Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

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mailmandan

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That's because you believe there are 2 types of people running around. One are those God created for Hell and those He created for His Own company.

In other words, the God you serve is not about Love at all.

Which shows you also are not about Love, like your God, because you believe your God chose you to be with Him and the other people you know in life not serving your God has been cut off and doomed for Hell.

So basically, you walk around judging people based upon your doctrine.
I have no idea how you reached that conclusion. o_O
 

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If anyone can be saved because they "accept" an invitation that would mean salvation was of themselves and not of God and grace.
God knows those that are His and only they become saved. Do you think otherwise?

Doing this:
[2Co 2:15-16 KJV] 15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:
16 To the one [we are] the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who [is] sufficient for these things?
Heb 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Pro 7:15
Therefore came I forth to meet thee, diligently to seek thy face, and I have found thee.

Mat 13:44
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

2Ch 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Hos 5:15
I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.
 

Blade

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You know if I didn't have a strong foundation I would really start questing things because allot of what some say makes sense. I wonder if I can't do anything to be saved then how can I lose it if nothing I do other then saying I believe seems like a catch 22.

"If anyone can be saved because they "accept" an invitation that would mean salvation was of themselves and not of God and grace.
God knows those that are His and only they become saved. Do you think otherwise?"

Ok so how did God know? Christ said "They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." Who are the sinners? Christ said "I invited those people, but they were not worthy to come. So go to the street corners and invite everyone you find to come to my feast.'" "keklēmenous" invite, call, summon." My point is from what I read and understand it is a invite and I had the choice at what 8y to go up or not. I do feel like the song playing "Son of David (Feat Brandon Lake) Son of David have mercy on me... amen.

So you can see how I believe its a choice for all for I was a sinner
 

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so you equate eternal life with a phone?

God said he will never leave nor forsake you. You can't lose God like you can lose a phone
These servants in Gods Kingdom, lose what they have and are cast into darkness.
Matthew 25:14,29-30 KJV

For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.

[29] For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. [30] And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 

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These servants in Gods Kingdom, lose what they have and are cast into darkness.
Matthew 25:14,29-30 KJV

For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.

[29] For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. [30] And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
He was talking to Isreal.

Unless you think all of Israel was saved.. You missed the whole point of what Jesus was saying..
 

Underwhosewings

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He was talking to Isreal.

Unless you think all of Israel was saved.. You missed the whole point of what Jesus was saying..
He was talking to Isreal.

Unless you think all of Israel was saved.. You missed the whole point of what Jesus was saying..
He was talking to the people that need to “watch”
Matthew 25:13 KJV
Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
 

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He was talking to the people that need to “watch”
Matthew 25:13 KJV
Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
so you do not believe in eternal life? Is that what you are saying?

What must you do to maintain your salvation?
 

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He was talking to the people that need to “watch”
Matthew 25:13 KJV
Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
I take it by your answer you do not believe in eternal life.

Can you answer what I am required to do to maintain my salvation? I need to know if I am going to get to heaven!
 

mailmandan

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These servants in Gods Kingdom, lose what they have and are cast into darkness.
Matthew 25:14,29-30 KJV

For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.

[29] For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. [30] And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
The talents represent monetary value and are distibuted according to ability (Matthew 25:15). The requirement is to invest in Christ. The first two servants deposited their money with the bankers (Matthew 25:27) but the third servant buried his money in the ground. The third servant had been given a talent according to his ability and the opportunity to believe and bear fruit in accordance, but chose to reject it.

Also, the fact that the latter man in this parable is called "wicked" and "slothful" and an "unprofitable servant" (Matthew 25:30) who is cast out into outer darkness indicates that he was not a true disciple of the master. The idea of this parable is that all true believers will produce fruit in varying degress. All genuine believers are fruitful, but not all are equally fruitful (Matthew 13:23). Those who produce no results are not truly converted.

This man's characterization of the master maligns him as "reaping and gathering" what he had no right to claim as his own. This wicked, lazy servant does not represent a genuine believer as it's obvious that he had no true knowledge of the master. Two of these servants were children of God, but not the third. Children of God are not cast out into outer darkness. The fact that this man is called a "servant" does not necessarily mean that he was saved.

The Israelites were called the Lord’s servants, but they were not all saved:

Isaiah 43:10 - "You are My witnesses, says the Lord," And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. (Israel vs. 1)

Leviticus 25:55 - For the children of Israel are servants to Me; they are My servants whom I brought out of the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God. Yet God later destroyed those who did not believe. (Jude 1:5)

Nehemiah 1:6 - please let Your ear be attentive and Your eyes open, that You may hear the prayer of Your servant which I pray before You now, day and night, for the children of Israel Your servants, and confess the sins of the children of Israel which we have sinned against You.
 

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Hebrews 3:14-19 KJV
For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
[15] While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
[16] For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
[17] But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
[18] And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
[19] So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
 

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Hebrews 3:14-19 KJV
For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
[15] While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
[16] For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
[17] But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
[18] And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
[19] So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, according as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature,( holy ghost) having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; and to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; and to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: for so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
2 Peter 1:2‭-‬11 KJV
 

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He was talking to the people that need to “watch”
Matthew 25:13 KJV
Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
Mark 13:35‭-‬37 KJ
 

Pilgrimshope

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You know if I didn't have a strong foundation I would really start questing things because allot of what some say makes sense. I wonder if I can't do anything to be saved then how can I lose it if nothing I do other then saying I believe seems like a catch 22.

