski preaches a version of something called pelagianism . I encourage everyone debating( correcting ) him to google it up. Sparkman pointed this out a while back.
That explains a lot. Thank you.

Pelagianism is the belief that original sin did not taint human nature and that mortal will is still capable of choosing good or evil without special Divine aid. Pelagius taught that the human will, as created with its abilities by God, was sufficient to live a sinless life, although he believed that God's grace assisted every good work. Pelagianism has come to be identified with the view, (whether Pelagius agreed or not), that human beings can earn salvation by their own efforts. This theological theory is named after the British monk Pelagius (354–420 or 440), although he denied, at least at some point in his life, many of the doctrines associated with his name.

from:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelagianism
 
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1 John 1:7

Colossians 2:13

Acts 13:38-39

All means ALL.
Not a single one of those verses state that Jesus paid your sin debt in full.

Anyone can reference a verse and pretend it says anything they want.


Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Not a single word in 1Jn 1:7 about Jesus paying any penalty in full. It speaks of the blood of Jesus cleansing one from all sin.

Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Not a single word in Col 2:13 about Jesus paying any penalty in full. It speaks of how a Christian is quickened (made alive) from their previous dead state and that their sins are forgiven.

Act 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
Act 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

There is not a single word in Act 13:38-39 about Jesus paying any penalty in full. It speaks of the forgiveness of sins being connected to believing in Jesus as opposed to the law bringing justification.

Of course the law could never bring justification because it can only reform the external man, not the heart. It is faith that God reckons as righteousness and it is through abiding in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ that our faith works by love whereby we uphold true righteousness.


Isn't it interesting how one can ask where the Bible teaches "debt paid in full by Jesus" and not a single person can provide anything of substance. People even go so far as to reference Bible passages that say no such thing.

This religion of "debt paid in full by Jesus" is not remotely connected to the Jesus of the Bible, nor is it connected to anything the Bible actually teaches.
 
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1 John 2:2 (NASB95)
2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.


John 1:29 (NASB95)
29 The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!


1 John 3:5 (NASB95)
5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.


Hebrews 7:27 (NASB95)
27 who does not need daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people, because this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.


Hebrews 9:11–14 (NASB95)
11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;
12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He






Hebrews 10:10 (NASB95)
10 By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.


Psalm 103:10 (NASB95)
10 He has not dealt with us according to our sins,
Nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.


Isaiah 38:17 (NASB95)
17 “Lo, for my own welfare I had great bitterness;
It is You who has kept my soul from the pit of nothingness,
For You have cast all my sins behind Your back.


Psalm 103:12 (NASB95)
12 As far as the east is from the west,
So far has He removed our transgressions from us.




Isaiah 43:25 (NASB95)
25 “I, even I, am the one who wipes out your transgressions for My own sake,
And I will not remember your sins.


Jeremiah 31:34 (NASB95)
34 “They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”


Micah 7:19 (NASB95)
19 He will again have compassion on us;
He will tread our iniquities under foot.
Yes, You will cast all their sins
Into the depths of the sea.




























Again, not a single verse which says that Jesus paid any kind of sin debt in full.
 

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Skinski7, are you a Christian? lol How can you deny the Gospel? You are attacking one of the very foundations of the Christian belief that Jesus Christ paid the price of sin, in full. How else would you be deemed righteous if his righteousness were not imputed to you and your sins to Him? As Adam's sin was imputed to man, so our sins were imputed to Christ. And then Jesus Christ imputed His righteousness to us, we indeed, are the righteousness of God in Jesus Christ.
 

Budman

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Not a single one of those verses state that Jesus paid your sin debt in full.

Definition of ALL = since you don't seem to understand what the word means:


"The whole, every, the whole number, every one, everything, entire, total amount"

In other words: FULL

You lose. Try again.
 
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Again, not a single verse which says that Jesus paid any kind of sin debt in full.
And it is funny..................you don't have one verse that says "Jesus Christ did not pay any kind of sin debt in full."

1 John 2:2 says He did. It is only you that says it does not.


BUT...............give us a verse that says(exactly) Jesus Christ did not pay any kind of sin debt in full.
 

Budman

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Again, not a single verse which says that Jesus paid any kind of sin debt in full.

Jesus is "...the propitiation for our sins: And not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." (1 John 2:2)

Now, unless there's another planet you want to talk about - you just got shot down again.