Oneness

[Cobus]

Ok, let me ask you this.... Let us say the Son stayed in heaven and Father came to earth and He occupies a body of flesh like Jesus did.... Would the Words of that man, be different? Nope Jesus spoke what Father wanted Him to speak... So the Words would be the same... Now the WORKS... would the works of the man Father is in be different.... Nope Jesus did what Father wanted Him to do.... So the works would be the same.... Now the whole charactor of the man Jesus as Son and the man God Father would have been... Would there be ANY difference between The man God would make out to be than the Man Jesus was..... Nope!!!! They are ONE AND THE SAME....

I know this.... If God puts His Holy Spirit in me, and in Kardi... we would BOTH BE ONE WITH GOD... Just as Jesus are one with God... The Words we speak would be the words of the Father.... The works we do would be the work Father would have done if he were in our shoes... Oh Wait it is HIM IN OUR SHOES... He is the Holy Spirit.... Just as Jesus is the Holy Spirit....

Jesus is not a EMPTY shell when he walked the earth.... The Holy Spirit is the ONLY SPIRIT that EVER were to be found in Jesus..... The day Jesus was BORN, that FIRST breath Jesus took as a fleshly man, that was the moment the Holy Spirit gave Jesus life.... Same as me... if I did not get a spirit when I exited my mothers womb, I WOULD BE A STILL BORN THAT NEVER LIVED..... God has to put a spirit in a person before the person can be a person... or else it is just about 8 pounds of meat and bone.... No spirit, no living soul.... A DEAD BABY....

John the Baptist and Jesus were the ONLY two babies I knew that was born with the Holy Ghost as the ONLY Spirit in them...
We have to swop our CLEANSED spirit for the Holy Spirit, before we will be filled with the Holy Spirit.... No other way out of this sinful world... Through the NARROW STRAIGHT GATE, is the ONLY way out... John and Jesus, did not have to go through this gate, they came from the otherside to begin with... That is why neither of them sinned... Oh John might have sinned as Elijah to make the Bible true... ALL have sinned and fall short... But then God made Elijah a prophet, and we know Prophets are HOLY MEN OF GOD... they CANNOT sin, because God made them HOLY! (2 Peter 1:21)

This is ALL provable in Scripture, without twistin a single verse... God can ONLY make a person holy ONE WAY... that is to fill him with HIS OWN SPIRIT... And then that person is as one with God as Jesus is ONE with God...
And ALL who are made holy is ONE BODY, ONE SPIRIT... ONE GOD in and through and above all... Eph 4.

 

[jb]

What you describe is a heresy called Modalism. It's not the Trinity.

Modalism wasn't taught by the Apostles, nor was it taught by the early fathers. In fact the early fathers opposed the teachings of Sabellius, Noetus and Praxeas who in the 3rd century introduced that teaching.

Food for thought for modalists: The Father loves the Son. How can that love be perfect if it is not a loved shared by two parties? Jesus prayed to Himself?

...Trust scripture's plain witness about the separate persons of the Godhead. Beware of gnostic "enlightenment".

Pretty much sums up this awful destructive HERESY (and there is no getting away from it)!

 

[kardiaoangelous]

Pretty much sums up this awful destructive HERESY (and there is no getting away from it)!

Yes, what we are seeing is that God could not be perceived adequately by the flesh and so when God liberated Israel from their bondage he created physical pictures under that Old Covenant arrangement to help the fleshly mind gain a glimpse of him.

The spiritual mind ought to not need to cling to those physical pictures but many are yet somewhat fleshly rather than completely spiritual in how they see things. And from that fleshly frame of mind they formed their mystery mistakenly believing that understanding that mystery means they see spiritually.

Christ is the key player in revealing the spiritual even as he was in revealing the physical illustrations which began when Israel was lead out of bondage to Egypt. In reality from the moment sin entered Christ became mankind's mediator through whom they might find ability to see God, even as in Revelation 13:8 the Lamb is said to have been slaughtered from the founding of the world. Having fallen to sin, men lost their ability to see spiritually, but of course some even more so that others.

