Once a person is sealed by the Holy Spirit, can this seal be broken?

[JesusistheChrist]

18for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father.

John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.


1 Corinthians 12:13
For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body--whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free--and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.

Ephesians 4:4
There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called;



We don't scare you, the truth does if any...

What do any of those verses have to do with when the Spirit was first given?

Nothing?

That's what I thought.

I had it right...YOU scare me in that you cannot hear the truth...and Jesus explained exactly why that is in John chapter 8.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

I remember getting Romans Railroaded many times as a kid and teenager. I now understand Romans to be the book of GRACE and not the book of SIN as the Romans road to salvation teaches.

I knew you were going here...must be the Spirit working within and upon me that told me that...

Whatever you do, don't blame the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth, for your error. Thanks. Now, would you like to answer any of my questions or not?

 

[The_highwayman]

I've already asked you if you want to take a walk with me down "The Romans Road" or not?

At the risk of really upsetting a lot of people, I am going to say this....

The Romans Road to salvation is about scaring people into getting saved and is about as effective in presenting the Gospel to the lost as the Navy putting screen doors on submarine's.

It cherry picks and takes certain verses out of Romans out of context and presents an angry God bent on destroying man for his SIN and you are hopeless against this rage.

The spirit behind Romans Road is refuted by John 3.16, Romans 2.4 & Proverbs 16.6 and Romans chapters 1-9.

I just love how Romans 3.23 is presents in Romans railroad er sorry Romans Road.

If you want to scare people into getting saved and insure they do not fully repent and lead them straight to hell, by all means hit them hard with Romans Railroad to salvation.

God says he is not slack concerning his promise, but that all men should come into repentance and that none perish.

It is God's goodness that leads men to repent and iniquity is purged by mercy and truth, not by some bookmark with 3 cherry picked verses that scare people into salvation and let's the holder of the bookmark give grand testimonies on Sunday night service how they got 1,234,126 people saved that day, by readin people Romans road.

 

[ELECT]

Yes, AS A MATTER OF FACT, he did:

"Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?" (Isaiah 63:11)

Well, it's A MATTER OF FACT for those who us who actually believe the scriptures, that is.

[h=1]Numbers 11:17-25King James Version (KJV)[/h]17 And I will come down and talk with thee there: and I will take of the spirit which is upon thee, and will put it upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with thee, that thou bear it not thyself alone.

 

[The_highwayman]

What do any of those verses have to do with when the Spirit was first given?

Nothing?

That's what I thought.

I had it right...YOU scare me in that you cannot hear the truth...and Jesus explained exactly why that is in John chapter 8.

Acts 2 is what I had in mind, but I see you are far too super spiritual for that truth.

 

[Brainfreeze]

Yes, AS A MATTER OF FACT, he did:

"Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?" (Isaiah 63:11)

Well, it's A MATTER OF FACT for those who us who actually believe the scriptures, that is.

Again, there are seven Spirits of YAHWEH...they're all Holy..

Isaiah 11:2 - And the spirit of the YAHWEH shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the YAHWEH;

16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

 

[ELECT]

Numbers 14:24
But my servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him, and hath followed me fully, him will I bring into the land whereinto he went; and his seed shall possess it.

 

[ELECT]

Again, there are seven Spirits of YAHWEH...they're all Holy..

Isaiah 11:2 - And the spirit of the YAHWEH shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the YAHWEH;

16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

One Holy Spirit with different gifts or functions

Exodus 31 King James Version (KJV)

31 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
2 See, I have called by name Bezaleel the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah:
3And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,
4 To devise cunning works, to work in gold, and in silver, and in brass,
5 And in cutting of stones, to set them, and in carving of timber, to work in all manner of workmanship.
6 And I, behold, I have given with him Aholiab, the son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan: and in the hearts of all that are wise hearted I have put wisdom, that they may make all that I have commanded thee;

Jesus had 2 spirits did he not both were Holy yet the holy human spirit could not do the works of the Father

 

[JesusistheChrist]

Do you think that by citing verses which state that the Holy Spirit was "in" them negates the fact that the new birth was not available until the age of grace? I will remain unwise in YOUR eyes.

