Our Responsibility Before and After the Rapture

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FeedtheMachine

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For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” – Matthew 24:21-31

“And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?” – Revelation 6:12-19

“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.” – Revelation 7:9-14

I have had Pastor friends try to convince me of a pre-trib rapture and they have presented all kinds of Scripture to try and convince me of their views, to which I only apologise. The Words of Jesus in my Bible is marked in red and I pay particular close attention to those words and in Matthew 24 He says He returns after the tribulation and that kind of settles the argument in my point of view. We should maybe spend less time arguing about the tribulation and the rapture and spend more time trying to bring those who are lost to Jesus, so that they too can experience His love and have a chance at eternal life.

Just my opinion…
 

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This thread is dedicated to the results of the Rapture*****I respect Pre-Trib----Mid-Trib---Post Trib****I have studied the End Times for 40 years and heard all the views***I personally believe in Pre-Trib because I see it clearly in the Scriptures***I follow ministries which believe in the other views and have no problem with this aspect of theology----it doesn't determine our Salvation***I have studied theology courses in College which were conducted by educated people who teach the Rapture (they studied at such Colleges as Princeton, ect.)***I tried to find the very best teaching on opposing views to the Rapture because I wanted to be sure I could commit to this teaching when being licensed to preach***Every opposing teaching I have found to the Rapture by all sort of ministries could not move me from what I had found in the Scriptures****I will follow up in this thread on some things I believe will happen in the future and what are responsibilities are now to prepare for them...
***The Rapture/Who Are You Looking For? We are looking for Christ's unexpected return (no man knows the day or hour) ***if we are looking for the Anti-Christ we would not have Christ come unexpectedly for we would know the day of His return since the Tribulation---Mid-Tribulation---and End of the Tribulation is map out***looking for Christ purifies us and keep us alert to being ready***if unbelievers are hearing that Christ will come at the End of the Tribulation, they may wait to see if the Anti-Christ will appear and miss the Rapture and be very mad (just saying)...
 

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***The Rapture/Think About It ***just a little info about the Rapture***not trying to push my ideas on people, but rather to encourage***to be honest with you, some of the people that are against the Rapture are probably going to be mad when it happens----just my impression---sorry***One of the Bible teachers I love is Chuck Smith***he said one time if I recall correctly he doesn't teach on the Rapture as a separate topic at that time because it is all through the Bible and he would teach on it as he came across Rapture passages***I will try to share some things I have discovered about the Rapture***if you are hungry for good teaching on the Rapture I recommend Perry Stone***just to wet your appetite I would like you to find the Rapture in the Letters to the 7 Churches in Revelation----I'll give you a clue---one Church might get tossed into Great Tribulation, while another Church is promised escape from the hour of temptation coming upon the Earth... ***sorry if I ruined your day if your Post-Trib ect.----not my intent to cause strife, rather encouragement and blessing...
The letters in Revelation were written to seven Churches facing persecution in the first century, not American churches having a comfortable time in the 21st. While we can learn much from the contents reading into it a eschatological system that barely existed prior to 1830 and which was promoted by cultists and criminals hardly recommends one to believe in it.
 

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The letters in Revelation were written to seven Churches facing persecution in the first century, not American churches having a comfortable time in the 21st. While we can learn much from the contents reading into it a eschatological system that barely existed prior to 1830 and which was promoted by cultists and criminals hardly recommends one to believe in it.
The letters were indeed written to those seven churches of that time and also to every church and believer throughout the entire church period. The letters also represent the entire church period, as the "what is now." Once the "what is now" has completed, the the Lord will say to the living church "come up here and I will show you what must take place after this," i.e, after the "what is now" which is the church period. The "what must take place later" are the events of wrath described via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, leading up to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age.
 

valiant

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The letters were indeed written to those seven churches of that time and also to every church and believer throughout the entire church period. The letters also represent the entire church period, as the "what is now." Once the "what is now" has completed, the the Lord will say to the living church "come up here and I will show you what must take place after this," i.e, after the "what is now" which is the church period. The "what must take place later" are the events of wrath described via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, leading up to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age.
John wrote to the church of his day and what followed in ch 4 onwards was to the church of his day. That is why Revelation has had a message for every century, beginning at the 1st. Christians have come out of tribulation in every century.

The seals began to be opened in 1st century and were based on Matthew 24. They were the outline of the 'history' to come. It was RC scholars who made it 'end time' to protect their own church.
 

tanakh

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John wrote to the church of his day and what followed in ch 4 onwards was to the church of his day. That is why Revelation has had a message for every century, beginning at the 1st. Christians have come out of tribulation in every century.

The seals began to be opened in 1st century and were based on Matthew 24. They were the outline of the 'history' to come. It was RC scholars who made it 'end time' to protect their own church.
You are right. The main instigator was Francisco Ribera a Jesuit Priest who was commissioned by the Pope to counter the reformers claims that he was the antichrist. He did this by writing a commentary on Revelation that pushed the antichrist and the second coming into the distant future. By doing so he created the Futurist position which was then later adopted by Protestants. At the time reformers believed that they were already in the last days and that the RC was the whore of Babylon.
 

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The Rapture/Purpose ***some talk about the Church going through the Great Tribulation/Daniel's 70th Week, but the Purpose of the Great Tribulation is for God to deal with Israel and to Judge wickedness ***the purpose of the Rapture I believe is tied to the great purposes of God for our lives----#1 Our Walk With God #2 Our Assignment From God ***Enoch was Raptured and did not see death---he walked with God 365 years, so I believe God is showing us the importance of a Godly life (365 days a year)---He is coming back for a Church without spot or wrinkle---yes, He will accomplish this before the Rapture ***The Purpose of the Rapture of the Church is not escape, but because the Mission of the Church will be accomplished---The Harvest...
 

wolfwint

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The so called rapture is a false doctrine, which can only be documented by twisting scripture. This is one of Satan's MOs.


