Once saved, is sin ok?

[newbirth]

If it is not a gradual growth

Why do not say that you do sin and need forgivness of sins daily ?

The Lords prayer is design because we will sin

Have you ceased from sin as you say Peter said ?

I cannot say what the scripture does not say ...even if I don't like it ...of if it is hard for me to do....
if the scripture says sin not.....and I sin should I say we must all sin....

you say the Lord's prayer is designed because we sin....does it mean we must sin?
our attitude will define our character.....if we hate sin enough we will not sin...

 

[Kerry]

Sin is never accepted at times it is overlooked until we realize that we have sinned and we will always sin, because we not perfect. But it is not acceptable and we will suffer it's consequences

For instance a pedifile gets saved, will you trust him with your 3 year old? A rapist get's saved, he will still serve time and how will the community accept him? If you murder, God will forgive you but the State will not and you may die.

 

[Atwood]

Ye Olde Hobby Horse, Saw Horse.

Shall we sin that grace may abound?

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
But in this life you are going to sin.
You have to take it on the chin.

John 3
even so must the Son of man be lifted up; that whosoever believes may in him have eternal life.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whosoever believes on him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him. He who believes on him is not judged: he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed on the name of the only Son of God. . . .

He who believes on the Son has eternal life;

John 5:24
24 Verily, verily, I say to you, He who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

John 6
Jesus said to them, I am the bread of life: he who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes on me shall never thirst. But I said to you, that you have seen me, and yet believe not. All that which the Father gives me shall come to me; and him who comes to me I will in no wise cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that of all that which he has given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who who beholds the Son and believes on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Verily, verily, I say to you, He who believes has eternal life. I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down out of heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever.

John 10
But you do not believe because you are not of my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and
I give them eternal life; and they shall never perish, . . . .

 

[Jimbone]

Ye Olde Hobby Horse, Saw Horse.

Shall we sin that grace may abound?

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
But in this life you are going to sin.
You have to take it on the chin.

John 3
even so must the Son of man be lifted up; that whosoever believes may in him have eternal life.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whosoever believes on him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him. He who believes on him is not judged: he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed on the name of the only Son of God. . . .

He who believes on the Son has eternal life;

John 5:24
24 Verily, verily, I say to you, He who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

John 6
Jesus said to them, I am the bread of life: he who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes on me shall never thirst. But I said to you, that you have seen me, and yet believe not. All that which the Father gives me shall come to me; and him who comes to me I will in no wise cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that of all that which he has given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who who beholds the Son and believes on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Verily, verily, I say to you, He who believes has eternal life. I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down out of heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever.

John 10
But you do not believe because you are not of my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and
I give them eternal life; and they shall never perish, . . . .

I don't think anyone is arguing that Salvation isn't a free gift. The only point Brain has been trying to make this whole time is about what we do and who we are "AFTER" salvation. If you are saved but can sin JUST THE SAME as before, then you may not be saved. When Jesus gives us the gift (yes the free gift) of salvation to us fallen sinners, it changes our attitude and sinful habits. We change and are all new creatures that try to walk as He walked daily. This would not allow one to be the same level of sinner they where before. If you say you are Christian and can sin just like you did before you were saved and the Spirits not convicting you, then you are "more than likely" not saved. Our God is powerful, and real, and we are not called to just keep blind faith. He will give us the assurance we need, and the power it takes to CHANGE us. I know I've been a "sinners prayer" Christian that lived my life just as I always had and WAS NOT SAVED. The only way I know that is because I had a "Paul like" radical, overnight, undeniable regeneration by the Holy Spirit that changed every fiber of my being overnight. God DOES change you when you're saved, and if there is no change, then I would question my salvation. That's just the truth He's put on my heart, but I would like to add that everyone's change may not be as radical as mine was. We are each on our own walks with Him, so just because He works this way in me doesn't mean that He will lead you to do the same things.

The main, and only real point I'm trying to convey is that while we are still able to commit sin, and will the rest of our lives (we are fallen after all) , we are able to resist and combat the sin in our lives in a way that wouldn't be possible without God in us. The Spirit in us should cause a change that the people closest to us will sit up and take notice of and wonder how and why such a drastic change in who you were could even take place. We are different after God saves us, and if you got saved and everything is how it was before in your life, as in no change at all, then I would question if I was saved in truth.