There's no such thing as "the age of grace"...at least not in the manner which you're suggesting. God's grace has been available since the beginning of time in that Jesus is "as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world" (I Peter 1:19-20). IOW, those who lived on the other side of the cross looked forward to Christ's Passion and we who are on this side of the cross look back to the same. In either case, our faith in what Christ would accomplish or did accomplish is accounted unto us for righteousness. If not, then how was Abraham saved? Again, Jesus said that WE MUST BE BORN AGAIN to enter into the kingdom of God, didn't He? Yes, He most certainly did. Well, since you're insisting that no Old Testament saints were born again (and I could easily prove this error of yours as well and I suppose that I eventually will), you're insisting that people like Abraham, WHO IS THE FATHER OF US ALL AND THE FATHER OF ALL THEM THAT BELIEVE (Romans 4:11, 16), isn't even saved.

Poor guy...I had such high hopes for him until you came along with your HERESY.

I'll get to some more of your error later. Right now, I have other things to take care of.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

At the risk of really upsetting a lot of people, I am going to say this....

The Romans Road to salvation is about scaring people into getting saved and is about as effective in presenting the Gospel to the lost as the Navy putting screen doors on submarine's.

It cherry picks and takes certain verses out of Romans out of context and presents an angry God bent on destroying man for his SIN and you are hopeless against this rage.

The spirit behind Romans Road is refuted by John 3.16, Romans 2.4 & Proverbs 16.6 and Romans chapters 1-9.

I just love how Romans 3.23 is presents in Romans railroad er sorry Romans Road.

If you want to scare people into getting saved and insure they do not fully repent and lead them straight to hell, by all means hit them hard with Romans Railroad to salvation.

God says he is not slack concerning his promise, but that all men should come into repentance and that none perish.

It is God's goodness that leads men to repent and iniquity is purged by mercy and truth, not by some bookmark with 3 cherry picked verses that scare people into salvation and let's the holder of the bookmark give grand testimonies on Sunday night service how they got 1,234,126 people saved that day, by readin people Romans road.

Are you finished with your speech that was so far removed from what I was actually going to address in Romans that to try to pass it off as having been "Spirit inspired" is borderline blasphemy?

Anyhow, from what I just read, I can see that you, like several others here, have seemingly ripped about half of the pages out of your Bibles to your own potential destruction.

To each his/her own, I guess.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Also, you would be wise to study the word "pisteuō" which is translated as "believeth" in such places as John 3:16 (and a whole host of other places as well) in the original Greek. The Greek word used is a PRESENT TENSE VERB which denotes CONTINUAL OR CONTINUOUS BELIEVING. IOW, again, one can STOP BELIEVING...even as many scriptures teach. For example, we read:

Hebrews chapter 3

[1] Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
[2] Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.
[3] For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.
[4] For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.
[5] And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;
[6] But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

We cannot hold fast to CONFIDENCE NOR REJOICING LOOKING FORWARD TO THE HOPE of the resurrection and eternal life if we are in FEAR of loosing our salvation.

[7] Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
[8] Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
[9] When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
[10] Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
[11] So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
[12] Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
[13] But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
[14] For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Again there is NO confidence in FEAR. I remember to this day when I first believed - that was the beginning of my confidence and it is still stedfast within me because when God told me I was seated in heavenly places and that I am a joint heir with Christ - I believe him . . . I am fully persuaded that he will keep me and that he knows those that are his - so through patience in the scripture and though living in this evil world around me - I have confidence that God keeps his promises. Beloved NOW are we the sons of God . . .

[15] While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
[16] For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
[17] But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
[18] And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
[19] So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest - to them that believed NOT . . . those born again of God's Spirit are his children - born again of incorruptible seed . . .

These were CHRISTIANS who were being addressed here. Yes, they were "holy brethren", "partakers of the heavenly calling" and/or those of whom "Christ Jesus" was "the Apostle and High Priest of their profession" (Hebrews 3:1). These same CHRISTIANS were admonished to "exhort one another DAILY, WHILE IT IS CALLED TODAY, lest any of them be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin" (Hebrews 3:13) or "lest there be in any of them AN EVIL HEART OF UNBELIEF IN DEPARTING FROM THE LIVING GOD" (Hebrews 3:12). Now, c'mon...is it even possible that YOU don't know what that means? Whether you or anybody else likes it or not, CHRISTIANS "are made partakers of Christ IF they hold fast the beginning of their confidence stedfast unto the end" (Hebrews 3:14) or "IF they hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end" (Hebrews 3:6). CHRIST HIMSELF taught the same when He said:

Yes we are to edify the household of God, exhorting and encouraging them to standfast IN THEIR WALK.

