Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

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John146

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Cameron143 said:
Fruit of the Spirit can by definition only be produced by the Spirit. Much of what people identify as fruit today are merely works of the flesh. Not sure most understand the difference.
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Examples please...thanks
 
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mailmandan said:
Matthew 7:17 - Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
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Yes, give some example of fruits that saved people bear that proves they are saved...
 
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Cameron143 said:
I appreciate your kind comment.
I understand that people often have experiences that shape their understanding. But experience differs from person to person. This makes it a poor arbiter of truth. It is possible for someone through self discipline to appear to be genuinely saved and never to have truly been converted.
Which of the disciples pointed to Judas when Jesus revealed one of them would betray Him? The Apostle John said they went out from us because they were not of us. Until they left no one recognized this to be the case. Even the Apostle Paul was surprised that Demas left.
The truth is that if the Apostles couldn't with certainty know the eternal disposition of those they were most familiar with, how can we? God in saving us has also committed to keeping us.
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While they were eating, He (Jesus) said to them, “Truly I tell you, one of you will betray Me.” They were
deeply grieved and began to ask Him one after another, “Surely not I, Lord?” Matthew 26:21-22
 
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Magenta said:
While they were eating, He (Jesus) said to them, “Truly I tell you, one of you will betray Me.” They were
deeply grieved and began to ask Him one after another, “Surely not I, Lord?” Matthew 26:21-22
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Awesome assist.
 
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Cameron143 said:
Can you give some examples of unsound doctrine?
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People who claim scripture says Jesus is the pillar and ground of the truth are choosing to believe heresy.

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
 
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RaceRunner said:
People who claim scripture says Jesus is the pillar and ground of the truth are choosing to believe heresy.

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
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Aren't Christians the habitation of God and Jesus the chief cornerstone?
 
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RaceRunner said:
People who claim scripture says Jesus is the pillar and ground of the truth are choosing to believe heresy.

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
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what??
 
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John146 said:
Yes, give some example of fruits that saved people bear that proves they are saved...
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Galatians 5:22 - But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
 
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Fundaamental said:
according to the thief on the cross that's not always the case 😍.

Then theres kids who die befor confirmation

Quite often they repeat there parents heresy.

There's a saying said people are like sheep, or people follow there nose.

Quite often they trip up,

All tho I wonder if that rule would apply to you.
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Confirmation is as unscriptural as the made up need for it. Infant baptism, also unscriptural.
 
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