 

[SeaBass]

I don't think anyone is arguing that Salvation isn't a free gift. The only point Brain has been trying to make this whole time is about what we do and who we are "AFTER" salvation. If you are saved but can sin JUST THE SAME as before, then you may not be saved......

....and there's the rub. Eternal security says salvation is NOT conditional upon what a Christian does. So according to ES a Christian could do anything he pleases, commit all the sins he cares to, and yet NOT be lost. Yet if anyone says it does matter what a Christian does then they are making salvation conditional....the exact opposite of what eternal security says.

 

[Skinski7]

Sin is never accepted at times it is overlooked until we realize that we have sinned and we will always sin, because we not perfect. But it is not acceptable and we will suffer it's consequences

For instance a pedifile gets saved, will you trust him with your 3 year old? A rapist get's saved, he will still serve time and how will the community accept him? If you murder, God will forgive you but the State will not and you may die.

Does the pedophilia, rape and murder stop?

Those who argue in favour of ongoing sin cannot say that it does.

Thus they believe in a theology where grace is a license to sin. Whether they claim one "should not" sin or one "will suffer the temporal consequences" is irrelevant. That fact is they believe the grace gives them a license to keep sinning and not face the loss of their soul. Very many professing Christian's clearly believe they can sin and not face condemnation.

 

[john832]

Does the pedophilia, rape and murder stop?

Those who argue in favour of ongoing sin cannot say that it does.

Thus they believe in a theology where grace is a license to sin. Whether they claim one "should not" sin or one "will suffer the temporal consequences" is irrelevant. That fact is they believe the grace gives them a license to keep sinning and not face the loss of their soul. Very many professing Christian's clearly believe they can sin and not face condemnation.

Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[Skinski7]

There is going to be no magic change for anyone when they die. If our hearts are not found pure in this life they never will be.

It is in this life that we overcome the works of the devil. We do it through a faith that works by love. There is no transgression in love. There may be sins of ignorance, mistakes, misjudgments, but there is no working of iniquity. The iniquity, the rebellion, has to cease. That is a concept very few people wish to face because it means that they have to do something they really do not want to do, yet that is reality.

Reality is real. We can attempt to deceive ourselves by fleeing the truth with our minds but one day actual reality will stare us in the face as we stand before it naked. If our conscience is guilty on that day then we will be found wanting and justly condemned.

 

[Skinski7]

Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Good post. The Bible is very clear on these things. That so many people brush over the warnings and hold to the promises out of their intended context is just a demonstration of how foolish so many people choose to be.

We will all be judged by what we do.

The Bible says...

Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Deeds reflect whether one is righteous or unrighteous. There is no such thing as a righteous person choosing evil. A righteous person NEVER choose evil, not once. The moment they do is the moment they are no longer righteous. This is why eternal life is for those who "patiently continue in doing good."

Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

So many people just push these scriptures out of their mind and cling to "believe."

Believe in the Bible is inclusive of obedience. This is why the children of Israel, all of whom believed in God, were destroyed for their unbelief. Their unbelief was not defined as not believing in God, it was defined as disobedience to God. The children of Israel who fell in the wilderness refused to endure and abide in the truth and thus they were cut off. They are an example for all of us and it is best to heed such an example.

 

[Skinski7]

The main message of Jesus in all His preaching was for people to get their hearts right with God. To cleanse their hearts that the outside of the cup be clean also.

In practically everything Jesus taught it was a focus on the heart. Jesus taught that we must do the right thing from an inner working of the right motivation, that being the motivation of love.

Those who believe in a religion where they can remain evil and therefore choose evil and just trust in Jesus are incredibly deceived. They are self deceived because the truth is so obvious. God is a righteous God and He wants a righteous people. Yet so many people do not want to be righteous and thus allow their ears to be ticked by a religion which teaches they can be unrighteous and still be found acceptable to God because they think Jesus did something for them.

 

[Jimbone]

....and there's the rub. Eternal security says salvation is NOT conditional upon what a Christian does. So according to ES a Christian could do anything he pleases, commit all the sins he cares to, and yet NOT be lost. Yet if anyone says it does matter what a Christian does then they are making salvation conditional....the exact opposite of what eternal security says.