"And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved." (Matthew 10:22)

Again:

"And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." (Matthew 24:12-13)

Again, whether you or others like it or not, a CHRISTIAN'S "love (AGAPE) can wax or grow cold" thereby causing him/her to NOT "endure unto the end" or to NOT be saved. OSAS is a potentially damnable heresy in that it gives the believer in such a false sense of "eternal security" which could prove to be fatal in the end. Again, along these same lines, we read:

"And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;" (Colossians 1:21-23)

Again, you and others might not like the CONDITIONAL "IFS" in the Bible, but they're there for a reason and you'd be very, very unwise to ignore the same and the implications thereof.

How can my faith remain grounded and settled if I can lose my salvation? God portrays himself as "our" Father. Is it possible for me to lose my standing within a family as a son? Again, scriptures you have used DO NOT say that we lose salvation but they have more to do with our walk and being in fellowship with the Father and the Son. We have the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ - in our flesh NOPE but in that new birth - that new creation. That is what God sees when he looks at us.

Again, I'm sorry, but, in reality, you "know" no such thing. For starters, the word "given" doesn't even appear in the original Greek (check it for yourself, please). No, it was added by the translators and for this reason it appears as an italicized word:

"In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified)." (John 7:37-39)

Also, that the Holy Ghost WAS ALREADY GIVEN, in certain aspects, is quite obvious in that people in the Old Testament either had the Holy Spirit IN THEM or UPON THEM or both...even as we've both cited verses which prove the same. With such a reality before us, what was Jesus actually saying here in John 7:37-39? Well, when He said, "If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink", this immediately conjures up images of what transpired with the children of Israel during their wilderness journeys when they "thirsted".
You may recall the following:

Exodus chapter 17

[1] And all the congregation of the children of Israel journeyed from the wilderness of Sin, after their journeys, according to the commandment of the LORD, and pitched in Rephidim: and there was no water for the people to drink.
[2] Wherefore the people did chide with Moses, and said, Give us water that we may drink. And Moses said unto them, Why chide ye with me? wherefore do ye tempt the LORD?
[3] And the people thirsted there for water; and the people murmured against Moses, and said, Wherefore is this that thou hast brought us up out of Egypt, to kill us and our children and our cattle with thirst?
[4] And Moses cried unto the LORD, saying, What shall I do unto this people? they be almost ready to stone me.
[5] And the LORD said unto Moses, Go on before the people, and take with thee of the elders of Israel; and thy rod, wherewith thou smotest the river, take in thine hand, and go.
[6] Behold, I will stand before thee there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink. And Moses did so in the sight of the elders of Israel.
[7] And he called the name of the place Massah, and Meribah, because of the chiding of the children of Israel, and because they tempted the LORD, saying, Is the LORD among us, or not?

In his first epistle to the Corinthians, the Apostle Paul tells us that this "Rock which followed them was CHRIST":

I Corinthians chapter 10

[1] Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
[2] And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
[3] And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
[4] And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Yes, when God instructed Moses to "smite the rock and there shall come water out of it that the people may drink", in type, this was Christ being "smitten" and the water was representative of the outpouring of the Spirit. Jesus more than likely was alluding to this very event when He told His hearers:

"In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified)." (John 7:37-39)

IOW, in the same manner in which the outpouring of the Spirit (which was typified by the water) didn't come until AFTER the rock was smitten, so, too, there wouldn't be the outpouring of the Spirit on the day of Pentecost until AFTER Christ, the "Rock", had been similarly "smitten". IOW, Jesus was specifically talking about the outpouring of the Spirit on the day of Pentecost and He was NOT saying that "the Spirit hadn't been GIVEN" in any manner until or prior to this specific point in time. Again, we have ample examples of believers in the Old Testament who either had the Spirit IN THEM or UPON THEM.

"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you: but if I depart, I will send him unto you." John 16:7 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, . . . " John 14:26

If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believeth on me as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Spirit was NOT YET becausethat Jesus was not yet glorified.

 

[Kerry]

Look we have a free will and if we choose to go against God we will fry. The once saved always saved doctrine has been debunked many times. You cannot be a child of God if you cheat on your wife and rob steal and kill. That is not the fruits of being born again by the blood of Christ.

Some do teach this debauchery and is not what grace is intended to be. Yes Christians will sin, but when realized they will repent. Secondly adultery is not something that just happens it something you go looking for. The prisoners all agree.

