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And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
1 John 5:20 NASB
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God the Father, God the Son. I am in Him, He is in Me. Three personalities, one true God. Just like the Bible says. Any else is not Christian and is heresy.
God the Father...in scriptures...
2Pe 1:17 KJV For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

But where in the scriptures can you find God the Son...
If you cannot find it...what does that mean. Heresy
 

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And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
1 John 5:20 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/1jn.5.20.NASB
From the same writer...
Who is Him that we might know?
Joh 17:3 KJV And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
 
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1. John 10:30 The Father and I are one.

2. Philippians 2:5-6 You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.

3. John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

4. John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

5. Colossians 2:9-10 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily. and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

6. John 10:33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

7. John 5:18 This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

8. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

9. John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

10. 1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

11. Romans 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

12. John 8:57-58 The people said, “You aren’t even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?” Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!”

13. John 8:22-24 This made the Jews ask, “Will he kill himself? Is that why he says, ‘Where I go, you cannot come’?” But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”

14. John 13:18-19 “I am not referring to all of you; I know those I have chosen. But this is to fulfill this passage of Scripture: ‘He who shared my bread has turned against me.’ “I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am.

15. Isaiah 44:6 Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.

16. 1 Corinthians 8:6 Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

17. Revelation 2:8 “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life.

18. Revelation 1:17-18 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.

19. Matthew 2:1-2 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”

20. Matthew 28:8-9 So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,” he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.

21. Acts 7:59-60 And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.


22. Matthew 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

23. 2 Corinthians 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

24. John 20:27-28 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

25. 2 Peter 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.

There ya go 25 Bible passages that prove the deity of Jesus.
 

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1. John 10:30 The Father and I are one.

2. Philippians 2:5-6 You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.

3. John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

4. John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

5. Colossians 2:9-10 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily. and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

6. John 10:33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

7. John 5:18 This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

8. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

9. John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

10. 1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

11. Romans 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

12. John 8:57-58 The people said, “You aren’t even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?” Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!”

13. John 8:22-24 This made the Jews ask, “Will he kill himself? Is that why he says, ‘Where I go, you cannot come’?” But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”

14. John 13:18-19 “I am not referring to all of you; I know those I have chosen. But this is to fulfill this passage of Scripture: ‘He who shared my bread has turned against me.’ “I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am.

15. Isaiah 44:6 Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.

16. 1 Corinthians 8:6 Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

17. Revelation 2:8 “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life.

18. Revelation 1:17-18 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.

19. Matthew 2:1-2 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”

20. Matthew 28:8-9 So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,” he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.

21. Acts 7:59-60 And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.


22. Matthew 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

23. 2 Corinthians 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

24. John 20:27-28 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

25. 2 Peter 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.

There ya go 25 Bible passages that prove the deity of Jesus.
Thats a long list...
Anyway, i think I have responded on most of the bible verses in the list in my previous post.
I will respond again to them in detail tomorrow. I presently using my phone and ita hard to use.

Here is just the first response.
2Pe 1:1 KJV Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
Who is God in this statement...
Peter on his first letter.

1Pe 1:2-4 KJV 2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

1Pe 5:10-11 KJV 10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you. 11 To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

We go now to the greetings..
...righteousness of God (Father)
And our Saviour (Jesus Christ)..

I hope that is clear...

I will respond to the rest soon.
 

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1. John 10:30 The Father and I are one.
I hope you will understand this with this illustration:
Old testament
Coke (original) = Father, King of Israel
Coke Diet = Word, Holy one, redeemer, Lord of David, Christ
15. Isaiah 44:6 Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.

Thus said, Coke and coke Diet,....I am he first and the last...Besides me there is no other softdrinks.

2. Philippians 2:5-6 You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.
Though he was (coke diet) softdrinks, he did not think of equality with (Coke original) softdrinks as something to cling to...

8. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

In the beginning was the coke diet..and coke diet was with coke (original) and coke Diet was Softdrinks..

9. John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

and coke diet became chicken......

That's the simple story...I illustrate it as coke and coke diet to simplify...and I hope it will be easily understood.

when coke diet became chicken...its no longer softdrinks...but meat...
Likewise when the Word became flesh it is no longer God but Flesh...
The once immortal became mortal to taste death...

Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
He took not the nature of angels
He has one nature...the seed of Abraham...Human Flesh



Now, Before the chicken was cooked...it is marinated with Coke...So there still a taste of coke in the chicken...
LIKEWISE the child grew in wisdom and in spirit..and at baptism of Jesus he was anointed with Holy spirit and power.

5. Colossians 2:9-10 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily. and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.


That was the story before they see the man Jesus...

4. John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known...
When did the Son see Father??? obviously when coke diet was still softdrinks...
When the Word was with God...obviously He seen God (Father)...
How did the Son made known the Father??
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

10. 1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Who is the true God??? same writer..John 17:3 compare 1John 5:20...again no need to explain...just read it.

1. John 10:30 The Father and I are one.[
3. John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Father..Son..and They also..may be on in us....
If you will use the above verse as proof that Jesus is God...then consider us also as God.
But Just reading it...will give you understanding

13. John 8:22-24 This made the Jews ask, “Will he kill himself? Is that why he says, ‘Where I go, you cannot come’?” But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”
12. John 8:57-58 The people said, “You aren’t even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?” Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!”

Joh 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
Joh 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

6. John 10:33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

7. John 5:18 This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

the above three lists (1, 12, 6 and 7) can be summarized as:
Remember the coke diet before it became chicken....Though he was (coke diet) softdrinks, he did not think of equality with (Coke original) softdrinks as something to cling to...


The Word Became Flesh...The Word was equal with God (father), but not the Father.

Because he said I am the Son Of God...
Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

The Rest can be answered by this..
Regarding Lord and Saviour...God (Father) has made the man Jesus to be the following....

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

11. Romans 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
21. Acts 7:59-60 And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
14. John 13:18-19 “I am not referring to all of you; I know those I have chosen. But this is to fulfill this passage of Scripture: ‘He who shared my bread has turned against me.’ “I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am.
24. John 20:27-28 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
Regarding worship....God allwoed the worship of the man Jesus.
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
19. Matthew 2:1-2 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”

20. Matthew 28:8-9 So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,” he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.

The First and the Last...
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
We have to know God even the Father..
The Father is immortal..never die...He is invisble...He is only..wise God.
..
18. Revelation 1:17-18 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.
17. Revelation 2:8 “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life.
The Word was in the Beginning with God...became Flesh and Died..now alive..and will be the Judge... therefore the first and the Last....
But there is one true, immortal and invisible God..even the Father...



NOW YOU CAN FULLY UNDERSTAND THIS VERSE:
16. 1 Corinthians 8:6 Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

23. 2 Corinthians 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.
25. 2 Peter 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.

Baptism is not in anyway teach three Gods...
22. Matthew 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

There ya go 25 Bible passages that shows how We see the Man Jesus the Son of God and how we know Him who is the True God even the Father.
 

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I hope you will understand this with this illustration:
Old testament
Coke (original) = Father, King of Israel
Coke Diet = Word, Holy one, redeemer, Lord of David, Christ
15. Isaiah 44:6 Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.

Thus said, Coke and coke Diet,....I am he first and the last...Besides me there is no other softdrinks.

2. Philippians 2:5-6 You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.
Though he was (coke diet) softdrinks, he did not think of equality with (Coke original) softdrinks as something to cling to...

8. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

In the beginning was the coke diet..and coke diet was with coke (original) and coke Diet was Softdrinks..

9. John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

and coke diet became chicken......

That's the simple story...I illustrate it as coke and coke diet to simplify...and I hope it will be easily understood.

when coke diet became chicken...its no longer softdrinks...but meat...
Likewise when the Word became flesh it is no longer God but Flesh...
The once immortal became mortal to taste death...

Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
He took not the nature of angels
He has one nature...the seed of Abraham...Human Flesh



Now, Before the chicken was cooked...it is marinated with Coke...So there still a taste of coke in the chicken...
LIKEWISE the child grew in wisdom and in spirit..and at baptism of Jesus he was anointed with Holy spirit and power.

5. Colossians 2:9-10 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily. and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.


That was the story before they see the man Jesus...

4. John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known...
When did the Son see Father??? obviously when coke diet was still softdrinks...
When the Word was with God...obviously He seen God (Father)...
How did the Son made known the Father??
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

10. 1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Who is the true God??? same writer..John 17:3 compare 1John 5:20...again no need to explain...just read it.