What I am saying is that this Trinity mystery is the flesh mind refusing to let go of those physical illustrations and be helped to move from there into the spiritual. The account of Doubting Thomas' exclamation, "My Lord and My God", is before he had received the Holy Spirit and the whole of the account clearly shows his thinking to be yet highly fleshly. Yet, there are a few ways what he said could also be interpreted.

I think we need to factor in, though, that Christ is said to be that stone which was split for the Israelites to receive water. The question then is, 'Was that stone which was split to provide them water the same as, Deuteronomy 32:4 "He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he."

I say the answer is no. It was like the manna being a picture of Christ's body. That stone was split to get water whereas no one is going to strike God and split him. And the stone that was split was very small compared to the mountain of God. The splitting of that stone represented Christ's death through which after he returned to heaven he sent the Holy spirit to us as our helper that by it we might become able to drink the water of God's word and truly understand it.

 

[Iluv_Jesus]

My reasoning goes something like this. God is one God. But has three persons. Jesus refers to God the Father as Abba ( Father ). The Father says about Jesus, 'this is my son in whom I am well pleased', when John The Baptist baptizes Jesus in the river Jordan. Jesus prays to The Father in the garden of Gethsemane. Jesus says to His disciples in John 15:26-27, 26 "The Helper will come - the Spirit, who reveals the truth about God and who comes from the Father. I will send him to you from the Father, and he will speak about me. 27 And you, too, will speak about me, because you have been with me from the very beginning. So there you have it. From Jesus himself. And when we draw the sign of the cross. We say, In the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy spirit. Three persons. But one God. We as Christians have God's Holy Spirit in us.
Also read Matthew Chapter 12: verses 31 & 32 where Jesus speaks of the unpardonable sin. Anyone who speaks against the Son of Man ( Jesus ) will be forgiven, but the one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

Here's another way of looking at it. Is not Jesus God? Is not God The Father God? Is not The Holy Spirit God? They are the same God. They refer to each other. Read Genesis Chapter 1 verses 2, ' The Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters'. They are three persons. But one God. I hope that's a good answer.

 

[zone]

One of the people who is teaching this class has been to Bible school and has studied the history of the church and the Bible in Hebrew context as far as I know.

now, ask if jews believe in Jesus, and one reason they do not.

anybody that is suggesting there's something wrong with the Christian interpretation of the scriptures is likely departing from Christianity.

 

[MidniteWelder]

The error of the Oneness thought is that it teaches that Jesus is the same identity throughout the OT & NT, yet in the Gospel of Matthew it become quite clear that there are 3 distinct persons all in harmony with each other.

in unison, never each doing anything without the other, one will, one goal, one purpose....as you said
In perfect harmony,
like an orchestra

 

[kardiaoangelous]

now, ask if jews believe in Jesus, and one reason they do not.

anybody that is suggesting there's something wrong with the Christian interpretation of the scriptures is likely departing from Christianity.

Well yes, it would have to be that such a one has departed from the teachings of Christ or that Christianity somewhere along the line departed from the teachings of Christ. One or the other.

No argument there from me. So what does history reveal?

And even more important, would be whether or not the Bible itself reveals that Christianity would depart from the teachings of Christ.

So what does the Bible reveal about such and idea? I say that Christianity is the court yard at Revelation 11:1-2 but we know God's true church is the temple as Ephesians 2 toward the end of the chapter tells us.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

Well, have you considered the valuable information the Lord Jesus provides to us all?
For example, during the Lord's baptism, it is documented in the Gospel of Matthew:
16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately He went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to Him,and Hesaw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on Him;
17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is My beloved Son,with Whom I am well pleased" (Matthew 3:16-17).

Would you agree that the passage above has captured space and time of 3 distinct persons:
1. Jesus is on Earth,
2. the Spirit of God is descending from Heaven to Earth and towards Jesus,
3. the person in Heaven being pleased with Jesus.

