Origins of a Contrite Heart?

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loveme1

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Love Me,

Are you talking about a child of the rebellion or a child of God having the Spirit? If a child of God who has the Spirit as a Tutor, I am in agreement and feel that you have hit the nail on the head.
are we delving into the lost sheep v goat here my friend?
 
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are we delving into the lost sheep v goat here my friend?
Was not my intent, just that this tread is about a contrite heart and the process of a child of the rebellion coming to Christ. And knowing that serveral posts have veered off, I was just curious as to which group you were talking about so that I could know where you were coming from.
 

loveme1

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I wrote of my experience and at the same time consider i was in Rebellion each time i did something i knew was wrong.

Though i was yet to hear much Truth i still felt awful and wanted to be good.

I believe some people read the Bible with view of enemy to Heavenly Father.

They sympathize with "satan" who was only trying to help man "escape" ....

I believe and Love Heavenly Father and what he says goes.

No questioning His authority or Rebelling.. i'm forever grateful. To live and to know him is a Blessing.

Yet some of this world are knowingly against him.

The Messiah said to Love our enemies.. he never said we would not have enemies but that we should love them.
 
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I wrote of my experience and at the same time consider i was in Rebellion each time i did something i knew was wrong.

Though i was yet to hear much Truth i still felt awful and wanted to be good.

I believe some people read the Bible with view of enemy to Heavenly Father.

They sympathize with "satan" who was only trying to help man "escape" ....

I believe and Love Heavenly Father and what he says goes.

No questioning His authority or Rebelling.. i'm forever grateful. To live and to know him is a Blessing.

Yet some of this world are knowingly against him.

The Messiah said to Love our enemies.. he never said we would not have enemies but that we should love them.
So humans, having been led to a contrite heart, are able to voice their own sorrow for their rebellion and repent without being coherced into a repentance?

As pertaining to those who purposely read Scripture with the intent of being an enemy using God's word again His children, there are many who leads away from the cross. Luckly, we are to only follow One if we are to ever reach Home.

Thanks.
 

Bookends

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May I ask what you make of 1 Corinthians 3:16-17? :) (could not resist)
I answered your question here in post #127, not sure if you read it. Usually you have some comment to say so I wanted to make sure that you knew I answered it.

Peace!
 
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This is how I interpret 1 Cor 3:16-17:
In the old testament, how was the physical temple (which is a type to our physical bodies and the Church) defiled? Was it not by offering unclean animals, an un-sincere offering, or bring in a false idol, worshiping other gods? I believe the context of 1 Corinthians 3:16-17 is in verses 5 through 15, verse 9 in particular, "9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building." Paul is not talking about individual salvation here. He's talking about the Church corporately. And if anyone comes into the Church and tries to lay a new foundation (a false teaching), something other then the gospel of Jesus Christ, which Paul had taught, that the work of that individual will be destroyed, burned by fire (verse 15), but that individual will be saved from that destruction (so that he will have time to repent).

So verse 16 and 17 Paul is staying to the corporate Church body of the Corinthians that they are the body of Christ, the temple of Christ, and the person who tries to corrupt them will see his works destroyed, also per verse 15, "If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire." When Paul says "God will destroy him" he is not talking about death, but his works and reputation, and of coarse if this person does not repent and receive Christ he will ultimately see destruction (ruin) of his eternal soul.
Having looked further into the matter and having taken consideration of not only your comments but those of Barnes etc, allow me this one question: if one comes to preach in order to destroy, is that not the same as preaching a false gospel and of which consequences, not only will his works be burnt, but he himself shall be cursed upon the Lord's return, implicating that he will see the second death? But yet, it is said here that his works will be burnt up but he himself shall be saved. To me, it is speaking of workers of Christ who builds upon the foundation of Christ.

But could it be speaking of those who come to teach in the name of Christ, but does not seem to have it just right, but the intent is right?