1. John 10:30 The Father and I are one.[
3. John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Father..Son..and They also..may be on in us....
If you will use the above verse as proof that Jesus is God...then consider us also as God.
But Just reading it...will give you understanding

13. John 8:22-24 This made the Jews ask, “Will he kill himself? Is that why he says, ‘Where I go, you cannot come’?” But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”
12. John 8:57-58 The people said, “You aren’t even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?” Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!”

Joh 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
Joh 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

6. John 10:33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

7. John 5:18 This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

the above three lists (1, 12, 6 and 7) can be summarized as:
Remember the coke diet before it became chicken....Though he was (coke diet) softdrinks, he did not think of equality with (Coke original) softdrinks as something to cling to...


The Word Became Flesh...The Word was equal with God (father), but not the Father.

Because he said I am the Son Of God...
Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

The Rest can be answered by this..
Regarding Lord and Saviour...God (Father) has made the man Jesus to be the following....

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

11. Romans 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
21. Acts 7:59-60 And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
14. John 13:18-19 “I am not referring to all of you; I know those I have chosen. But this is to fulfill this passage of Scripture: ‘He who shared my bread has turned against me.’ “I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am.
24. John 20:27-28 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
Regarding worship....God allwoed the worship of the man Jesus.
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
19. Matthew 2:1-2 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”

20. Matthew 28:8-9 So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,” he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.

The First and the Last...
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
We have to know God even the Father..
The Father is immortal..never die...He is invisble...He is only..wise God.
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18. Revelation 1:17-18 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.
17. Revelation 2:8 “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life.
The Word was in the Beginning with God...became Flesh and Died..now alive..and will be the Judge... therefore the first and the Last....
But there is one true, immortal and invisible God..even the Father...



NOW YOU CAN FULLY UNDERSTAND THIS VERSE:
16. 1 Corinthians 8:6 Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

23. 2 Corinthians 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.
25. 2 Peter 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.

Baptism is not in anyway teach three Gods...
22. Matthew 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

There ya go 25 Bible passages that shows how We see the Man Jesus the Son of God and how we know Him who is the True God even the Father.
this is some of the most ridiculous twisting of Scripture I have ever seen.

" I and My Father are One". a six year old could understand this.

but, in order to push your junk theology, you have to find a way to make this mean something else.

sorry, " we are One" means exactly what it says it means.
 
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this is some of the most ridiculous twisting of Scripture I have ever seen.

" I and My Father are One". a six year old could understand this.

but, in order to push your junk theology, you have to find a way to make this mean something else.

sorry, " we are One" means exactly what it says it means.
Yeah, I stopped reading what he writes or responding to him because he is bent on his heresy. I only respond here anymore as a voice for others against his satanic message. Hopefully any new Christians who find themselves reading this will be kept from folly by what is written here by those of us who have provided sound doctrine and truth.
 

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this is some of the most ridiculous twisting of Scripture I have ever seen.

" I and My Father are One". a six year old could understand this.

but, in order to push your junk theology, you have to find a way to make this mean something else.

sorry, " we are One" means exactly what it says it means.
Its a response to 25 lists of loco...i had to cut the quote short..not to exceed 1000 characters
 

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Yeah, I stopped reading what he writes or responding to him because he is bent on his heresy. I only respond here anymore as a voice for others against his satanic message. Hopefully any new Christians who find themselves reading this will be kept from folly by what is written here by those of us who have provided sound doctrine and truth.
I am not insisting if you do not like the coke and the chicken...i responded to your lists of verses in a way even the stupidest person can understand...but if you cannot...i do not know...
 
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Oneness is a heresy that goes against Scripture.

There’s no need for all y’all oneness advocates to respond to this because I’m not going to take into consideration y’all’s twisted take on the Holy Bible.
I don't think it is oneness because oneness does not deny the son.
Watcher and the new cult guy appear to be buddies imo
 
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No I am not..they have proven nothing..including you..
all the verses your team have provided have been expounded by reading the whole chapter of verses quoted.
What you and your team shows is the unchristian way of discussion:
you lash out by insult..like
liar, cult, messenger of satan...

