One taken,one left. The rapture.

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I've already told you, they're not really "'bible/scripture professing". From their dispensationalist view, only the "Pauline doctrine" in epistles from Paul are written to the Gentiles, while all the gospels are for the Jews. When it comes to Revelation, from chapter 4 to 19 are totally irrelevant because the church will be "raptured".

So here's how it goes: Instead of a quarter of the global population perishing as the the Pale Horse is released by the opening of the fourth seal, the disappearing of billions of people will trigger all kinds of global chaos, and then the Antichrist will rise from this chaos, and the Israelites will worship him as their Messiah. In three and a half years, he signs a peace treaty with Israel, subdues the Palestinians, grants them all the Land of Canaan, helps them build the Third Temple; but after that, he declares himself as god, banishing all the Jews out of Israel and marking everyone with a microchip. Jews flee to the "earth", a sanctuary reserved for them by God, and for the next three and half years they're being protected from God's wrath poured upon the Antichrist and his marked worshippers; then at the end, Christ returns on a white horse with His church on Mount Olive, an epic battle fought in Armageddon, Antichrist's army defeated, millennial kingdom established, the Church consummates the marriage with Christ and they happily ever after, the end. Tell me does this sound like a movie script from Hollywood or bible prophecy from God.


movie script from Hollywood
 
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PSSSSSSST no one goes to heaven or rises up WITHOUT A BODY no matter how many people will tell you they believe it and we know this because

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

PRE TRIB APOSTASY HAS NO IDEA WHAT POST TRIBS BELIEVE EVEN WHEN THEY SAY THEY DO.

SO TO BE PERFECTLY CLEAR

WE BELIEVE ALL THE SAINTS ARE a part of the wedding supper.


BUT WE definitely DON'T believe it takes place ANYWHERE NEAR when, where, how, or even WITH WHOM as THE APOSTASY DOES.

ONE THING WE DON'T DO

IS TAKE WHAT IS WRITTEN AS TO WHEN 'THE MARRIAGE SUPPER' TAKES PLACE (AFTER JUDGMENT)

AND

PLACE IT BEFORE TRIBULATION, BE THAT SATANS OR THE GREATS, LIKE THE APOSTASY DOES.

AGAIN AND TO BE CLEAR,
WE don't take WHAT we are told happens AFTER JUDGMENT AND TRY AND PLACE IT BEFORE THE TRIB AS THE APOSTASY DOES.


WE BELIEVE WHAT IS WRITTEN AS IT IS WRITTEN AND NOT IN A WAY THAT IS NOT WRITTEN





Revelation 19:1 And after these things

(That would be Chapter 18 which ends with these)
Revelation 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

SO WE KNOW THOSE UNDER THE ALTAR HAVE BEEN AVENGED.

I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

2 For true and righteous are his judgments:

SO WE KNOW THAT JUDGMENTS HAVE COME TO PASS

for He hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of His servants at her hand.

JUST IN CASE ANY ONE MISSED IT THE FIRST COUPLE TIMES
HE TELLS US YET AGAIN TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TIME IT IS, OR WHAT DAY IT IS, OR WHAT PART OF THE SEASON IT IS.


3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.

4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye His servants, and ye that fear Him, both small and great.

HOW MANY OF HIS SERVANTS? ALL YE HIS SERVANTS. CAN WE SAY THEN IT IS ONLY A PART OF HIS SERVANTS?

6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to Him:

BECAUSE JUDGMENT HAS COME AND SOULS HAVE BEEN AVENGED SO WE KNOW THE 'TRIBULATION' OF SATAN HAS ENDED AND SINCE WE KNOW 'THE BRIGHTNESS OF CHRIST DESTROYS SATAN WE KNOW CHRIST HAS RETURNED TO THE EARTH AS KING OF KING AND LORD OF LORDS.

WE ALSO KNOW 'THE ALIVE AND REMAINING HAVE BEEN CHANGED AND GATHERED TOGETHER WITH THOSE RETURNING WITH CHRIST FOR THE DAY OF VENGEANCE.

for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.