1Co 3:16ουκG3756 PRT-N - (not (abs. neg.)) οιδατεG1492 V-RAI-2P - (have you* known) οτιG3754 CONJ - (that) ναοςG3485 N-NSM - (temple) θεουG2316 N-GSM - (God's) εστεG1510 V-PAI-2P - (you* are) καιG2532 CONJ - (and) το πνευμαG4151 N-NSN - (the Spirit) του θεουG2316 N-GSM - (of the God) οικειG3611 V-PAI-3S - (Spirit does reside (occupy a house, cohabit)) ενG1722 PREP - (in) υμινG4771 P-2DP - (in you*)

1Co 3:17ειG1487 COND - (if) τιςG5100 X-NSM - (any one) τον ναονG3485 N-ASM - (this temple) του θεουG2316 N-GSM - (of the God) φθειρειG5351 V-PAI-3S - (anyone does defile) φθερειG5351 V-FAI-3S - (God shall destroy) τουτονG3778 D-ASM - (that + the one) ο θεοςG2316 N-NSM - (the God) οG3588 T-NSM - (the one) γαρG1063 CONJ - (seeing that) ναοςG3485 N-NSM - (temple) του θεουG2316 N-GSM - (God's) αγιοςG40 A-NSM - (holy) εστινG1510 V-PAI-3S - (temple is) οιτινεςG3748 R-NPM - (which) εστεG1510 V-PAI-2P - (you* are) υμειςG4771 P-2NP - (you*)
verse 16:17 Have you* not know that you* are God's temple and the Spirit of God does reside in you*. If anyone does defile this temple of God, God shall destroy that one, seeing that God's temple is holy, which you* are.
 

loveme1

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So humans, having been led to a contrite heart, are able to voice their own sorrow for their rebellion and repent without being coherced into a repentance?

As pertaining to those who purposely read Scripture with the intent of being an enemy using God's word again His children, there are many who leads away from the cross. Luckly, we are to only follow One if we are to ever reach Home.

Thanks.
James 4

From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? 2Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. 3Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. 4Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. 5Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy? 6But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. 7Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. 9Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. 10Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
When i read this for first time:

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
I thought why would anyone hate Him.... this was surprising to me.

I once thought that if we all stopped what we were doing around the world and all called for the Almighty at the same time he would come....

i knew not then, what was revealed about this world.

I called and He came.

Do others not call? i know not...

Please Share your views i much await them.
 
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cfultz3

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James 4



When i read this for first time:



I thought why would anyone hate Him.... this was surprising to me.

I once thought that if we all stopped what we were doing around the world and all called for the Almighty at the same time he would come....

i knew not then, what was revealed about this world.

I called and He came.

Do others not call? i know not...

Please Share your views i much await them.
My views are not much different than yours. He comes when we call. He is found when we seek Him. He leads when we submit to Him. Faith is most true when it is done actively and accompanies greater things when God sees a soul seeking Him.
 
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Is anyone willing to continue with this study of a contrite heart?
 
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Hi Rick,

Why do you keep saying, 'we have been through this Chris', I think this is the third time in posts you have said this?

Anyway, it is not that we are not drawn by God, it is very well understood that God draws, but even in Scripture, we understand that not all will come to Christ. The old saying, 'You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink', should explain, just like the horse, we choose 'to be or not to be'.

As far as I understand, all things are subject to the Sovereignty of God, seeing that He is the Potter. Are you implying that Jesus were coerced like a puppet to fulfill God's will? Are humans coerced also to fulfill God's will?
Am I misspelling your name?
Are you Cris or Chris?
I keep asking it because we have been over this time and time again.
Remember our private thread?
Remember it?
My answers seemed to suffice you then because you changed your way of thinking shortly after you erased the thread.
Do you remember?
Let's start another thread so we can go through it again.
I will start it under the heading: Total Depravity vs. Freewill.
Please join.
 
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GreenNnice

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Am I misspelling your name?
Are you Cris or Chris?
I keep asking it because we have been over this time and time again.
Remember our private thread?
Remember it?
My answers seemed to suffice you then because you changed your way of thinking shortly after you erased the thread.
Do you remember?
Let's start another thread so we can go through it again.
I will start it under the heading: Total Depravity vs. Freewill.
Please join.
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LOL, Rick, I say this in love to eg, because I am pretty sure he know not what he do, but he was talking with cee the other day and kept calling him 'clutz.'

