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I fully believe in the one triune God..

Father is God, Holy Spirit is God, Jesus is God.. co-equal, co-eternal.

I just find it hard to get my head around the term 'persons'.. because like you say.. I am thinking of the material realm. So persons, becomes 'seperate beings'..

So I think it is helpful to think that it is the spiritual realm and so God can be 3 'persons' without them being actually seperate, distinct beings.

I think I just find the terminology hard to comprehend.

If you do some research you will find the word persons was initially "persona" coming from Latin meaning different aspects, which eventually became persons.
I agree persons does a huge disservice, and the idea of separate has also been stretched by the use of persons as a descriptor.
 
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I fully believe in the one triune God..

Father is God, Holy Spirit is God, Jesus is God.. co-equal, co-eternal.

I just find it hard to get my head around the term 'persons'.. because like you say.. I am thinking of the material realm. So persons, becomes 'seperate beings'..

So I think it is helpful to think that it is the spiritual realm and so God can be 3 'persons' without them being actually seperate, distinct beings.

I think I just find the terminology hard to comprehend.
Oh and I agree :)
 

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Yahweh is appropriate in Hebrew. He is the Triune God. However, this is rendered LORD in the OT.

Elohim is the usual word for God in the OT. This name could be used to refer to the Triune God too.

Yahweh (YHVH) says that he is the only God, so therefore this is a reference to the Triune God.

The NT uses "theos" sometimes to describe the Father alone, and sometimes to describe the Triune God.
I was thinking more about the God of creation rather than "Yahweh" the god of one nation who is more correctly known as "Yahweh Sabaoth" that means, "He who musters armies."
 

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I was thinking more about the God of creation rather than "Yahweh" the god of one nation who is more correctly known as "Yahweh Sabaoth" that means, "He who musters armies."
Elohim tends to be used more in reference to the God of creation, or the God of Gentiles, whereas YHVH is his personal covenantal name.
 

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Elohim tends to be used more in reference to the God of creation, or the God of Gentiles, whereas YHVH is his personal covenantal name.
The nations have their own gods, Yahweh, the national god of the Jews comes to mind, but does the supreme God, the God above all Gods need a name, or is the supreme God the one called by the Jews Elohim who created the Heavens and the Earth, otherwise known as the Word or Jesus while on earth?
 

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The nations have their own gods, Yahweh, the national god of the Jews comes to mind, but does the supreme God, the God above all Gods need a name, or is the supreme God the one the Jews call Elohim the God of creation, otherwise known as the Word or Jesus while on earth?
I am not sure what you're asking, and whether you are coming at it from a Trinitarian perspective. I am an unashamed Trinitarian.

:)

Yahweh is Elohim. He is the Triune God.

Jesus has two natures. He is Yahweh, and he is a glorified man.

Yahweh is one Being yet three distinct Persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Jesus never ceased being Yahweh, even during the Incarnation.

Regarding whether God needs a name, you'll need to ask him. He gave us his name, though. He says his own name EHYEH ("I Am") and others say his name YHVH ("He is").

Jesus is the name of the Son. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all Yahweh.
 

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I am not sure what you're asking, and whether you are coming at it from a Trinitarian perspective. I am an unashamed Trinitarian.

:)

Yahweh is Elohim. He is the Triune God.

Jesus has two natures. He is Yahweh, and he is a glorified man.

Yahweh is one Being yet three distinct Persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Jesus never ceased being Yahweh, even during the Incarnation.

Regarding whether God needs a name, you'll need to ask him. He gave us his name, though. He says his own name EHYEH ("I Am") and others say his name YHVH ("He is").

Jesus is the name of the Son. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all Yahweh.
this PS guy is a super heretic. he doesnt believe the OT he says israel going and wiping out canaanites was evil and they followed some other god

wouldnt surprise if he wasnt trinitarian either. be careful with this guy. i have him on ignore because i got too fired up last time we spoke. what a weasel claiming the OT god is evil how dare he. i believe he is sent here by the devil to make people not believe in the OT just like his friend dibby they are both saying in the OT its not really God's word but they were following false gods then and God would never do that genocide and all that
 

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this PS guy is a super heretic. he doesnt believe the OT he says israel going and wiping out canaanites was evil and they followed some other god

wouldnt surprise if he wasnt trinitarian either. be careful with this guy. i have him on ignore because i got too fired up last time we spoke. what a weasel claiming the OT god is evil how dare he. i believe he is sent here by the devil to make people not believe in the OT just like his friend dibby they are both saying in the OT its not really God's word but they were following false gods then and God would never do that genocide and all that
Follow me, you might learn something.
 

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What is your view of God's nature? Unitarian?
I believe in ONE GOD, so am a Unitarian.

The difference between us is that I call God, "Jesus." The Bible tells us Jesus is the Word who created the heaven and the earth. You just said, Jews call the creator Elohim.

If the Jews want to call the creator Elohim, so be it, but don't you think it makes Yahweh the national god of the Jews look rather small?

Not being awkward, just trying to bring people together.

Have to take the dog for a walk, he is being very patient. :)
 

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I believe in ONE GOD, so am a Unitarian.

The difference between us is that I call God, "Jesus." The Bible tells us Jesus is the Word who created the heaven and the earth. You just said, Jews call the creator Elohim.

If the Jews want to call the creator Elohim, so be it, but don't you think it makes Yahweh the national god of the Jews look rather small?

Not being awkward, just trying to bring people together.

Have to take the dog for a walk, he is being very patient. :)
No, the name YHVH shows the covenant loyalty that God has toward those he has covenanted with.

By the way, I am not dispensational, therefore I believe Israel is all of God's chosen people, including the remnant of Israel who was regenerated, as well as the Church.

Elohim or YHVH..it doesn't make any difference.

YHVH has chesed (covenant-love) for those who belong to Him, whether Jew or Gentile.
 

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Maybe I can help you (and others) on this issue of "separate" and "distinct" persons. When you say the three persons of the Trinity are "separate" your implying three gods. I've also heard people say three separate beings which again, implies polytheism.

The three persons of the Trinity are "distinct" persons. Let me explain what I mean. Picture a tricycle. The wheels on this tricycle are distinct from one another, but are still TIED in to one another. The wheels are not "separate from one another or the bike would not be able to move.

So, separate means independent and not joined together because they are separate parts. Distinct means the parts are united (or in this case the three persons of the trinity are united) and connected to each other by having the same nature. Does this make sense? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
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Yeah makes sense