Yea but that's thinking about it the wrong way, while I agree once you are saved you COULD TECHNIQULY choose to do wrong, or sin away just like before, the Spirit will make it impossible to actually continuously do so. Even if you try to fight it at first, the Spirit will win. So while I say logically it is possible for a saved Christian to live in sin, Spiritually I say we can not (please understand I see a difference in "living in sin" and committing the occasional sin here or there or realizing something you've always done was a sin through the guidance of the Holy Spirit and then correcting it), and therefore agree can not lose our salvation in this way. So basically I look at it like in order to lose salvation you must defy the Holy Spirit (which how can one feel God's love and truth then defy it? I don't look at this as possible either. Not without having been greatly deceived). See it even warns us in the bible we can be deceived and turn from God once we are saved. It has many cases of this happening in Revelation in the letters to the churches. There is just so much more to it then this little internet debate has addressed, in my opinion of course. Bottom line is when we are saved we are completely changed and our whole attitude towards sin is altered totally by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. You don't just make a "deal" with God through a single prayer and have "Eternal security". There will be proof of your conversion that everyone can SEE.

 

[Skinski7]

Yea but that's thinking about it the wrong way, while I agree once you are saved you COULD TECHNIQULY choose to do wrong, or sin away just like before, the Spirit will make it impossible to actually continuously do so. Even if you try to fight it at first, the Spirit will win.

You have just argued in favour of sin.

In teaching that you have just removed the concept of heart purity from your Gospel because a pure heart cannot choose to do evil and still be pure. Choosing to do evil only flows from an evil heart.

So all this talk of being able to "sin a little" as opposed to "all the time" is foolishness. Whether one chooses evil a little or a lot, one is still choosing evil and defying God.

That we can convince ourselves of escaping condemnation because we have turned to a religion which allows such a thing does not change actual reality.

The truth is that most people do not want to be righteous, they do not want to be pure, the reason being is that they stil want to sin a little here and a little there. That is why the road is so narrow. Very few people are willing to first count the cost and then pay it. Eternal life costs the believer EVERYTHING. It means a TOTAL forsaking of the old life in which we chose to serve sin, not a partial forsaking where we attempt to serve two masters.

 

[SeaBass]

Yea but that's thinking about it the wrong way, while I agree once you are saved you COULD TECHNIQULY choose to do wrong, or sin away just like before, the Spirit will make it impossible to actually continuously do so. Even if you try to fight it at first, the Spirit will win. So while I say logically it is possible for a saved Christian to live in sin, Spiritually I say we can not (please understand I see a difference in "living in sin" and committing the occasional sin here or there or realizing something you've always done was a sin through the guidance of the Holy Spirit and then correcting it), and therefore agree can not lose our salvation in this way. So basically I look at it like in order to lose salvation you must defy the Holy Spirit (which how can one feel God's love and truth then defy it? I don't look at this as possible either. Not without having been greatly deceived). See it even warns us in the bible we can be deceived and turn from God once we are saved. It has many cases of this happening in Revelation in the letters to the churches. There is just so much more to it then this little internet debate has addressed, in my opinion of course. Bottom line is when we are saved we are completely changed and our whole attitude towards sin is altered totally by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. You don't just make a "deal" with God through a single prayer and have "Eternal security". There will be proof of your conversion that everyone can SEE.

I do not agree that it is the Holy Spirit's responsibility to refrain the Christian from sinning. If that were the case, then one could blame all his sinning upon the failure of the HS in keeping him from sinning. You're removing the responsibility of sinning from the individual putting it upon the HS.

It's the Christian that chooses to sin and must be the Christian that chooses to repent and quit sinning or be lost.

1 Jn 1:7 the Christian must choose to continuously walk in the light whereby Christ's blood continues to wash away all sins. The HS does not force the Christian to walk in the light, it's all freewill choice of the Christian.

 

[Skinski7]

Think about it this way. How many children can a Christian molest and not face condemnation?

Can a Christian just molest a child on the odd occasion, just so long as they don't make a practiced habit of it?

If we are honest we know the answer to that question. Child molestation is out of the question for any Christian.

If one thinks that they can occasionally molest a child, you know, just a couple of times a year, so long as they don't do it all the time, so long as the "Holy Spirit wins out" then what sort of doctrine is that? It is the opposite of the heart purity Jesus taught.

A pure heart will NEVER molest a child. Not once.

Why is it different for any other sin?

Willful sin is out of the question for a Christian. The new birth involves a washing, a real cleansing from sin. The new birth is not a temporal bath which we are to keep going back to. That attitude is an utter mockery of Jesus Christ which is why we have this warning...

Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

To approach God seeking forgiveness of sins and then to go out and recommit that which God forgave one for is to hold the forgiveness of God in contempt. There is no forgiveness for one who holds God in contempt. None.

Anyone who holds God in contempt has to come clean with God once and for all and forsake their rebellion otherwise there is no hope. Sure one can comfort themselves with religion but one day every single person is going to stand before God NAKED without their religion. Our HEARTS WILL BE MANIFEST and if our hearts are not clean we will be condemned. Trusting in some cloak for filthiness is self deception, the filthiness has to be destroyed and replaced with purity. That is what Jesus taught. Jesus explicitly warned the religious people of His day to cleanse their hearts. He didn't preach a sin cloak or that God looks the other way. Jesus told them to repent, turn from their evil and obey God. It is that simple. Do that and live. Do it not and die.

 

[Jimbone]

You have just argued in favour of sin.

In teaching that you have just removed the concept of heart purity from your Gospel because a pure heart cannot choose to do evil and still be pure. Choosing to do evil only flows from an evil heart.

So all this talk of being able to "sin a little" as opposed to "all the time" is foolishness. Whether one chooses evil a little or a lot, one is still choosing evil and defying God.

That we can convince ourselves of escaping condemnation because we have turned to a religion which allows such a thing does not change actual reality.

The truth is that most people do not want to be righteous, they do not want to be pure, the reason being is that they stil want to sin a little here and a little there. That is why the road is so narrow. Very few people are willing to first count the cost and then pay it. Eternal life costs the believer EVERYTHING. It means a TOTAL forsaking of the old life in which we chose to serve sin, not a partial forsaking where we attempt to serve two masters.

Well that is not at all what I'm talking about. The only sin I am talking about is stuff like still getting angry at the car that just cut me off, or a lustful thought. You've been freed from all sin? I was regenerated by the Holy Spirit about 14 months ago and stopped video games and porn overnight, but I only felt lead to removed the TV's from my house about 2 month's ago, so I was saved and sinning by watching TV for a whole year. We each have our own walk brother, and I agree with you to a very large degree. I KNOW we are changed, my whole life is different and EVERYONE that's knows me can see that radical change. To be honest I am very surprised to be on this side of the debate. Usually I'm the one being told "Christians can still sin".

To be honest I don't see how you are accusing me of, "You have just argued in favour of sin."
with these quote's from my post "the Spirit will make it impossible to actually continuously do so"(talking about sin, see the "impossible" part?), or "order to lose salvation you must defy the Holy Spirit (which how can one feel God's love and truth then defy it? I don't look at this as possible either. Not without having been greatly deceived)." See another "impossibility" as well., what about this "Bottom line is when we are saved we are completely changed and our whole attitude towards sin is altered totally by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. You don't just make a "deal" with God through a single prayer and have "Eternal security". There will be proof of your conversion that everyone can SEE." Ok, did you even read the comment you are attacking me for? it's like you responded to the wrong person almost, or read that one half a sentence and made your rebuttal from that. Either way I don't understand your point.

 

[newbirth]

Yea but that's thinking about it the wrong way, while I agree once you are saved you COULD TECHNIQULY choose to do wrong, or sin away just like before, the Spirit will make it impossible to actually continuously do so. Even if you try to fight it at first, the Spirit will win. So while I say logically it is possible for a saved Christian to live in sin, Spiritually I say we can not (please understand I see a difference in "living in sin" and committing the occasional sin here or there or realizing something you've always done was a sin through the guidance of the Holy Spirit and then correcting it), and therefore agree can not lose our salvation in this way. So basically I look at it like in order to lose salvation you must defy the Holy Spirit (which how can one feel God's love and truth then defy it? I don't look at this as possible either. Not without having been greatly deceived). See it even warns us in the bible we can be deceived and turn from God once we are saved. It has many cases of this happening in Revelation in the letters to the churches. There is just so much more to it then this little internet debate has addressed, in my opinion of course. Bottom line is when we are saved we are completely changed and our whole attitude towards sin is altered totally by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. You don't just make a "deal" with God through a single prayer and have "Eternal security". There will be proof of your conversion that everyone can SEE.

at the end of the day ES means whatever you do you cannot lose your salvation.....
the scripture does not say the spirit that endure temptation....it says the man that endure temptation
[SUP]

12 [/SUP]Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Do not err, my beloved brethren.

