Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

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cv5 said:
The thing is.....we sinners have NO IDEA in comprehending (let alone "counting" like doing sums on an abacus) each and every one of our sins day in and day out. There is NO realistic capacity to repent of every one of them.

Martin Luther tried though. He really did.
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The Lord's Prayer covers all sins and if that isn't enough David said forgive the things I have forgotten and cannot remember. Bring them to my attention.

I think we can confess our sins by the example we have from the Word of God.
 
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PennEd said:
Doesn't in the slightest negate that it is Jesus that keeps us saved, NOT our ability to trust Him that keeps us saved.
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You seem to have a skewed idea of what faith is. It's not something we do, it's something we don't do.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
1)Grace is only a time period for the Gentiles.
2) Once the time of the Gentiles have been fulfilled there will be no more Grace.
3)Those who sin without remorse are not trying to be like Christ. Paul had remorse.
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1) Disagree. God's grace is seen even during the 7 year tribulation. People are being redeemed then also. Church has been raptured though and the Church age has ended. So it is a different "salvation economy" if you will.

2) I think you actually mean "the Church age". "Times of the gentiles" is actually a term related to judgement upon Israel.

3) Basically agree.
 
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ResidentAlien said:
You seem to have a skewed idea of what faith is. It's not something we do, it's something we don't do.
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I think it may be better stated: it is something we ARE. We ARE people of faith, like faithful Abraham.

Gal 3:9
So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
 
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ResidentAlien said:
You seem to have a skewed idea of what faith is. It's not something we do, it's something we don't do.
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When praying for the impossible to happen is still more than just having Faith.

It's having Faith, using it with conviction or belief, plus applying Faith to the SOURCE your Faith is in [in the NAME of Jesus].

Faith is like a recipe. Belief that you have Faith, belief in the SOURCE of your Faith, belief that Your SOURCE is greater than the impossible, and belief what has not happened will happen.

That is effort on a person's behalf to believe that combination will work even before it can work.
 
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ResidentAlien said:
Pretty much as I thought. You have no answer.
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The fullness of God’s grace is thoroughly discussed throughout the Bible but unfortunately you prove yourself to be a horse who refuses to drink water. 🐴 💦
 
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PennEd said:
The logic is a lack of trust that JESUS keeps you saved.

If you believe you can lose your Salvation, then LOGIC dictates Jesus failed to keep you saved.
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People relying on themselves to maintain their salvation gives new meaning to breaking the first commandment.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
When praying for the impossible to happen is still more than just having Faith.

It's having Faith, using it with conviction or belief, plus applying Faith to the SOURCE your Faith is in [in the NAME of Jesus].

Faith is like a recipe. Belief that you have Faith, belief in the SOURCE of your Faith, belief that Your SOURCE is greater than the impossible, and belief what has not happened will happen.

That is effort on a person's behalf to believe that combination will work even before it can work.
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An old, old song says " Prayer is the key to heaven, but faith unlocks the door."
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
Let's forget about the Son of God here for a moment.

What do you think Messiah means?

To the Ancient Hebrews it means God.

So Jesus said He is the Messiah.

If we go by the Hebrew definition that means God.

What is your definition of Messiah?
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That’s definitely not the definition of messiah. I just spent around 30 minutes researching this. I recommend you do the same and/or reference the source that says otherwise.
 
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ThewindBlows said:
Did you use a Bible?
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Of course.

I looked through the OT and NT and utilized a lexicon to read about how it’s used.

There isn’t a single example of where God is called the messiah. It’s used to refer to human kings, priests, and/or saints.

You’re going to love this gem. I didn’t know this until I researched it myself.

Look who H4899 (mashiach) applies to in the OT.
 
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