The error of the Oneness thought is that it teaches that Jesus is the same identity throughout the OT & NT, yet in the Gospel of Matthew it become quite clear that there are 3 distinct persons all in harmony with each other.

Furthermore, there is the passage in the Gospel of John:

And I [Jesus] will ask the Father, and He will give you another Comforter, to be with you forever (John 14:16).
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Again, the Bible is clear in capturing 3 distinct persons in the same space and time reference.

The recommendation of our Lord Jesus is, "blessed are they that have not seen, yet have believed" (John 20:29).
For the Lord is good; His mercy is everlasting, and His truth endures to all generations (Psalm 100:5).

BananaPie

I would agree that the passage above has captured space and time of 3 distinct persons:
1. Jesus is on Earth, Fully the son of man
2. the Spirit of God is descending from Heaven to Earth and towards Jesus, (Fully God's Word, which Jesus said is spirit and life (John 6:63)
3. the person in Heaven being pleased with Jesus. (Fully One God speaking through that Fully One Spirit which came down out of heaven which is Fully One Word and that Word is Fully One with God.)

The adoptive process was thereby demonstrated to us as the Fully Son of Man was transitioned to be the Fully Son of God (for we do not hang onto our son of man status once we are translated to become sons of God. Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."


And as the Holy Spirit is Fully God's Word having the power to seal things with God's oath, as we see it did Jesus at his baptism, anointing him as the prophesied Messiah/King over Israel, thus: And I [Jesus] will ask the Father, and He will give you another Comforter, to be with you forever (John 14:16). (The oneness he promised his disciples would share with he and the Father. John 17:21 )

Thus the comforter is Fully God's Word being written onto our hearts.

16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately He went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to Him,
and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on Him; 17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is My beloved Son,with Whom I am well pleased" (Matthew 3:16-17).

Naturally the Holy Spirit speaking was a voice from heaven as it had just descended from there. It is Fully One with God and Fully God's Word.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

I misstated that: So correction,

Naturally the Holy Spirit speaking was a voice from heaven as it had just descended from there. It is Fully One IN God and Fully God's Word. The Son is Fully One WITH God and also The Son IN God by God's Holy Spirit IN the Son.

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

 

[kardiaoangelous]

Me thinks maybe I am beginning to confuse myself in that second post, second guessing the first words I received. I don't know. I need to commune about that some more.

 

[Stephen63]

Matthew 28:19[SUP]19[/SUP] Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Nowhere in Scripture does it say that the Father is the Son, the Father is the Holy Ghost, the Son is the Father, the Holy Spirit is the Son, etc..
John 14:16[SUP]16[/SUP] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
God does not pray to himself. There is no need if he is the same individual. "Another Comforter" speaks of a separate individual. One other than himself.
Matthew 11:27[SUP]27[/SUP] All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
If both were one, one would not need to give to the other. The Son reveals the Father.
Matthew 28:19[SUP]19[/SUP] Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Oneness many times teaches against this, but it is translated the same in all Bible versions.
Mark 13:32[SUP]32[/SUP] But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
The only way one of them can know is if they're two separate individuals.
Luke 10:22[SUP]22[/SUP] All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
Only the Son can reveal the Father to the world.
John 1:18[SUP]18[/SUP] No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
No man hath seen the Father, but many have seen the Son.
John 3:35[SUP]35[/SUP] The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
If he is the same, why should he give authority to himself, when he doesn't need to?
John 5:19[SUP]19[/SUP] Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
If they were the same, the Son can do everything the Father could do.
John 5:20[SUP]20[/SUP] For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Why would the Father need to show the Son anything he does if they're both the same?
John 5:22[SUP]22[/SUP] For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
This can only be true if there are two.
John 5:23[SUP]23[/SUP] That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
One has sent the other. That's not possible if they're the same.
John 8:28[SUP]28[/SUP] Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
God does not teach himself.
John 17:1[SUP]1[/SUP] These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
If they were the same,there would be no need to ask.
Hebrews 1:5[SUP]5[/SUP] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Two totally separate individuals.