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

 

[blue_ladybug]

​Simply put, it's NEVER okay to sin. Period. Also, it's not a sin to watch tv..it's WHAT you watch, such as a show with bad language or sex in it that makes it sinful to watch. This is JMO however..

 

[john832]

The main message of Jesus in all His preaching was for people to get their hearts right with God. To cleanse their hearts that the outside of the cup be clean also.

In practically everything Jesus taught it was a focus on the heart. Jesus taught that we must do the right thing from an inner working of the right motivation, that being the motivation of love.

Those who believe in a religion where they can remain evil and therefore choose evil and just trust in Jesus are incredibly deceived. They are self deceived because the truth is so obvious. God is a righteous God and He wants a righteous people. Yet so many people do not want to be righteous and thus allow their ears to be ticked by a religion which teaches they can be unrighteous and still be found acceptable to God because they think Jesus did something for them.

Just to add to this thought a little, God does not want rebellious children He cannot trust. If, 20,000 years from now, He sends one to another part of the universe to complete something the way He wants it done, He does not want a child who will do something their one way with varying results. He had a child like that once, his name was Light Bringer but the name had to be changed to Adversary.

 

[Brainfreeze]

You have just argued in favour of sin.

In teaching that you have just removed the concept of heart purity from your Gospel because a pure heart cannot choose to do evil and still be pure. Choosing to do evil only flows from an evil heart.

So all this talk of being able to "sin a little" as opposed to "all the time" is foolishness. Whether one chooses evil a little or a lot, one is still choosing evil and defying God.

That we can convince ourselves of escaping condemnation because we have turned to a religion which allows such a thing does not change actual reality.

The truth is that most people do not want to be righteous, they do not want to be pure, the reason being is that they stil want to sin a little here and a little there. That is why the road is so narrow. Very few people are willing to first count the cost and then pay it. Eternal life costs the believer EVERYTHING. It means a TOTAL forsaking of the old life in which we chose to serve sin, not a partial forsaking where we attempt to serve two masters.

He's not arguing for sin, he's telling you the truth.. I was saved at 17, I fell away back to the world within a week, forgot everything .. There's harsh consequences for this, but I found my way back to Christ.. And have slipped but my heart is right.
I strive for perfection through Christ daily, I don't use Jesus as a credit card to sin, (I HAVE NO EVIL INTENT) in my heart, there's nothing planned, premeditated, with evil, I'm innocent in this sense, I want nothing but good, even love for my enemies, and I strive to be the way Jesus wants me, complete righteousness, Jim is right, why would we need a helmet of salvation? There's a war for our mind, that follows the heart, if the devil can get us to have a lust for money, lust for power, lust for pleasures of this world, all the same to him, just wants us to turn are back on Jesus,

why we need are helmet, to control are thoughts, control are emotions.. Take being jealous, it will lead to hate, that hate will lead to anger, that anger will lead to murder... We must abide by the Holy Spirit in love, God is love, if we love God truly, we hate disappointing Him, (sinning) friends might want to go out and get a drink, you end up drunk, are you unsaved now, no, we repent and tell God I won't be doing that anymore, heck with my friends if they don't want to come in at a decent hour, and do your very best not to end up in that situation, next time you will think, I know these guys want to stay out, I'm not going this time.. We have to plan how to do the righteous things, and avoid sin, we can still go out in the world, we just don't want to be of it, and sin in it, like it or not, your different then everyone else, and we must act accordingly... Righteously, we can't just "fit in" so to speak...

 

[Brainfreeze]

I do not agree that it is the Holy Spirit's responsibility to refrain the Christian from sinning. If that were the case, then one could blame all his sinning upon the failure of the HS in keeping him from sinning. You're removing the responsibility of sinning from the individual putting it upon the HS.

It's the Christian that chooses to sin and must be the Christian that chooses to repent and quit sinning or be lost.

1 Jn 1:7 the Christian must choose to continuously walk in the light whereby Christ's blood continues to wash away all sins. The HS does not force the Christian to walk in the light, it's all freewill choice of the Christian.

The spirit CONVICTS, through this conviction, you stop...your heart and mind have to agree with this conviction. Yes repent, and stop doing it, if your really sorry, for some the world is harder to give up then someone else..If we are real followers of Christ, we drop everything, and follow Him. It is on the individuals free will that he does this.