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kathryn

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Gr8grace said:
He is in heaven now. Old testament saints went to a compartment in hades called paradise. After the death of our great Lord and savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, He had his great ascension and led the saints into Heaven.

Heaven wasn't opened to mankind until a MAN was glorified........the unique person of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Eph 4:8~~New American Standard Bible
Therefore it says, "WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVE A HOST OF CAPTIVES, AND HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN."
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That's a quick adjustment lol
 
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Gr8grace said:
He is in heaven now. Old testament saints went to a compartment in hades called paradise. After the death of our great Lord and savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, He had his great ascension and led the saints into Heaven.

Heaven wasn't opened to mankind until a MAN was glorified........the unique person of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Eph 4:8~~New American Standard Bible
Therefore it says, "WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVE A HOST OF CAPTIVES, AND HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN."
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That verse refers to the public triumphs of the Romans, in which captives were led in chains, and exposed to open view. It has nothing to do with leading saints to heaven, and everything to do with triumphing over satan.
 
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Gr8grace said:
He is in heaven now. Old testament saints went to a compartment in hades called paradise. After the death of our great Lord and savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, He had his great ascension and led the saints into Heaven.

Heaven wasn't opened to mankind until a MAN was glorified........the unique person of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Eph 4:8~~New American Standard Bible
Therefore it says, "WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVE A HOST OF CAPTIVES, AND HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN."
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For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first 1Thes4:16

Who are the dead in Christ who will rise at his coming if christians are already in heaven?
 
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Same thing

Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. Ephesians 4:8

[And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Colossians 2:15​
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
That verse refers to the public triumphs of the Romans, in which captives were led in chains, and exposed to open view. It has nothing to do with leading saints to heaven, and everything to do with triumphing over satan.
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I agree with you my friend. He completely emptied hades and His royal procession included satan and the fallen angels in chains. He defeated satan and put him on display.

BUT His royal procession included Old testament saints and they were on display also.

Ps 68:18New American Standard Bible
You have ascended on high, You have led captive Your captives; You have received gifts among men, Even among the rebellious also, that the LORD God may dwell there.

MAT 27:52-53, and the tombs were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many.
 
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For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
But each in his own turn. Christ, the first fruits, THEN when he comes those who belong to him
1cor15:22&23
 
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No one can come to me unless the father draws him, and I will raise him up at the LAST DAY
John 6:44
 
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No one can come to me unless the father draws him, and I will raise him up at the LAST DAY
John 6:44
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At the Bema seat of Christ..........we(believers) get our glorified, resurrected physical bodies.kathryn is going to be super kathryn.;)
 
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kathryn said:
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first 1Thes4:16

Who are the dead in Christ who will rise at his coming if christians are already in heaven?
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The Christians in heaven come back with Jesus to be united with their new bodies made like unto His resurrected body. They rise first because they have 6 feet farther to go. We who are alive are changed to our new bodies and ascend with Christ. We meet Him in the air.

For the cause of Christ
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to correct this muslims think they are behind jesus. or so i have been told face to face. (in the 2nd coming)
the only problem they and so many religion s have, is there is no jewish in the christain bible now. saved by grace means all. hence what paul said no jew or gentile, saved by law, but saved by promise. hence grace.

yet grace of god through jesus, never happened in the gospels. ie jesus was back in heaven.

so all religion connected to the torah, need jesus. lol i know ironic, but still in truth.

how can the truth set you free, and what would it set you free from.

yet history or time proves it. (prophet )lol
 
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notuptome said:
The Christians in heaven come back with Jesus to be united with their new bodies made like unto His resurrected body. They rise first because they have 6 feet farther to go. We who are alive are changed to our new bodies and ascend with Christ. We meet Him in the air.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Yup,exactly,spot on.
 
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notuptome said:
The Christians in heaven come back with Jesus to be united with their new bodies made like unto His resurrected body. They rise first because they have 6 feet farther to go. We who are alive are changed to our new bodies and ascend with Christ. We meet Him in the air.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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I'm gonna have this post framed and put on my living room wall!
 
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RickyZ said:
This is a joke, right?

Please tell me you're kidding...
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Who said there is no humor in the bible?

Perhaps I've taken just a little liberty with the text. Especially in light of the fact it all takes place in the twinkling of an eye.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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notuptome said:
The Christians in heaven come back with Jesus to be united with their new bodies made like unto His resurrected body. They rise first because they have 6 feet farther to go. We who are alive are changed to our new bodies and ascend with Christ. We meet Him in the air.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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So the Christians who have been in heaven with Christ, come back with him. They then go six foot under into their graves to pick up their new body, then return to meet the Lord in the air?

I could ask why their new body is waiting in their coffin, but I will pass on that
 
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Gr8grace said:
At the Bema seat of Christ..........we(believers) get our glorified, resurrected physical bodies.kathryn is going to be super kathryn.;)
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Roger wrote the christians in heaven come back with Jesus to be united with their new bodies, you endorsed the post. He said they have six feet further to rise than anyone else so they rise first. So where is the bema seat? In peoples coffins?
 
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