SO NO 'PRE TRIB' RAPTURE NECESSARY FOR ALL THE SAINTS TO BE PRESENT FOR THE MARRIAGE SUPPER OF THE LAMB AS ALL TRIBULATION AND GREAT TRIBULATION ARE PAST. SO WE SEE ALL SAINTS, THOSE WHO WERE UNDER THE ALTAR, THOSE WHO LOST THEIR LIVES IN TRIB, THE TWO WITNESSES, THE 144K, THE TWO STICKS MADE ONE AND THE ALIVE AND REMAINING.

THEY ALL MAKE IT TO THE SUPPER.

THAT IS WHAT WE BELIEVE.

SO WE WILL ASSUME IF the apostasy EVER PUTs FORTH THAT WE BELIEVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT again

it will be for their own purposes and not for truth, but FOR THE SAKE OF THE DOCTRINE.
I like this = "WE BELIEVE WHAT IS WRITTEN AS IT IS WRITTEN AND NOT IN A WAY THAT IS NOT WRITTEN"
 
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Without factoring in the bride and groom component eschatology loses purpose.

That is exactly why postribs leave that component out.

The heartbeat of heaven, the very apex of what is next on heavens calendar, is the gathering of the bride.

How can an entire group of end times students omit the heartbeat of heaven.????

The heart of the second coming in the pretrib rapture...the groom fetching the bride ,to his fathers house?????
Flat out bizarre
Would that be for the WAR going on in heaven?

Or has the war ended by then?

Or is this to take place in the middle of the war in heaven?



POST TRIBS BELIEVE CHRIST OBEYS THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY WHEN HE SAYS 'TILL ENEMIES FOOTSTOOL'.

MEANING SATAN COMES FIRST. So, do not let yourself be deceived by any man. AND do not believe ANYONE who say's Christ comes first such as LO THERE IS CHRIST OR THERE IS CHRIST. BELIEVE THEM NOT.



John 16:1 These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.
2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.
4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.



Psalm 116:1 I love the LORD, because He hath heard my voice and my supplications.

2 Because He hath inclined his ear unto me, therefore will I call upon Him as long as I live.

3 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.

4 Then called I upon the name of the LORD; O LORD, I beseech thee, deliver my soul.

5 Gracious is the LORD, and righteous; yea, our God is merciful.

6 The LORD preserveth the simple: I was brought low, and He helped me.

7 Return unto thy rest, O my soul; for the LORD hath dealt bountifully with thee.

8 For thou hast delivered my soul from death, mine eyes from tears, and my feet from falling.

9 I will walk before the LORD in the land of the living.

10 I believed, therefore have I spoken: I was greatly afflicted:

11 I said in my haste, All men are liars.

12 What shall I render unto the LORD for all his benefits toward me?

13 I will take the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of the LORD.

14 I will pay my vows unto the LORD now in the presence of all his people.

15 Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of His saints.

16 O LORD, truly I am thy servant; I am thy servant, and the son of thine handmaid: thou hast loosed my bonds.

17 I will offer to thee the sacrifice of thanksgiving, and will call upon the name of the LORD.

18 I will pay my vows unto the LORD now in the presence of all his people.

19 In the courts of the LORD's house, in the midst of thee, O Jerusalem. Praise ye the LORD.


3368. yaqar
Strong's Concordance
yaqar: precious, rare, splendid, weighty
Original Word: יָקָר
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: yaqar
Phonetic Spelling: (yaw-kawr')
Definition: precious, rare, splendid, weighty
 

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Did you get the one about the person who was “caught up” into the third heaven?
I'm not sure if Paul’s account of that third heaven experience (2 Cor 12:1-4) is the same sense of “rapture” as these other examples. We don’t know whether it was a disembodied experience (common of visions/revelations), or a bodily departure as these examples mentioned above. In my previous post, I underlined what I meant by a "rapture event" as a bodily departure from one place to another.
 
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There is no "wedding [i.e. MARRIAGE]" without the "Bride / Wife"... your sentence doesn't even make reasonable sense.



(Yes, the presence of the "Bride / Wife" will be IN HEAVEN... and will be RETURNING "WITH [G4862] Him" to the earth, where the "wedding FEAST / SUPPER" [i.e. the EARTHLY MK age] will thereafter take place [esp its inauguration])

Again, consider the text which states, "and so [/IN THIS MANNER] shall WE ever be WITH [G4862 - UNIONed-with] the Lord" (that is, by means of the "caught up / SNATCH / rapture [IN THE AIR]" event... not BEFORE that moment).




