Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

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HeIsHere said:
Salvation is based upon believing ON/IN the one who saves (Christ Jesus) and His work.... and that His work is completely efficacious/sufficient to save.

Otherwise what exactly are you trusting Jesus For?
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Exactly, what is one trusting Him for?
 
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ResidentAlien said:
Theological double-talk that allows you to avoid accountability. It's understandable why people fall for it.
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I appreciate your perspective but everyone is held accountable. The unrepentant in the lake of fire and the redeemed through loss of possible eternal reward. Further, all who sin in this life are subject to the chastened hand of God.
I do have a question for you: did Jesus die for all your sins or just those before you were saved?
 
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Cameron143 said:
I appreciate your perspective but everyone is held accountable. The unrepentant in the lake of fire and the redeemed through loss of possible eternal reward. Further, all who sin in this life are subject to the chastened hand of God.
I do have a question for you: did Jesus die for all your sins or just those before you were saved?
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If you think about it God gives us what we seek throughout our time of freedom.

If we seek to be with Him (not just in words), we will be with Him.

But if we don't, we will be separated from Him, because God respects our decisions.
 
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ResidentAlien said:
Theological double-talk that allows you to avoid accountability. It's understandable why people fall for it.
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Actually it is a huge challenges to cease from dead works, pride stands in the way, that is why the road is broad.

Pride >>>> I need to be accountable for my own salvation, put me on the cross and take Jesus down please.:rolleyes::cry:
 
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KostasLT said:
But if we don't repent before a certain time, there will be no U-turn.
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There is only one repentance to receive the gift of eternal life.

Repentance means to changes one mind, away from one thing/view towards another. Perhaps you mean feel sorry?

Where is that in scripture?
 
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Actually it is a huge challenges to cease from dead works, pride stands in the way, that is way is broad.

Pride >>>> I need to be accountable for my own salvation, put me on the cross and take Jesus down please.:rolleyes::cry:
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Christ is now on the throne.

It is up to us if we want to be with or without Him.
 
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HeIsHere said:
Actually it is a huge challenges to cease from dead works, pride stands in the way, that is way is broad.

Pride >>>> I need to be accountable for my own salvation, put me on the cross and take Jesus down please.:rolleyes::cry:
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I disagree, but I know better than to enter into an endless and futile debate.
 
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He is telling the gentile church to not be puffed up. That God did not spare Israel. And let them be captured.
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Were the Israelites that stumbled going to heaven if they died broken off from Jesus?

John 15:6
If anyone does not remain in Me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers. Such branches are gathered up, thrown into the fire, and burned. .

Romans 11:19-20
You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” That is correct: They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid.


And can what happened to them happen to the gentiles that were already grafted in?

Romans 11:21
For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will certainly not spare you either

That is why it matters.
 
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KostasLT said:
Christ is now on the throne.

It is up to us if we want to be with or without Him.
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You have one thing to do, cease from dead works and trust in Him and His work on your behalf.

When you do He will give you the gift of eternal life.

It is the narrow gate, but few find it because they cannot lay down their human pride, rather they prefer to trust in their own works.
 
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HeIsHere said:
There is only one repentance to receive the gift of eternal life.

Repentance means to changes one mind, away from one thing/view towards another. Perhaps you mean feel sorry?

Where is that in scripture?
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But this repentance needs to be constant. Otherwise the gift will be revoked.

Do you know what's hell right?
 
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ResidentAlien said:
I disagree, but I know better than to enter into an endless and futile debate.
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LOL, there is no debate.

OSAS is the Gospel, there is no way around it, otherwise it is not Good News.

You cannot save yourself.
 
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KostasLT said:
But this repentance needs to be constant. Otherwise the gift will be revoked.

Do you know what's hell right?
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That would be incorrect.

Jesus conquered death and hell

“O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?”

According to your theory we are still without a Saviour, there is only the old Adam.
 
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ResidentAlien said:
Exactly, what is one trusting Him for?
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One is trusting Him for the free gift of salvation, He paid the debt in full, are you trusting Him?

If you do not believe it you cannot receive it, we come to Him on His terms >>>> Narrow gate.
 
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HeIsHere said:
You have one thing to do, cease from dead works and trust in Him and His work on your behalf.

When you do He will give you the gift of eternal life.

It is the narrow gate, but few find it because they cannot lay down their human pride, rather they prefer to trust in their own works.
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Faith without works is dead.

HeIsHere said:
That would be incorrect.

Jesus conquered death and hell

“O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?”

According to your theory we are still without a Saviour, there is only the old Adam.
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Christ conquered death and hell.

But God leaves us the freedom to pick if we want a future with or without Him. And this is a constant decision. We have to pick one of two every day, every hour and every second. Not just once.
 
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KostasLT said:
Faith without works is dead.
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This means faith that is not being exercised/in operation after one is saved is not being put to good use for the benefit of society.

James was addressing his Jewish brethren in Christ.
 
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HeIsHere said:
This means faith that is not being exercised/in operation after one is saved is not being put to good use for the benefit of society.

James was addressing his Jewish brethren in Christ.
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Can one be justified by faith alone without deeds?

James 2:24
As you can see, a man is justified by his deeds and not by faith alone.
 
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