 

[BananaPie]

Please God, let this not be another 150 page thread about the nature of the Trinity.

...neither 200-page thread on OSAS nor Predestination nor Women preachers nor Pre-Trib Rapture nor KJV only nor 144,000-page on Jehovah Witnesses nor it's a Catholic conspiracy nor the Law has been crucified nor...

What was the question again?

 

[Angela53510]

So many Scriptures it is hard to know where to start!!

So if there is only ONE, as this heresy states - how do you explain the TWO in the following verses?

Mark 16:19 "So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God."

Romans 8:34 "Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us."

Acts 2:32-33 "This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. [SUP]33 [/SUP]Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing."

Revelation 3:21 "The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne."

In each case above, Jesus is separate and distinct from the Father. He speaks of the Father as being unique from him. That does not mean, they are not one in unity and spirit. But even in the Hebrew in the Old Testament, God is often referred to as Elohim - and that is usually translated as God, but it is in fact the plural of the noun. That means more than ONE!

As far as the Spirit also having his own unique personality and identity, a quick look also reveals that the Father is unique from the Son, as they both are unique from the Spirit.

John 14:16 "And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,"

John 15:26 "But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me."

Acts 1:4-5 "And while staying with them he ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, he said, “you heard from me; [SUP]5 [/SUP]for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

In all of the above cases, Jesus is talking about the coming of the Spirit, from the Father. Three distinct and unique personalities! But all one in purpose, will and diversity.

With regards to the doctrine of the Trinity, which I agree is not a Biblical word, but does express a concept that is found in the pages of the Bible, we can say four things:
1. God is one!
2. God is three!
3. God is a diversity!
4. God is a unity!

The divine activity is is characterized by cooperation among the three members of the Trinity. The Father is the ground in creation, the Son and the Spirit act with the Father in the creative task. (See Gen 1) and also:

Col 1:16-17 "For byhim all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together."

Next, the Son is the redeemer of humanity, the Father and the Spirit are involved with the Son in the program of reconciliation. The Father is the agent at work through the Son

2 Cor. 5:18-19 "All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; [SUP]19 [/SUP]that is, in Christ, God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation."

And the Spirit is the divine power effecting the process from the new birth to the eschatological resurrection!

Finally, although the Spirit is the completer of the divine program, he is joined in this eschatological work by the Son and the Father. The Son is the Lord who will return in glory. The Father is the One who will be "all in all."

1 Cor. 15:28 "When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all."

As these examples indicate, in each divine work the Father acts through the Son, and by the agency of the Spirit.

In essence, the Father, Son and Spirit are built on an eternal, ontological unity in diversity. They are interrelated, in partnership and mutual dependance not only in the workings of the world, but even more foundationally in their very substance as the one God.

The unity which the three constitute and therefore comprise the divine essence is agape (love).

1 John 4:7-10 "Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God.[SUP]8 [/SUP]Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. [SUP]9 [/SUP]In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. [SUP]10 [/SUP]In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins."

This does not mean that love is God, but God is love! LOVE is a relational term, which implies that there is someone who loves and someone who is being loved. Therefore, love has no objective existence apart from being the relation between the lover and the beloved.

God is love - the divine essence is the love that binds together the Trinity.

I know this was long and theological, but I felt it important to discuss the theology, and the many Scriptures which support the Trinity. I am a chaplain, and I have a Master of Divinity, and have studied both Greek and Hebrew extensively. But that does not mean you should believe me, but rather ask God to test this spirit of false theology! For myself, I want assure you, there is NO support for 'oneness" theology in the Bible, and enormous amounts for the Trinity.

On a personal note, I have a good friend who got sucked into this theologically wrong reading of the Bible. It has lead him down countless blind allies in his personal life, his church membership, and financially. I personally think it is demonic, but no Scriptures to prove it.