[for the readers: the "5 [wise] VirginS [PLURAL]" never LIFT OFF the earth, but are present THERE upon His "RETURN" to the earth Rev19, FOR the promised and prophesied EARTHLY MK age]
"""There is no "wedding [i.e. MARRIAGE]" without the "Bride / Wife"... your sentence doesn't even make reasonable sense."""

The wedding is in place before ANY GROOM OR BRIDE arrives.

" i am going to the wedding"

Does not mean there is no such place, preparations, or festivities unless the bride and groom are physically there.

The Father tells the son to go fetch the bride.
Where is Jesus at that command?
In heaven, at the wedding.
He leaves from the wedding, to fetch the bride back to heaven, or, back to the wedding.
( from the wedding, back to the wedding)

They find you made, that the wedding and the supper are the same word, really seals the deal, that the marriage and supper are in heaven.
 
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Would that be for the WAR going on in heaven?

Or has the war ended by then?

Or is this to take place in the middle of the war in heaven?



POST TRIBS BELIEVE CHRIST OBEYS THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY WHEN HE SAYS 'TILL ENEMIES FOOTSTOOL'.

MEANING SATAN COMES FIRST. So, do not let yourself be deceived by any man. AND do not believe ANYONE who say's Christ comes first such as LO THERE IS CHRIST OR THERE IS CHRIST. BELIEVE THEM NOT.



John 16:1 These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.
2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.
4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.



Psalm 116:1 I love the LORD, because He hath heard my voice and my supplications.

2 Because He hath inclined his ear unto me, therefore will I call upon Him as long as I live.

3 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.

4 Then called I upon the name of the LORD; O LORD, I beseech thee, deliver my soul.

5 Gracious is the LORD, and righteous; yea, our God is merciful.

6 The LORD preserveth the simple: I was brought low, and He helped me.

7 Return unto thy rest, O my soul; for the LORD hath dealt bountifully with thee.

8 For thou hast delivered my soul from death, mine eyes from tears, and my feet from falling.

9 I will walk before the LORD in the land of the living.

10 I believed, therefore have I spoken: I was greatly afflicted:

11 I said in my haste, All men are liars.

12 What shall I render unto the LORD for all his benefits toward me?

13 I will take the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of the LORD.

14 I will pay my vows unto the LORD now in the presence of all his people.

15 Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of His saints.

16 O LORD, truly I am thy servant; I am thy servant, and the son of thine handmaid: thou hast loosed my bonds.

17 I will offer to thee the sacrifice of thanksgiving, and will call upon the name of the LORD.

18 I will pay my vows unto the LORD now in the presence of all his people.

19 In the courts of the LORD's house, in the midst of thee, O Jerusalem. Praise ye the LORD.


3368. yaqar
Strong's Concordance
yaqar: precious, rare, splendid, weighty
Original Word: יָקָר
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: yaqar
Phonetic Spelling: (yaw-kawr')
Definition: precious, rare, splendid, weighty
The subject is the rapture. One taken-left.
The marriage in heaven obviously takes place before Jesus returns with the wife,on white horses in Revelation 19.
In the Jewish marriage dynamic, the newlywed husband, would not go to war for an extended period of time.
Therefore the marriage would have been completed for some time ,in Heaven, for the bride, which would be called the wife, in Revelation 19 descends , on horses, with Jesus to the battle.
 
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No, not what I said (and not what Scripture itself says in the Revelation text).

CONTEXT matters.

I showed you where the word is also used in Matthew 22:10, "and the wedding hall [G1062] was filled with guests [plural; G345 - 'those reclining']" (<--those are the ones [plural] who will have been "having been INVITED" [v.9 of Rev19] all during the TRIB YEARS [on the earth], distinct from "the Bride / Wife [SINGULAR]" of v.7 pertaining to "the MARRIAGE" itself, which will have already taken place by that point).