How ever once you have had the love of God in your heart, it is a difficult thing to leave Him. He said I will leave the 99 and go after the one. Even to the point that a shepard having a sheep that continually went astray, that shepard would break it's leg and carry him on his shoulders till it healed and that sheep would never wander away from the shepherd again.

But if you insist and our stubborn. What did John the baptist say to the Pharisee's? You brood of vipers, who has warned you that you may escape the wrath.

It was told in the OT that jesus would speak in parables, least they hear and repent. So that having eyes they could not see and ears to hear they could not hear.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Your reasoning is somewhat shaky on many levels and in many instances, but I really have to comment on this one, which could easily be the foundation of your post, and your scholarship:

Again, I'm sorry, but, in reality, you "know" no such thing. For starters, the word "given" doesn't even appear in the original Greek (check it for yourself, please). No, it was added by the translators and for this reason it appears as an italicized word:

You are correct, but you must tell me ...

... if we remove "given," what have we?

" ... this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet ... "

What does the phrase, therefore, mean? See, what you don't understand is that, in the Greek, that is almost exactly what it says ... "for the Spirit was not yet." The Spirit was "not yet" ... He was not present. That's what it means, and whether you further explain it with a word that is not there -- be it "given" or "present" or "manifest" -- it means the same thing. The Spirit was not yet indwelling. That is obvious from the previous phrase in the same verse: " ... whom those who believed in Him were to receive ... " They had not received Him, and there is no way to try to explain it as though He had been given.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Seriously?

You HONESTLY believe that Peter was referring to New Testament prophets?

Let's try this again:

I Peter chapter 1

[9] Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
[10] Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
[11] Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
[12] Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

What is it about "who PROPHESIED OF THE GRACE THAT SHOULD COME TO YOU" (IOW, they foretold of the same BEFORE it came), "testified BEFOREHAND the sufferings of Christ" (or prophesied of the same BEFORE IT HAPPENED) and "NOT UNTO THEMSELVES, BUT UNTO US" that you don't understand?

Like it or not, the Old Testament prophets had the Spirit of Christ IN THEM. Period.

I'll get to some more of your egregious error later as this post in long enough already. In the interim, you really ought to humble yourself before the Lord because you're way off base on a whole host of things and it's not the Spirit of Christ that's leading you in that manner. I'm sorry to have to be so blunt, but I'm not just going to sit here as you spread your error all over the place. IOW, I'm trying to help both you and those who might be misled by the same.

1 Peter 1:10,11 These OT prophets diligently searched the word for the time lapse between the Gospels and the Book of Revelation, i.e. between the suffering of Christ and his glory.

This period of grace is indicated by Jesus' reading of Isaiah 61 which is recorded in Luke.

Luke 4:16-21And he [Jesus] came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the book [scroll] of the prophet Esaias [Isaiah]. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written. The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Jesus stopped reading with the phrase, "to preach the acceptable year of the Lord", Isaiah 61:2 says: To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God. Jesus stopped at that little comma - that little comma holds the time between "the acceptable year of the Lord, and the "day of vengeance of our God". The time from the day of Pentecost until the time the Lord Jesus Christ will come again. The intervening time is the age of grace, the mystery [secret] that was hid until it was revealed by Paul who received it by revelation of Jesus Christ - the body of Christ, the church.

Romans 16:25,26 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets [NT prophets] according to he commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith.

Ephesians 3:2-5 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit.

Ephesians 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things . . . .

Colossians 1:26,27 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: to whom God would make known what is he riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

There's no such thing as "the age of grace"...at least not in the manner which you're suggesting. God's grace has been available since the beginning of time in that Jesus is "as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world" (I Peter 1:19-20). IOW, those who lived on the other side of the cross looked forward to Christ's Passion and we who are on this side of the cross look back to the same. In either case, our faith in what Christ would accomplish or did accomplish is accounted unto us for righteousness. If not, then how was Abraham saved? Again, Jesus said that WE MUST BE BORN AGAIN to enter into the kingdom of God, didn't He? Yes, He most certainly did. Well, since you're insisting that no Old Testament saints were born again (and I could easily prove this error of yours as well and I suppose that I eventually will), you're insisting that people like Abraham, WHO IS THE FATHER OF US ALL AND THE FATHER OF ALL THEM THAT BELIEVE (Romans 4:11, 16), isn't even saved.

Poor guy...I had such high hopes for him until you came along with your HERESY.

I'll get to some more of your error later. Right now, I have other things to take care of.