Remember that religion is one of Satan’s hidden dynasties. He loves to plant false doctrines, which twist Scripture, in Christian churches.


If you believe the rapture, you may find yourself among the following group of deceived Christians when Christ returns.


And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. Revelation 6:16

The above folks are so ashamed because they’ve been worshiping the wrong Christ.


It seems that the rapture people have forgotten how to count. The think the 7th trump comes before 6th ... that the real Christ comes before the false one comes. Christ returns at the 7th trump, not the 6th trump;


At the 6th seal, 6th trump, 6th vial (666), Michael will boot Satan, playing his role as the antichrist (instead of Christ in the Greek), from heaven to earth (Revelation Chapter 12:6-9). Keep in mind that Revelation is a Prophetic book making the word SAW into the futuristic word "will" fall etc.


Christ also gave you all 7 seals & trumps in Mark 13, Luke 21, and Matthew 24. Have you read them with understanding?

So, from where then did the false rapture doctrine come?


Before 1830, you can find no mention of the Rapture Doctrine. That alone ought to send up a red flag. In fact, the word "rapture" is not in the Bible. So, where did this false doctrine come from? In 1830, Margaret MacDonald had an evil revelation on her sick bed, supposedly from God, in which she was shown what would become "The Rapture Of The Church", among other names.


And, from The Incredible Cover-up by Dave Macpherson, Appendix A, you'll read:


"I felt this needed to be revealed, and that there was great darkness and error about it, but suddenly what it was burst upon me with a glorious light." - Margaret MacDonald (Spring of 1830)

MacDonald's revelation would have probably died with her; however, two preachers grabbed it, cleaned it up, and presented it to Christendom. Today, you'll hear many pastors promoting that false doctrine from pulpits. Satan does some of his "best" work from Christian pulpits.

That's why the whole world will whore after him.
Can you tell me where the theorys of the rapture will deceiving christians? Should we believe in beliefsystems ore in Jesus Christ? As in other topics you can find in the bible often points to defend oposite positions. No one likes to suffer and so of course I would prefer pretrib, but this influence not my life as christian. What I see is that suffering as christian is a normal and from the Lord prophecied truth. And we can see it present around the world. Finaly it will come as the Lord says and not as we wish. So it makes no sense to splitt because of eschatolic questions.
 

Chris1975

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88 has this doctrine correct. You have seen much. Be ready. Soon. Very soon.
 
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88 has this doctrine correct. You have seen much. Be ready. Soon. Very soon.
Oh, yeah. Pack a suitcase and buy a bus ticket. Then go sit on your rooftop, waiting.
 

88

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This thread is dedicated to the results of the Rapture*****I respect Pre-Trib----Mid-Trib---Post Trib****I have studied the End Times for 40 years and heard all the views***I personally believe in Pre-Trib because I see it clearly in the Scriptures***I follow ministries which believe in the other views and have no problem with this aspect of theology----it doesn't determine our Salvation***I have studied theology courses in College which were conducted by educated people who teach the Rapture (they studied at such Colleges as Princeton, ect.)***I tried to find the very best teaching on opposing views to the Rapture because I wanted to be sure I could commit to this teaching when being licensed to preach***Every opposing teaching I have found to the Rapture by all sort of ministries could not move me from what I had found in the Scriptures****I will follow up in this thread on some things I believe will happen in the future and what are responsibilities are now to prepare for them...
***The Rapture/The Darkness to Come ***part of the reason the Great Tribulation will occur will be the absence of salt and light after the Rapture***since We are the Light of the World (Christ in us), and we are salt which preserves, then when these two are absent after the Rapture we can expect hell...
 
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That cannot be the beast, because JAY CEE has not come back...said millions on the earth when it happens...
 

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What if they announce a rapture occurred... what if you expected to be taken but was left behind? Would you be Faithful? Or upset believing you are not saved?


Prepare to endure until the end not loving your life that fear comes and you will do anything to save it.

That is where we need to be.. ready to die For Our Faith.
During the OT, one had to follow the Law to PROVE their faith in GOD.........

The Church only has to have faith in Jesus Christ and his Gospel (1 cor 15:1-4).

After the Rapture (removal of the Church thus the restrainer (Holy Spirit)), one will have to again prove that they believe in God. They will do this by DYING.

Martyred Saints (those that believed in GOD (like Pretereist, replacement theology, covenant theology, etc.) yet were left behind. Yes, They finally see they were wrong in their interpretation of God's word. These saints will most likely be killed by the false Profit and the Antichrist during the Gap between the Rapture and Daniel's 70th week.

Tribulations Saints are those that are converted by the Evangelization of the 144,000 and the two witnesses. They also will have to DIE to prove their belief in GOD. These Saints will most likely come about during Daniel's 70th week thus the name of 'tribulation saints'

There is one other way to get to the Millennium (NOT HEAVEN YET) and that is to survive all the mayhem and destruction that will happen after the Rapture takes place, WITHOUT taking the MARK of the BEAST (antichrist). That in itself will be a feat but the Bible tells us all nations will be present.

p.s there has been a lot of speculation about he 144,000. They are sealed from harm while on earth and will be also be raptured into heaven.



 
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