Cee, ya know I love ya, man :) I love you too, eg, btw, and, rickshafe, YOU are three :)
 

Bookends

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Matthew 11:27;
27 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.

Cee, please explain to me what you think Jesus is saying here, "the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him".
 
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cfultz3

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Am I misspelling your name?
Are you Cris or Chris? Chris
I keep asking it because we have been over this time and time again. Have we talked about a contrite heart before or was it that we talked about works? Time and time again: where your prupose to convert me or was it an opned discussion?
Remember our private thread? Yes
Remember it? Yes
My answers seemed to suffice you then because you changed your way of thinking shortly after you erased the thread. I believe my change came from that 1 Cornithian study where building upon the foundation of Christ and how the material of the building is judged.
Do you remember? Yes
Let's start another thread so we can go through it again.
I will start it under the heading: Total Depravity vs. Freewill.
Please join. No, thank you, see second reply.
 
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cfultz3

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Matthew 11:27;
27 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.

Cee, please explain to me what you think Jesus is saying here, "the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him".
That one cannot come to the Father except through the Son and that v28 tells us it is whosoever is seeking rest from his labors.

I assume that one who is broken is shown the Light (Christ) first before becoming a child of God (Father)?
 
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Fine Chris.
Please read it though.
Total Depravity vs. free will.
 
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cfultz3

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Fine Chris.
Please read it though.
Total Depravity vs. free will.
So, it was your purpose to have corrected me instead of having an opened exchange of ideas and allowing those words to speak for themselves?

P.S.

There is a conversation going on in 'the absurtity of being born a sinner' thread. We can speak in that thread as it pertains to freewill and total depravity.
 
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I had no purpose except to redo what we did before(so others could see).
But it is off and running now.
Sorry for the offense.
 
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cfultz3

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I had no purpose except to redo what we did before(so others could see).
But it is off and running now.
Sorry for the offense.
no problem, but when the indication is given that you have corrected me once and that you will do it again, does not give much to your side of the conversation being more than an attempt to prove one wrong.
 

Bookends

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That one cannot come to the Father except through the Son and that v28 tells us it is whosoever is seeking rest from his labors.

I assume that one who is broken is shown the Light (Christ) first before becoming a child of God (Father)?
The passage seems to indicate that Jesus wills this light to be shown, a great example of this could be the conversion of the Apostle Paul. Out of respect for you Cee, your answer does not adequately answer or explain how that Jesus "wills to reveal Himself" to the one of a broken heart. If you look at the beginning of this passage, Jesus is actually talking about the wise and intelligent, they certain aren't broken hearted. And goes to the infants,which are the ones whom seem easily persuaded in who Christ is and what He's done. But in the passage the things (unrepentance and judgment; see the previous verses 20-24) are hidden by God to the wise and intelligent, and revealed by God to the infants.

To me this passage seems to indicate that some need Christ to reveal Himself to them in a stronger or supernatural sense, like Paul. While some others, the infants, weary and heavy- laden, come more willingly. But in either case, an individual needs to make the choice to come.
 
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cfultz3

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The passage seems to indicate that Jesus wills this light to be shown, a great example of this could be the conversion of the Apostle Paul. Out of respect for you Cee, your answer does not adequately answer or explain how that Jesus "wills to reveal Himself" to the one of a broken heart. If you look at the beginning of this passage, Jesus is actually talking about the wise and intelligent, they certain aren't broken hearted. And goes to the infants,which are the ones whom seem easily persuaded in who Christ is and what He's done. But in the passage the things (unrepentance and judgment; see the previous verses 20-24) are hidden by God to the wise and intelligent, and revealed by God to the infants.

To me this passage seems to indicate that some need Christ to reveal Himself to them in a stronger or supernatural sense, like Paul. While some others, the infants, weary and heavy- laden, come more willingly. But in either case, an individual needs to make the choice to come.
I need to prep for the day and should be gone for about 1 hour. Bookends, if you would, while I am gone, will you expand upon.
Thank you Bookends.