What you are now suggesting is that the "guests [plural]" will have all (both "good and bad" Matt22:10) been "caught up / snatched / raptured [IN THE AIR]," and that the one "guest" who was found not wearing "a garment of wedding" will be "cast out" OF HEAVEN (as though he had been "caught up" with US), which is a lame notion, not a biblical one.





[again, all "there shall be weeping/wailing and gnashing of teeth" passages refer to the SAME point in time, when Christ will "RETURN" to the earth to set up the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom... and these [LOST / UNSAVED] persons will be "cast out" and not "BLESSED" to be present in and for the earthly MK age (aka "the kingdom OF THE heavenS," aka "the wedding FEAST / SUPPER")--In Rev19:9, only the "HAVING BEEN INVITED TO" has been completed (at that point), not the "feast / supper" ITSELF, where Jesus [WITH His "BRIDE / WIFE [SINGULAR]"] will be HEADING DOWN TO, and where the "guests [plural]" and "Virgins [plural]" will STILL BE LOCATED<--they've not been promised "rapture / SNATCH / caught up [IN THE AIR]" which pertains SOLELY TO "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY"... not to all other "saints" of all OTHER time periods]
the wedding and the wedding festivities, are the same greek word.
That is what you inadvertantly illustrated.

That solidly places the wedding and feast in heaven.
 
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PSSSSSSST no one goes to heaven or rises up WITHOUT A BODY no matter how many people will tell you they believe it and we know this because

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

PRE TRIB APOSTASY HAS NO IDEA WHAT POST TRIBS BELIEVE EVEN WHEN THEY SAY THEY DO.

SO TO BE PERFECTLY CLEAR

WE BELIEVE ALL THE SAINTS ARE a part of the wedding supper.


BUT WE definitely DON'T believe it takes place ANYWHERE NEAR when, where, how, or even WITH WHOM as THE APOSTASY DOES.

ONE THING WE DON'T DO

IS TAKE WHAT IS WRITTEN AS TO WHEN 'THE MARRIAGE SUPPER' TAKES PLACE (AFTER JUDGMENT)

AND

PLACE IT BEFORE TRIBULATION, BE THAT SATANS OR THE GREATS, LIKE THE APOSTASY DOES.

AGAIN AND TO BE CLEAR,
WE don't take WHAT we are told happens AFTER JUDGMENT AND TRY AND PLACE IT BEFORE THE TRIB AS THE APOSTASY DOES.


WE BELIEVE WHAT IS WRITTEN AS IT IS WRITTEN AND NOT IN A WAY THAT IS NOT WRITTEN





Revelation 19:1 And after these things

(That would be Chapter 18 which ends with these)
Revelation 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

SO WE KNOW THOSE UNDER THE ALTAR HAVE BEEN AVENGED.

I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

2 For true and righteous are his judgments:

SO WE KNOW THAT JUDGMENTS HAVE COME TO PASS

for He hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of His servants at her hand.

JUST IN CASE ANY ONE MISSED IT THE FIRST COUPLE TIMES
HE TELLS US YET AGAIN TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TIME IT IS, OR WHAT DAY IT IS, OR WHAT PART OF THE SEASON IT IS.


3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.

4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye His servants, and ye that fear Him, both small and great.

HOW MANY OF HIS SERVANTS? ALL YE HIS SERVANTS. CAN WE SAY THEN IT IS ONLY A PART OF HIS SERVANTS?

6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to Him:

BECAUSE JUDGMENT HAS COME AND SOULS HAVE BEEN AVENGED SO WE KNOW THE 'TRIBULATION' OF SATAN HAS ENDED AND SINCE WE KNOW 'THE BRIGHTNESS OF CHRIST DESTROYS SATAN WE KNOW CHRIST HAS RETURNED TO THE EARTH AS KING OF KING AND LORD OF LORDS.

WE ALSO KNOW 'THE ALIVE AND REMAINING HAVE BEEN CHANGED AND GATHERED TOGETHER WITH THOSE RETURNING WITH CHRIST FOR THE DAY OF VENGEANCE.

for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.