I do think you need to go to a Bible believing church, and quickly get away from this theology, which is so wrong Biblically and find a church that worships the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as three in one.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

Matthew 28:19[SUP]19[/SUP] Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Nowhere in Scripture does it say that the Father is the Son, the Father is the Holy Ghost, the Son is the Father, the Holy Spirit is the Son, etc..
John 14:16[SUP]16[/SUP] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
God does not pray to himself. There is no need if he is the same individual. "Another Comforter" speaks of a separate individual. One other than himself.
Matthew 11:27[SUP]27[/SUP] All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
If both were one, one would not need to give to the other. The Son reveals the Father.
Matthew 28:19[SUP]19[/SUP] Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Oneness many times teaches against this, but it is translated the same in all Bible versions.
Mark 13:32[SUP]32[/SUP] But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
The only way one of them can know is if they're two separate individuals.
Luke 10:22[SUP]22[/SUP] All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
Only the Son can reveal the Father to the world.
John 1:18[SUP]18[/SUP] No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
No man hath seen the Father, but many have seen the Son.
John 3:35[SUP]35[/SUP] The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
If he is the same, why should he give authority to himself, when he doesn't need to?
John 5:19[SUP]19[/SUP] Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
If they were the same, the Son can do everything the Father could do.
John 5:20[SUP]20[/SUP] For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Why would the Father need to show the Son anything he does if they're both the same?
John 5:22[SUP]22[/SUP] For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
This can only be true if there are two.
John 5:23[SUP]23[/SUP] That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
One has sent the other. That's not possible if they're the same.
John 8:28[SUP]28[/SUP] Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
God does not teach himself.
John 17:1[SUP]1[/SUP] These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
If they were the same,there would be no need to ask.
Hebrews 1:5[SUP]5[/SUP] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Two totally separate individuals.

That is why I highlighted this: John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.


It seems to be speaking of a unity kind of oneness which we are able to be born into and become a part of as also Galatians seems to indicate: Galatians 3:28"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

But this unity is clearly able to pass along authority with it, though quite clearly the Father always remains the highest in authority, even over the Son: John 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."

 

[kardiaoangelous]

Kind of difficult not to be the person you are being used as the right arm and right hand of, isn't it Angela.

But then that is because for one to do that it is the brain in that person that must control that right arm and right hand.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

Uh-oh, there I go thinking again.

God is the brain, Jesus the head which contains and defends the brain by the brain's power which is the Holy Spirit.

The same power which transfers the knowledge and will of the brain, through the nerves which are the connective tissues of oneness, from the head unto all parts of the body (aka The Body Of Christ).


Why do I have visions of Stephen63 scratching his head?

 

[GreenNnice]

One God, three, forms showing us the way to act, live, serve, and, of course, love, how to love with a love that man on his own cannot do, but by His strengty we can Love in this way, which starts with Loving Him as He wants us to Love Him. I call it a poker term, 'all in,' with ALL your heart, ALL your mind, ALL your body. This Love way to Him leads to the SAME Love way to others leads to the way Home, which can only come through Christ Jesus our Lord who was God manifested in the flesh, crucified, rose again, showing us the ONLY way Home, which, is, where Jesus,is Home now, sitti g at the right hand of His Father in heaven, which since He IS one God in THREE distinct persons, Who is Jesus sitting next to? Himself? Yes. And, to complicate matters further, His Holy Spirit is down on Earth inside us ALL. I KNoW, so much just too in, pray to Him, He will.reveal to you He is, indeed, ”all.and all,” that Jesus Christ is God, God is spirit and, His Holy Spirit was sent to Earth to, in so many ways, explain ALL

”John 14:6 ”I am the way, the truth, the life, no man can come to the Father but by Me.” So why was Jesus on Earth? To show us Himself, to show us God, to introduce the Holy Spirit would come upon ALL lives after Jesus ascended Home, for those who simply asked in His name to received Him. Justification=Jesus. Sanctification=Holy Spirit. Glorification=God. One day we will.have a glorified body, forevermore living with Him.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Oneness theology cuts through the very heart of biblical theology. It rejects and distorts the biblical revelation of God. Regrettably, the Oneness view of God has found its way into Christian communities and networks of all sorts including CC.

