Only pray for God’s will to be done

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2ndTimothyGroup

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Runningman said:
When you pray you don’t really need to ask for anything other than God’s will being done.
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It seems to me like the Will of the Lord will be done regardless.

Matthew 10:28-31 KJV - "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. 29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. 30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows."

And then there is the Scroll of the Lord (which I have posted about a two dozen times). The physical world is predetermined by the Scroll of the Lord as is a program determined by its prewritten code. The program does what it does because it was pre-determined in all of its functions. And so is the world.
 
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JStates said:
I've gotta say I strongly agree with you on this one, Dino.

God's will WILL BE done eventually. Seems kinda redundant to only pray that it will be. Hannah prayed for a child, which was not a need and not necessarily God's will for her... or at least, she could not have known if it was or not.

So I think in essence when we pray we are asking for things to be done for us if they are compatible with God's will.

Prayer is a bit of a mystery and a miracle when answered. I definitely don't have all the answers to how it works. I can say I've prayed for things for years that God didn't see fit to give, and clearly unbiblical choices of other humans actually prevented these prayers from being answered. Where does that leave me? Was I praying for the right things? Was God's will done in these things?

I don't know, and honestly God doesn't owe me an answer. But I'm still instructed to pray regardless. An exercise in faith I suppose.
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Still seems like we just need to ask for God's will to be done. Maybe during that prayer we can talk about all the ways we can serve God? That can be the relationship aspect we are required to have.
 
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2ndTimothyGroup said:
It seems to me like the Will of the Lord will be done regardless.

Matthew 10:28-31 KJV - "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. 29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. 30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows."

And then there is the Scroll of the Lord (which I have posted about a two dozen times). The physical world is predetermined by the Scroll of the Lord as is a program determined by its prewritten code. The program does what it does because it was pre-determined in all of its functions. And so is the world.
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This topic started because I asked God what I should pray for. If God is also instructing our prayer life then our prayers are conforming to God's will. Question, should we be praying anything that God does not want us to pray?
 
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Runningman said:
Question, should we be praying anything that God does not want us to pray?
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Great question. I think that those who have been Transformed, they will soon enough learn to know what the Lord's Will is. And what is that Will? To be used by God as His Property . . . just as He wishes. Total submission. And when we Submit, we will Obey, and when we Obey, we will finally become Confident, and when we are Confident, we will finally Share the True Gospel.

Romans 12:2 NLT - "Don't copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God's will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect."

As Paul states, we cannot know the Will of God until we have been Transformed. And this is just another reason for why I constantly teach Colossians 2:9-15 . . . the Circumcision of Christ.
 
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Runningman said:
Still seems like we just need to ask for God's will to be done. Maybe during that prayer we can talk about all the ways we can serve God? That can be the relationship aspect we are required to have.
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If, when you sit down to pray, the only thing you on your mind is "God's will be done", then I think that's great.

I think that's fantastic.

However, if it is on someone's heart to communicate more than that, and he wants to examine all the different aspects of prayer, then we would need to follow the topic through the entire bible.... because there is a LOT said about prayer.
We have many different examples, and many different kinds of things to pray about, and many ways to look at the entire topic.


I guess I would sum it up with an analogy.
A. Prayer is our communication with God.
B. Is there only 1 way to talk to someone you love? Only one method? Only one style? Only 1 subject?
C. Of course not, there are many ways to communicate with someone you love.
D. But though there are many ways to communicate with someone you love, there is only one ultimate end... to deepen the relationship.
(And we deepen it by discussing and addressing absolutely anything that is required to that end.)
E. Prayer is a little bit like that. It is communication with a person we love.
But instead of communicating with a human person, it is a divine person.... who is, by definition, imbued with all the unique attributes of the divine.... which means he created us... which means our relationship is never one of equals, but of dependence and gratitude of the lesser toward the greater.
F. Conclusion: So when we communicate with this divine person we love, we can communicate in all the different ways which are needful, and they all have the ultimate end of deepening our relationship, which is not an ordinary relationship, but one of dependence and submission.


If you want to describe it some other way.... or some simpler way.... I think that's fine.



This has been a great topic for discussion.
God Bless.

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