SO NO 'PRE TRIB' RAPTURE NECESSARY FOR ALL THE SAINTS TO BE PRESENT FOR THE MARRIAGE SUPPER OF THE LAMB AS ALL TRIBULATION AND GREAT TRIBULATION ARE PAST. SO WE SEE ALL SAINTS, THOSE WHO WERE UNDER THE ALTAR, THOSE WHO LOST THEIR LIVES IN TRIB, THE TWO WITNESSES, THE 144K, THE TWO STICKS MADE ONE AND THE ALIVE AND REMAINING.

THEY ALL MAKE IT TO THE SUPPER.

THAT IS WHAT WE BELIEVE.

SO WE WILL ASSUME IF the apostasy EVER PUTs FORTH THAT WE BELIEVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT again

it will be for their own purposes and not for truth, but FOR THE SAKE OF THE DOCTRINE.
Jesus has a glorified body.
Jesus ate and drank in his glorified body.
Jesus declared ,at the last supper, ( in conflict to your assumptions) that HE WOULD DRINK WINE WITH HIS FAMILY in heaven.That would mean they had glorified bodies.

Your erroneous assumptions would have disembodied spirits drinking wine in heaven.
Nope.
That tells you right there ,there will be those in heaven with glorified bodies.

But i do understand your need for that to not be true.
IOW, you backtrack it to think your assumption is viable.
You think because YOU cant find a verse, then any assumption you make, you can get away with it.

I have shown you the 144k in heaven.
We see Jesus At The Last Supper declare that the glorified Saints in heaven would drink wine with him.
We also see the Saints in Revelation 19 on white horses, ready to descend with Jesus to the battle. It says right there that the bride has become the wife.
I have proven scripturally that the one taken Matthew 24 is taken to heaven that is the rapture. It says right after "one will be taken one will be left", to watch and be ready for Jesus.
So that's at least four Witnesses against your wild assumption that there is no Rapture to heaven ,and that the one taken one left is not taking to heaven, and that Jesus was mistaken when he said that he would drink wine with his family ,with Saints in glorified bodies, in heaven.
All those are witnesses against your deal.
You are starting with an assumption.
Your assumption is a post-tribulation rapture.
And about all you got left, that you think is true, is that no one Resurrected or with a glorified body goes to heaven.
And you think because you can gloss over verses, you actually have some kind of standing on your last desperate deal concerning glorified bodies. None of it is true and I have demonstrated it as such
 
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"""PRE TRIB APOSTASY HAS NO IDEA WHAT POST TRIBS BELIEVE EVEN WHEN THEY SAY THEY DO.
SO TO BE PERFECTLY CLEAR
WE BELIEVE ALL THE SAINTS ARE a part of the wedding supper.
BUT WE definitely DON'T believe it takes place ANYWHERE NEAR when, where, how, or even WITH WHOM as THE APOSTASY DOES.
ONE THING WE DON'T DO
IS TAKE WHAT IS WRITTEN AS TO WHEN 'THE MARRIAGE SUPPER' TAKES PLACE (AFTER JUDGMENT)
AND
PLACE IT BEFORE TRIBULATION, BE THAT SATANS OR THE GREATS, LIKE THE APOSTASY DOES."""


^^^^^^Makes no sense^^^^^^^
 
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movie script from Hollywood
Says the adherents with no verses.

Your last desperado deal is comical.

" show me anywhere on the white bird where " white bird" is written on it". And you think you've inverted the entire Bible off of that wild assumption . The last trick you can pull from the Hat, (and you just keep hammering away at it) is the old" show me a verse that has Saints taken to heaven".

We see enoch, Elijah,and the 2 witnesses for starters.
Then those others i showed you guys.

Stop lying
 
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That depends on how you define "rapture". In the last days, God will provide supernatural protection for His people. There was the Ark for Noah, Zoar for Lot, Goshen and the Red Sea parting for Moses, and the "earth" for the Woman, which is also Israel. Whatever or wherever that "Earth" is, it ain't heaven. Think about it, after the Great Tribulation we're gonna inherit the earth as co-heirs with Christ, and that kingdom is on Earth. Jesus began and ended the Beatitudes with this particular blessing - those are poor in spirit and those who are persecuted for righteousness's sake will inherit the kingdom. If we're "raptured" into heaven, how are we gonna reign with Christ in the millenial kingdom here on Earth?
Lot is a huge problem.
He was removed.PREJUDGEMENT.
They went and got him
He was taken.
Kinda like the one on the roof dynamic.

