On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets

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phil112

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Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
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For you sabbath keepers, for you law lovers, this is what you don't get by following the law:
Firefighters Had to Abruptly Leave Costco on an Emergency Call. When They Went Back to Pay, This Note Was Waiting for Them. | Video | TheBlaze.com

Read this story. Notice no one is concerned about breaking any law. Notice no one is cautioning the others on the ten commandments or breaking the sabbath.
 
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phil112 said:
For you sabbath keepers, for you law lovers, this is what you don't get by following the law:
Firefighters Had to Abruptly Leave Costco on an Emergency Call. When They Went Back to Pay, This Note Was Waiting for Them. | Video | TheBlaze.com

Read this story. Notice no one is concerned about breaking any law. Notice no one is cautioning the others on the ten commandments or breaking the sabbath.
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Even if you're a Sabbath/Torah keeper, there's nothing wrong morally or Scripturally in doing what they did. In fact, it's encouraged.
 
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I'm still wondering where the profits come in.
 
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Ah, so picking up someone else's tab does away with the Sabbath?
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Or running out of a store to help people.

(Depending on who Phil is using as an example)
 
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LUKE 14:5.

Which of you shall have an ass or an ox
fall into a pit, and will not straightway
pull him out on the Sabbath Day?
 
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phil112 said:
For you sabbath keepers, for you law lovers, this is what you don't get by following the law:
Firefighters Had to Abruptly Leave Costco on an Emergency Call. When They Went Back to Pay, This Note Was Waiting for Them. | Video | TheBlaze.com

Read this story. Notice no one is concerned about breaking any law. Notice no one is cautioning the others on the ten commandments or breaking the sabbath.
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What does it have to do with Sabbath keeping? Are you just looking for any opportunity to speak against the law?
 
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chubbena said:
What does it have to do with Sabbath keeping? Are you just looking for any opportunity to speak against the law?
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Probably just trying to stir up a hornet's nest that's already by stirred up, knocked to the ground, stepped on, and thrown into the trash can countless times already.
 
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phil112 said:
For you sabbath keepers, for you law lovers, this is what you don't get by following the law:
Firefighters Had to Abruptly Leave Costco on an Emergency Call. When They Went Back to Pay, This Note Was Waiting for Them. | Video | TheBlaze.com

Read this story. Notice no one is concerned about breaking any law. Notice no one is cautioning the others on the ten commandments or breaking the sabbath.
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Scripture tells us the truth, and it tells us that man does not tell us the truth. Man tells us that we are not to follow law, scripture says we are to follow law. If you go to the Hebrew or Greek roots of the words that we read as law, none of them mean law. When God gave the ten commandments, the Hebrews does not mean commandment, it means that God gave the "word". When God gave the Torah, that word does not mean law, it means instructions.

Man uses all sort of excuses. There is no instruction the Lord gives us that does not have as a base to love. So man says that cancels "law". It doesn't. It tells us the base. There are many man made excuses to ignore all God instructions for how we are to live with harmony and abundance, but each one is man made, not God made.

The biggest excuse is that law doesn't save us, and that is the truth, we are not made such God's we can create our own salvation. But it is man made that we should only obey to be saved.
 
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See how the heresy invades further. Time is coming soon. The Church is forgetting what the law is. Just as God made Himself, a spirit flesh, so also did He make the law, which is letter, into spirit. As a spirit He spoke the letter, as a man He revealed the Spirit.

The Church is moving backwards.
 
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The previous said against the mentality of those who keep defending the law whose glory could not save us; but the glory of liberty in Christ is the means by which the Lord works through us to our salvation and those with whom we fellowship. And the fellowship not of the building, but of the freedom of movement. For what obligates does not give credit, but that which is cheerfully given is received in reward.
 
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KohenMatt said:
Even if you're a Sabbath/Torah keeper, there's nothing wrong morally or Scripturally in doing what they did. In fact, it's encouraged.
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Their actions is what love is all about. They did absolutely nothing that Christ would fault them for.

The law doesn't put in your heart what these people have in theirs.
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us
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You people don't have that love. You don't get that tug at your heartstring when you hear of someone helping others out of love. Your whole hope of eternal salvation is predicated on keeping the part of the law you are fond of. Because you surely can't keep it all.