The lies of Oneness doctrine are pure heresy. They twist scripture, twist history, and purvey a great many heretical lies. This forum is filled with threads Oneness deceivers created in their attempt to "convert" people from the truth into their deception. You'll want to find a new church and right quick. It sounds like you stumbled into a Oneness Pentecostal "church" cult.

For a primer on unveiling Oneness deception, you can start with these resources:

1. A Definitive Look at Oneness Theology: Defending the Tri-Unity of God by Edward L. Dalcour
2. "Jesus only" Churches by E. Calvin Beisner
3. The Trinity & Eternal Sonship of Christ: A Defense Against "Oneness Pentecostal" Attacks on Historic Christianity by Bob L. Ross
4. A Study On The Development of the Trinity Doctrine From Nicea To the Present by Justyn M. of The Bereans
5. The Heresy of Orthodoxy: How Contemporary Culture's Fascination with Diversity Has Reshaped Our Understanding of Early Christianity by Andreas J. Köstenberger and Michael J. Kruger
6. Oneness Pentecostals and the Trinity by Ian Kyle and Liberty Theological Seminary
Etc...

And understand that some on this board have customized the original Oneness doctrine with fanciful imagination 2 Corinthians 10:5 style. You'll need to be able to identify these "homegrown" deceivers as well.

Hello everyone!

We have just started a student ministry class at my church and are currently talking about Oneness vs. Trinity. Now the people who are teaching the class strongly believe in Oneness meaning God is only ONE being and the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are not separate. This is probably the most confusing thing in the Bible to me...I have always thought of God being 3 that are separate but ALL make up God, and God is One because they are all in one accord, same heart, same mind, same purpose kind of like marriage and the scripture that says "the two shall become one flesh" of course that belief is being challenged in this class. I believe Jesus is fully God the bible clearly says that in 1 John "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God." It also says the Word became flesh...that's Jesus.
What I'm stuck on is is God only ONE being or is God made up of 3 beings?
I have been studying several scriptures and asked God to help me see the truth....I'm curious what's your take on this? Do you believe God is made up of 3 beings or is God only One being who manifest himself in 3 ways? Please back up your answer with scripture I'm not looking for just a personal opinion or what someone else told you, if its not in Gods word it wont help me.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

One God, three, forms showing us the way to act, live, serve, and, of course, love, how to love with a love that man on his own cannot do, but by His strengty we can Love in this way, which starts with Loving Him as He wants us to Love Him. I call it a poker term, 'all in,' with ALL your heart, ALL your mind, ALL your body. This Love way to Him leads to the SAME Love way to others leads to the way Home, which can only come through Christ Jesus our Lord who was God manifested in the flesh, crucified, rose again, showing us the ONLY way Home, which, is, where Jesus,is Home now, sitti g at the right hand of His Father in heaven, which since He IS one God in THREE distinct persons, Who is Jesus sitting next to? Himself? Yes. And, to complicate matters further, His Holy Spirit is down on Earth inside us ALL. I KNoW, so much just too in, pray to Him, He will.reveal to you He is, indeed, ”all.and all,” that Jesus Christ is God, God is spirit and, His Holy Spirit was sent to Earth to, in so many ways, explain ALL

”John 14:6 ”I am the way, the truth, the life, no man can come to the Father but by Me.” So why was Jesus on Earth? To show us Himself, to show us God, to introduce the Holy Spirit would come upon ALL lives after Jesus ascended Home, for those who simply asked in His name to received Him. Justification=Jesus. Sanctification=Holy Spirit. Glorification=God. One day we will.have a glorified body, forevermore living with Him.

And I see no problem with one viewing it that way but for the fact that Jesus had to be truly divested of that to be tempted as we are (actually as those Hebrews were to whom Paul was speaking), else it was not really an experience through which he could fully sympathize with our plight.

That is why I say that before Jesus' baptism and his anointing with God's spirit, he was fully man and only fully man.

But I have reason to believe that was even necessary until at the very least he died on our behalf. We being fully man can receive power as he did, also.

 

[soldierofchrist4ever24]

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