Oneness or trinity, Is Jesus God or man?

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r1xlx

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Dave-L said:
You can't discern it so you say it doesn't exist. You cannot prove something does not exist, only your folly in saying it doesn't
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Glad you agree the obvious.
GOD isn't Jesus and Jesus isn't GOD.
 
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Dave-L said:
“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” Colossians 2:9 (KJV 1900)
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Now try read on to verse: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead..
So GOD died and raised Himself back to life?
Your head is like a scifi epic.
 
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Dave-L said:
Some of the Scripture proof of the Trinity;

1. There is only one God (e.g., Rom. 3:30)

2. The Father is God (e.g., John 6:27)

3. Jesus the Son is God (e.g., John 20:28; Rom. 9:5; 2 Peter 1:1)

4. The Holy Spirit is God (e.g., Acts 5:3–5)

5. These Three are distinct persons (e.g., John 14:16–17)

On the Mount of transfiguration

“While he was still speaking, suddenly a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said: This is My beloved Son. I take delight in Him. Listen to Him! When the disciples heard it, they fell facedown and were terrified. Then Jesus came up, touched them, and said, “Get up; don’t be afraid.”” (Matthew 17:5–7) (HCSB)

“For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.” (2 Peter 1:16–18) (KJV 1900)

Jesus’ Baptism

“And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” (Matthew 3:16–17) (KJV 1900)
Jesus predicting his Crucifixion

““Now My soul is troubled. What should I say—Father, save Me from this hour? But that is why I came to this hour. Father, glorify Your name!” Then a voice came from heaven: “I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again!” The crowd standing there heard it and said it was thunder. Others said that an angel had spoken to Him. Jesus responded, “This voice came, not for Me, but for you. Now is the judgment of this world. Now the ruler of this world will be cast out.” John 12:27–31 (HCSB)


Stephen's death


“But Stephen, filled by the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven. He saw God’s glory, with Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and he said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!”” (Acts 7:55–56) (HCSB)

Jesus at Bethany

“Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again. The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him. Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.” John 12:28–30 (KJV 1900)

“Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; And let him be your fear, and let him be your dread. And he shall be for a sanctuary; But for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, For a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, And be snared, and be taken.” Isaiah 8:13–15 (KJV 1900)
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Now ask GOD to send you the gift of discernment to try understand why you are wrong.
 
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Dave-L said:
Some of the Scripture pagans take as their proof of the Trinity;

Stephen's death
“But Stephen, filled by the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven. He saw God’s glory, with Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and he said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!”” (Acts 7:55–56) (HCSB)
(KJV 1900)

5 (KJV 1900)
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Stephen didn't describe a spook sat on GOD's left?
 
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r1xlx said:
Now ask GOD to send you the gift of discernment to try understand why you are wrong.
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He's not wrong. Bible backs him not you and your heresy. That name of that church you attend???
 
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r1xlx said:
Now try read on to verse: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead..
So GOD died and raised Himself back to life?
Your head is like a scifi epic.
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Sigh, God did not die. Jesus, the man died. Incarnation. Became a man, came from heaven. Died, rose again, sits at the right hand of the Father. Three personalities, ONE GOD!! Try reading the Bible right side up next time. Seriously.
 
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I'm not into reading some 20 and more pages to give a small comment here. You'll pardon me if this has been said already.
As I recall Jesus said in a number of places enough that I got the idea he was saying he was God himself.
When you've seen me you've seen the father, is about as clear as it can get. At least I think so.
I and the father are one, is another.

Why is it important to try and do away with that?
 
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Brandnewday said:
I'm not into reading some 20 and more pages to give a small comment here. You'll pardon me if this has been said already.
As I recall Jesus said in a number of places enough that I got the idea he was saying he was God himself.
When you've seen me you've seen the father, is about as clear as it can get. At least I think so.
I and the father are one, is another.
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Why is it important to try and do away with that?
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Because it's a heresy and they've been doing it since Christ's day, and before.
 
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Brandnewday

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kaylagrl said:
Because it's a heresy and they've been doing it since Christ's day, and before.
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That sort of clears the air of any thoughts along the lines of changing those type peoples minds here doesn't it.
 
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kaylagrl said:
Sigh, Three personalities, ONE GOD!! Try reading the Bible right side up next time. Seriously.
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Sigh, Three personalities in ONE GOD!! Yes in Babylonian mythology. Not in heaven.Try reading the Bible right side up next time. Seriously, GOD is not Jesus and Jesus is not GOD!
 
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kaylagrl said:
He's not wrong. Bible backs him not you and your heresy. That name of that church you attend???
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The King James Bible church of course.
You must attend a Spiritualist Church where multiple demons will happily agree with your false beliefs?
Next time you're there ask the demons who gave Jesus all power and authority and hear them shudder at mention of GOD!
James 2:19.
 
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And while we have the KJV open might I ask why Satan had to tempt Jesus in the wilderness when he could have tempted him in the carpentry workshop.
Of is Satan knew Jesus was the son of GOD he could have made a Nazareth donkey or cow kick Mary in the belly so she'd miscarry him?
That would have saved Satan an awful lot of trouble as if Jesus had been aborted Satan could have just carried on fooling all you people.
 
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But Jesus said all power and authority had been given to him.
So who was the giver?
And why say it anyway?
GOD is not Jesus and Jesus is not GOD.
And on the same theme might I ask you pagans why the holy spook never said all power and authority hadn't been given to him and he was jealous!
 
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r1xlx said:
Now try read on to verse: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead..
So GOD died and raised Himself back to life?
Your head is like a scifi epic.
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It states that the fulness of the Godhead (the Trinity) dwells in the Son of man (Jesus).
 
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r1xlx said:
Glad you agree the obvious.
GOD isn't Jesus and Jesus isn't GOD.
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“Now I desire to remind you (even though you have been fully informed of these facts once for all) that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, later destroyed those who did not believe.” Jude 5 (NET)
 
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