All this tells me is that you don't know the working of the Spirit. You don't have, as Paul said in the scripture from Romans I quoted, the love of God shed abroad in your heart. That is the work of the Spirit, not only do you not understand it, you jump on me for bringing scripture to remind you you are worshipping in vain.

This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. [SUP] [/SUP]But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
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phil112 said:
You people don't have that love. You don't get that tug at your heartstring when you hear of someone helping others out of love. Your whole hope of eternal salvation is predicated on keeping the part of the law you are fond of. Because you surely can't keep it all.

All this tells me is that you don't know the working of the Spirit. You don't have, as Paul said in the scripture from Romans I quoted, the love of God shed abroad in your heart. That is the work of the Spirit, not only do you not understand it, you jump on me for bringing scripture to remind you you are worshipping in vain.
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You people is not very nice, your manners are pure mean, and you think you have the right to judge to. sorry but there is noway your called to say how anyone can be, i would advice you to grow up get a life and let people be.
 
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phil112 said:
Their actions is what love is all about. They did absolutely nothing that Christ would fault them for.
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Exactly. Thus, there is no breaking of the Sabbath.

phil112 said:
The law doesn't put in your heart what these people have in theirs.
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Leviticus 19:18 "You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the Lord."

Leviticus 19:34 "The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt; I am the Lord your God."

Deuteronomy 10:19 "So show your love for the alien, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt."

I find it a bit ironic that you would reference the love that is naturally in their hearts when there is no mention of any of them being believers, which could lead us to believe that that kind of love is inherent to humans. Which means humans who follow the Law still have that inherent love in their hearts too.

phil112 said:
You people don't have that love. You don't get that tug at your heartstring when you hear of someone helping others out of love. Your whole hope of eternal salvation is predicated on keeping the part of the law you are fond of. Because you surely can't keep it all.
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Can you read every Law-keepers heart and mind? That's a pretty bold judgment to apply to all Law-Keepers.

I would be cautious in throwing out generalized references like "you people" regarding people's hearts towards others and their love relationship with God.

But as for myself, you are completely and utterly wrong.


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All this tells me is that you don't know the working of the Spirit. You don't have, as Paul said in the scripture from Romans I quoted, the love of God shed abroad in your heart. That is the work of the Spirit, not only do you not understand it, you jump on me for bringing scripture to remind you you are worshipping in vain.
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I would encourage you to do a simple word search on the word "love" in the Law, and see how God views people's love for Him in relationship to the Law, and then tell me if the Law is absent of sincere love for God.


But again, as for myself, you are completely and utterly wrong.

Peace,
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phil112 said:
You people don't have that love. You don't get that tug at your heartstring when you hear of someone helping others out of love. Your whole hope of eternal salvation is predicated on keeping the part of the law you are fond of. Because you surely can't keep it all.


All this tells me is that you don't know the working of the Spirit. You don't have, as Paul said in the scripture from Romans I quoted, the love of God shed abroad in your heart. That is the work of the Spirit, not only do you not understand it, you jump on me for bringing scripture to remind you you are worshipping in vain.
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We are all on a spiritual journey this is not an us against them situation we believe that Jesus is our only salvation God is our judge. In this journey of life it is All of us with Jesus power against the powers of darkness/satan. Last time I checked we should be on the same side if we call ourselves Christian brothers and sisters.

Do you know each of us personally to make such rash judgments? The ones who respect God's laws and believe they are still valid?
 
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phil112 said:
You people don't have that love. You don't get that tug at your heartstring when you hear of someone helping others out of love. Your whole hope of eternal salvation is predicated on keeping the part of the law you are fond of. Because you surely can't keep it all.
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And you are sure you know what is in my heart or the heart of other "Law Keepers"? Since we are admonished to do this...

Mat 6:1 "Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them. Otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven.
Mat 6:2 Therefore, when you do a charitable deed, do not sound a trumpet before you as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory from men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward.
Mat 6:3 But when you do a charitable deed, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
Mat 6:4 that your charitable deed may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will Himself reward you openly.

Many of us "Law Keepers" have done much that you know nothing about and we prefer it that way.
 
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