SO WAS THE BABY JESUS.

But hey, no postribber will acknowledge that.

Red flag big time.
Banished or reframed into
"lot had zoar"
Uh huh.
 
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They watched the Left Behind movies and listened to the "Capture the Rapture" radio shows instead of reading the bible.
Slander and lies.
Nothing of that applies to myself.

You have no postrib rapture verses....just trolling and stabbing at the air as you are now demonstrating.
 
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I've already told you, they're not really "'bible/scripture professing". From their dispensationalist view, only the "Pauline doctrine" in epistles from Paul are written to the Gentiles, while all the gospels are for the Jews. When it comes to Revelation, from chapter 4 to 19 are totally irrelevant because the church will be "raptured".

So here's how it goes: Instead of a quarter of the global population perishing as the the Pale Horse is released by the opening of the fourth seal, the disappearing of billions of people will trigger all kinds of global chaos, and then the Antichrist will rise from this chaos, and the Israelites will worship him as their Messiah. In three and a half years, he signs a peace treaty with Israel, subdues the Palestinians, grants them all the Land of Canaan, helps them build the Third Temple; but after that, he declares himself as god, banishing all the Jews out of Israel and marking everyone with a microchip. Jews flee to the "earth", a sanctuary reserved for them by God, and for the next three and half years they're being protected from God's wrath poured upon the Antichrist and his marked worshippers; then at the end, Christ returns on a white horse with His church on Mount Olive, an epic battle fought in Armageddon, Antichrist's army defeated, millennial kingdom established, the Church consummates the marriage with Christ and they happily ever after, the end. Tell me does this sound like a movie script from Hollywood or bible prophecy from God.
You know, when your doctrine is BASED ON slander and mocking your opponent...you are just validating my position.

...and making a fool outta yourself.
Your erroneous Doctrine began with the church fathers. They saw such Great Tribulation, that they actually thought they were in the Great Tribulation. Israel was destroyed and the Jewish people scattered throughout the world.
So you can't really blame SOME OF THEM , for thinking erroneously ,that there was no pre-tribulation rapture, and that they were in the Great Tribulation.
So that is the foundation of what you believe. It was spawned out of error and was the doctrine of some of those men, but had nothing to do with the Bible or heaven or God.
So that's where your Doctrine came from.
mock that one
 
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Lot is a huge problem.
He was removed.PREJUDGEMENT.
They went and got him
He was taken.
Kinda like the one on the roof dynamic.

SO WAS THE BABY JESUS.

But hey, no postribber will acknowledge that.

Red flag big time.
Banished or reframed into
"lot had zoar"
Uh huh.
At least I speak coherent sentences in a respectful manner, while you've nothing but trolling.
 
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You know, when your doctrine is BASED ON slander and mocking your opponent...you are just validating my position.

...and making a fool outta yourself.
Your erroneous Doctrine began with the church fathers. They saw such Great Tribulation, that they actually thought they were in the Great Tribulation. Israel was destroyed and the Jewish people scattered throughout the world.
So you can't really blame SOME OF THEM , for thinking erroneously ,that there was no pre-tribulation rapture, and that they were in the Great Tribulation.
So that is the foundation of what you believe. It was spawned out of error and was the doctrine of some of those men, but had nothing to do with the Bible or heaven or God.
So that's where your Doctrine came from.
mock that one
Early church fathers have more credibility than you and any TV preacher who had brainwashed you with all these junk.
 
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At least I speak coherent sentences in a respectful manner, while you've nothing but trolling.
More untruths.
I invite you to stop your lies and get a bible.
State your doctrine.
Post your verses
We dont need another thread locked, like what you did in the last thread you invaded.
 
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Early church fathers have more credibility than you and any TV preacher who had brainwashed you with all these junk.
Shows you never looked into it.

No bible
No verses
No constructive contribution.
 
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They watched the Left Behind movies and listened to the "Capture the Rapture" radio shows instead of reading the bible.
Here you are.
In here to start your juvenile back and forth mess like you did in the other thread that got locked.