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eternally-gratefull

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justbyfaith said:
Yes, there is a false teaching out there, that the whole concept of "abiding" is not of the Holy Spirit.

Nevertheless, the scripture is clear.

1Jo 3:6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1Jo 2:17, And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

1Jo 2:27, But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
1Jo 2:28, And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

Let the reader note that @eternally-gratefull has misrepresented my position.

For I am not saying that one must abide in order to stay in salvation. One can fail to abide and yet still be saved.

However, eternal rewards will be affected by how often a man abides or else fails to do so.
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Explain to us how abiding and continuing in his goodness differs..
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
You must continue to abide. Or you will fall.

and when you fall. You are lost
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Jde 1:24, Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

2Pe 1:10, Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

1Jo 2:10, He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
 
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justbyfaith said:
Jde 1:24, Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

2Pe 1:10, Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

1Jo 2:10, He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
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Yep.
Its all God.

Its none of you

Eternal life is eternal. If it can be lost, its conditional life and God lied

We HAVE eternal life right now

Yet your preaching conditional life
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Yep.
Its all God.

Its none of you

Eternal life is eternal. If it can be lost, its conditional life and God lied

We HAVE eternal life right now

Yet your preaching conditional life
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You are misrepresenting my position.

I believe that once a person has genuine eternal life, it is for ever.

For, the person who is sealed by the Holy Spirit will not fail to continue in His goodness.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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justbyfaith said:
You are misrepresenting my position.

I believe that once a person has genuine eternal life, it is for ever.

For, the person who is sealed by the Holy Spirit will not fail to continue in His goodness.
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Then like I said, they can never lose salvation

You stated we can.

So excuse me for being confused.
 
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justbyfaith said:
One can go in and out of abiding.

Continuing in His goodness has to do with a consistent walk.
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A person born of God can;t sin

Whoever sins has never seen or known God

A child can’t Go back to living as they did
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Then like I said, they can never lose salvation

You stated we can.

So excuse me for being confused.
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Did I say, specifically, that we can lose our salvation? use the quote feature and show where I said that.

I said that Romans 11:20-22 applies to individuals;

And the point that I am trying to make is that faith in Jesus produces a holy life for the rest of your life, and if it fails to do so, then maybe you didn't have a genuine faith.

The reality is, whether or not you can lose your salvation is a moot point. The reality is that if someone ceases to have faith in Jesus Christ, they are not saved at that point; whether they were saved before or whether they did not have genuine salvation is a moot point. So, let's encourage one another to continue in the faith rather than arguing over issues that have no bearing on anything.
 
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justbyfaith said:
Did I say, specifically, that we can lose our salvation? use the quote feature and show where I said that.
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eternally-gratefull said:
So you believe once a child has true living faith they have eternal life. And that eternal life can be lost?

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justbyfaith said:
Yes.

Of course, if we fail to continue in His goodness, we will be cut off.

But being sealed by the Holy Spirit guarantees that we will continue in His goodness.
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There is it in black and white
 
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justbyfaith said:
Of course you took my words out of context. if you would have read what was after, you would have seen that I was not saying that a genuine believer can lose his salvation.
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No

You just said YES and showed how someone can FALL AWAY just for the fun of it.
 
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justbyfaith said:
A true child of God.

2Co 13:5, Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
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Can a child of God who is born again and has been given eternal life lose salvation under any circumstance?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
No

You just said YES and showed how someone can FALL AWAY just for the fun of it.
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How did I do that?

There are scriptures on both sides of the issue.

eternally-gratefull said:
Can a child of God who is born again and has been given eternal life lose salvation under any circumstance?
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Not in my opinion.

For it is written,

1Jo 3:9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1Jo 3:6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1Jo 2:17, And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth ***for ever***.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Your right

Thats why a child of god CAN NOT BE CUT OFF..
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You really should capitalize "God".

Not to do so is a sign of disrespect towards Him.

You can catch those kinds of errors easily and correct them before there is no more editing time.
 
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justbyfaith said:
How did I do that?

There are scriptures on both sides of the issue.



Not in my opinion.

For it is written,

1Jo 3:9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1Jo 3:6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1Jo 2:17, And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth ***for ever***.
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Then why do you preach people can fall away?

if a person does not have eternal life. They can not fall away, they are already dead
 
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