No wonder...
You should never have done that to her.
You owe her an apology.
She is a strong christian and asset to the board
 
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God the Father...in scriptures...

sorry, " we are One" means exactly what it says it means.
Like all EISEGESISTS you take one verse and ignore the others that help put the verse in context:
John10:30 does say 'GOD and I are one.'
However earlier verses say:
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

These verse quite clearly show the CONTEXT: That Jesus is explaining GOD has tasked him with helping the lost sheep escape the wolves of the temple.
By saying GOD has to lay down his life we have to wonder who raises Him on the third day as presumably with GOD dead on the cross Jesus must also be deal and the holy spook too.
 

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You should never have done that to her.
You owe her an apology.
She is a strong christian and asset to the board
I do not owe her...she's the one to apologize for out of her mouth foul words...
Someone should tell her that...
 

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I don't think it is oneness because oneness does not deny the son.
Watcher and the new cult guy appear to be buddies imo
Sorry..we are not buddies... i do not even know him...
Maybe we share the same understanding who God really is.
 
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Hi, watcher2013.
I've only been a Christian about 5 years and I'm constantly astounded at how much false doctrine the established churches push!
They all have Bibles but can't use them
This CC is not much better as the posts we deal with on this thread show.
No matter how we say read the entire passage to get the context they just parrot beliefs put in their head as children and it's practically impossible to correct them.
I looked at a forum for people who leave the JWs and the crazy doctrines they have had to swallow is amazing - but it has the effect of making them hate GOD, Jesus and the Bible so their final state is worse than being a JW!
 
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I don't think it is oneness because oneness does not deny the son.
Watcher and the new cult guy appear to be buddies imo
who is the new cult guy? has the pope joined the forum?
 

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Hi, watcher2013.
I've only been a Christian about 5 years and I'm constantly astounded at how much false doctrine the established churches push!
They all have Bibles but can't use them
This CC is not much better as the posts we deal with on this thread show.
No matter how we say read the entire passage to get the context they just parrot beliefs put in their head as children and it's practically impossible to correct them.
I looked at a forum for people who leave the JWs and the crazy doctrines they have had to swallow is amazing - but it has the effect of making them hate GOD, Jesus and the Bible so their final state is worse than being a JW!
You will be suprised to know that there are many who believed their pastor is Jesus...
But do not be swayed... you can watched and listened to other doctrines...but afterwards verify them if according to scriptures. Be bless.
 

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who is the new cult guy? has the pope joined the forum?
Is that how you welcomed new members in this forum???
No wonder you and the other girl are buddies...you are one in the same.
 

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Jesus and the Father are not the same person. The church is one;
“And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.” John 17:11 (KJV 1900)
Thank you for sharing the scripture that actually refutes your prior argument.
You cannot argue on that platform while ignoring Gods own words wherein He states, He is one. And beside him there is no Savior. [The Book of Isaiah chapter 43] Which would necessarily revoke the idea of God, Holy Spirit, and Savior Jesus, as the triune.
Immanuel, "God with us". [The Book of Isaiah chapter 7 and the Book of Matthew chapter 1]
God cannot be more clear than that.

Jesus was/is God.

He was man before His Baptism though He was divinely formed in Mary's womb. After Baptism Jesus/Immanuel started His ministry fully empowered by His indwelling Holy Spirit nature. Which descended upon the flesh of the man knitted together in Mary's womb by Holy Spirit God, so all would witness this and hear the Father state aloud unto all there, this is my Son in whom I AM well pleased. [The Book of Matthew chapter 3]
Jesus Himself referred to Himself as, I AM. Which was the name God told Moses to give unto Pharaoh in the event Pharaoh asked Moses who had sent him. [The Book of Exodus chapter 3]

Stanford University [A Christian University]
Supplement to Trinity
History of Trinitarian Doctrines
1. Introduction

This supplementary document discusses the history of Trinity theories. Although early Christian theologians speculated in many ways on the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, no one clearly and fully asserted the doctrine of the Trinity as explained at the top of the main entry until around the end of the so-called Arian Controversy. (See 3.2 below and section 3.1 of the supplementary document on unitarianism.) Nonetheless, proponents of such theories always claim them to be in some sense founded on, or at least illustrated by, biblical texts......[Continues @ Link]