"If anyone can be saved because they "accept" an invitation that would mean salvation was of themselves and not of God and grace.
God knows those that are His and only they become saved. Do you think otherwise?"

Ok so how did God know? Christ said "They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." Who are the sinners? Christ said "I invited those people, but they were not worthy to come. So go to the street corners and invite everyone you find to come to my feast.'" "keklēmenous" invite, call, summon." My point is from what I read and understand it is a invite and I had the choice at what 8y to go up or not. I do feel like the song playing "Son of David (Feat Brandon Lake) Son of David have mercy on me... amen.

So you can see how I believe its a choice for all for I was a sinner
And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said, The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, and sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: and the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.

But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.

So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.


And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: and he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen.
Matthew 22:1‭-‬14 KJV
 
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Our prayers are never hindered by God by sin at any time.

What is mentioned in 1Peter 3:7 about being true to our spouse unless our prayers be hindered refers to not being mindful of what to pray for because of being disoriented in our own inconsideration.

When we became Christians we died to ourselves. We are out of the picture when we come before God and pray. When the Father sees and hears us, he sees the perfect and impeccable life of Jesus.

Scripture instructs that in our weakness God is strongest.

Are we any weaker than when we sin?

God shows how great a hold he has on our hand at that time.

In fact, we are instructed to come BOLDLY to the Throne Of Grace when in trouble. This is so we will not mistakenly identify with what we've done instead of who we actually are in Jesus.

A pimp takes a young lady and gets her involved in prostitution the first time, and then tells her that what she is has been established, and through self-guilt, surrenders her to a life of sin. Coming boldly to the Throne of Grace to show our red hands is on point.

Scripture also reveals that God will not at any time refuse wisdom when it is requested for. Repentance and forgiveness is the greatest wisdom known; God will forgive and refresh our knowledge of our new holy selves without fail.

DO NOT BUY INTO THE FALSEHOOD THAT GOD STOPS LISTENING TO US BECAUSE OF SIN BECAUSE AT NO TIME WE HAVE PRAYED DID WE COME TO HIM WITH CLEAN HANDS OF OUR OWN, BUT AS JESUS HIMSELF. WE COME "IN JESUS' NAME", WHICH REFERS TO JESUS' REPUTATION. WE TAKE ON JESUS' REPUTATION OF PERFECT HOLINESS AND ANYTHING WE ASK WILL BE GRANTED ACCORDING TO THE WISDOM OF IT.
 

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ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED!!! DEFINITELY NO OTHER WAY! why? if someone believes you can be saved & lose your salvation what were you saved from to begin with? so can you be saved again & again & again? NO. there's NO WHERE in the Bible that teaches that. if you can be saved again & again, when will you be saved? you would never know! i know a guy down the street who says he's a born again Christian for many years, teaches Bible class but DOES NOT believe you can know you are saved!!! holy heavens!!!! are you serious? LOOK AT 1ST JOHN 5:13!----" THESE THINGS HAVE I WRITTEN UNTO YOU THAT BELIEVE ON THE NAME OF THE SON OF GOD, THAT YOU MAY KNOW YOU HAVE ETERNAL LIFE & THAT YOU MAY BELIEVE ON THE NAME OF THE SON OF GOD"!!!!!! you also know you are saved by the witness of the Holy Spirit: John 14;16,17 & 26, 16:13, 3:33, 1st John 5;10, 13 & Romans 8:16. look at this way" what's the sense in getting saved if you never know your saved? what a contradiction, you're watering your garden with a thought!!! his wife said to me, "i can get saved anytime". oh yeah, in your sleep? Psalms 95:7,8 Hebrews 3:7,8 & 2nd Corinthians 2:6!!!!!!
 

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Heb 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Pro 7:15
Therefore came I forth to meet thee, diligently to seek thy face, and I have found thee.

Mat 13:44
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

2Ch 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Hos 5:15
I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.

Way too many Scriptures that prove what you are saying. I don't understand how people can out of hand dismiss half of the Bible to make it say what they want it to say.
 

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Heb 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Christ's faith(fulness) is the only faith to ever please the Father, not man's. His faith and righteousness is imputed to those whom God had chosen to salvation.

[Gal 2:16 KJV] 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

[Phl 3:9 KJV] 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Pro 7:15
Therefore came I forth to meet thee, diligently to seek thy face, and I have found thee.
What do you think that verse is actually saying? Read the verses prior to that one - start with 7:10.

Mat 13:44
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
Whom do you think the only one was who could "buyeth the field"? Could multiple people all buy and own the field? No, it only had one buyer, one owner, not many - only He who had value to purchase it.

[Heb 12:2 KJV] 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of [our] faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

[Phl 2:7 KJV]
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

[Act 20:28 KJV]
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
[Eph 1:14 KJV] 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

2Ch 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
And neither did they seek His face. The nation of Israel was that pictured in the verse, and they never did so. Spiritual Israel alone being the people of God, the nation of Israel is not. Only those included within/forgiven by Christ's offering (spiritual Israel) will have their sin forgiven them.

Hos 5:15
I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.
Only those of the elect seek God, but from becoming born-again, He gives to each of them a new mind and spirit which leads them to do so.