If ye have heard of the dispensation [administration] of the grace of God which is given to me [Paul] to you-ward . . .

No, I am not saying that Abraham isn't saved -

Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Galatians 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness and he was called the Friend of God.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Yes, AS A MATTER OF FACT, he did:

"Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?" (Isaiah 63:11)

Well, it's A MATTER OF FACT for those who us who actually believe the scriptures, that is.

Numbers 11:16,17,25,26,29

And the LORD said unto Moses, Gather unto me seventy men of the elders of Israel, whom thou knowest to be the elders of the people, and officers over them; and bring them unto the tabernacle of the congregation, that they may stand there with thee. And I will come down and talk with thee there: and I will take of the spirit which is upon thee, and will put it upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with thee, that thou bear it not thyself alone.

And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied and did not cease. But there remained two of the men in the camp the name of the one was Eldad, and the name of the other Medad: and the spirit rested upon them; . . . .

And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD's people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!

I also believe scripture. We both quoted scripture - which is the truth? Could there have been something in the translation? Why would God say "upon" in some places and "within" in others in the OT?

Then in the gospels Jesus teaches that he had to go away for the Comforter to come - the Comforter being the Holy Spirit - but NOT YET because he was not glorified. - I believe that the new birth is when the Spirit comes and lives "within" a person.

 

[Angela53510]

Did the 5 foolish virgins once had God Holy Spirit ?

This is a parable. It has nothing to do with being sealed by the Holy Spirit!

 

[Angela53510]

Could you provide scripture that God does not take away His Spirit ?

Psalm 51:10-12King James Version (KJV)

10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

Seriously, Dude! Do you know anything about covenants, about hermeneutics?

You are twisting Scripture to suit your ridiculous manmade religion.


We do NOT save ourselves by our works, but rather God chooses us and we become his children. That is not revokable!

"But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God," John 1:12

 

[BradC]

"Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise." (Hebrews 10:35-36)

Like it or not, we need to "show diligence to the full assurance of hope UNTO THE END" that "through faith and patience" we might "inherit the promises" and, like it or not, we can "cast away our confidence" thereby never "receiving the promises".

Then you need to explain why those mentioned in (Heb 11) according to the scriptures are testified of in this manner...

39 And all of these, though they won divine approval by [means of] their faith, did not receive the fulfillment of what was promised,
40 Because God had us in mind and had something better and greater in view for us, so that they [these heroes and heroines of faith] should not come to perfection apart from us [before we could join them].

...and they were not all pristine men and woman without fault or personal sin and that includes Sampson and also Rahab the harlot. In (Heb 10:35) casting not away your confidence had its rewards and there will be some who will suffer the loss of rewards, yet be saved as by fire (1 Cor 3:15). The NT believer is sealed (a seal of ownership - purchased possession) with the Holy Spirit of promise (Eph 1:13) which is the earnest of our inheritance (v.14) unto the day of redemption (Eph 4:30), when we receive our new glorified bodies like unto His. It is a permanent seal and mark that sets apart the believer and it came by faith through the activity of God when the individual believed and its a fact that can not be reversed because it is a divine imputation (aorist, passive, indicative).

 

[ChristIsGod]

Seriously, Dude! Do you know anything about covenants, about hermeneutics?

You are twisting Scripture to suit your ridiculous manmade religion.


We do NOT save ourselves by our works, but rather God chooses us and we become his children. That is not revokable!

"But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God," John 1:12

Well, the elect 'will' persevere, as in obedience to His Word by His Spirit [Rom 8 style] and are sealed - and the 'elect' are eternally secure - but we just see whom God "chooses" differently.

My difference with some type of 'random selection' of sorts is posted here -> http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...oly-spirit-can-seal-broken-6.html#post1828852
and because TULIP on it's own, cancels out ALL freewill, Sister in Christ - giving Christ an automaton for a "Bride".

Rev 19:7 Let us be gladG5463 andG2532 rejoice,G21 andG2532 giveG1325 honourG1391 to him:G846 forG3754 theG3588 marriageG1062 of theG3588 LambG721 is come,G2064 andG2532 hisG848 wifeG1135 hath made herself ready.G2090 G1438


Matthew 22:1-14.

And to the 5 foolish virgins He said, Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
To others, He said, "I never knew you" - same difference.

And to others: Joh 10:26-30 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
I and my Father are one. [εiς]

That's the difference and why this debate will go on until He returns.