Out of Egypt have I called my son

[Scribe]

Matthew 2:14When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt: 15And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

What do you believe is the meaning of this prophesy as it relates to Jesus.

I was thinking about the Exodus. And how God calls us to come out of the world when we get saved. "Out of Egypt have I called my Son" keeps ringing in my ears.

Then I was thinking about how Jesus cam to lead us out of the world into a promised land of holiness and righteousness that Moses was not able to do. Jesus went before us to make the way and we are to follow Him. "Out of Egypt have I called my son"

What exactly do you think Matthew was thinking when he wrote this?

Here is the full text from Hosea 11

1When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

2As they called them, so they went from them: they sacrificed unto Baalim, and burned incense to graven images.

3I taught Ephraim also to go, taking them by their arms; but they knew not that I healed them.

4I drew them with cords of a man, with bands of love: and I was to them as they that take off the yoke on their jaws, and I laid meat unto them.

5He shall not return into the land of Egypt, but the Assyrian shall be his king, because they refused to return.

6And the sword shall abide on his cities, and shall consume his branches, and devour them, because of their own counsels.

7And my people are bent to backsliding from me: though they called them to the most High, none at all would exalt him.

8How shall I give thee up, Ephraim? how shall I deliver thee, Israel? how shall I make thee as Admah? how shall I set thee as Zeboim? mine heart is turned within me, my repentings are kindled together.

9I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.

10They shall walk after the LORD: he shall roar like a lion: when he shall roar, then the children shall tremble from the west.

11They shall tremble as a bird out of Egypt, and as a dove out of the land of Assyria: and I will place them in their houses, saith the LORD.

12Ephraim compasseth me about with lies, and the house of Israel with deceit: but Judah yet ruleth with God, and is faithful with the saints.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

This is a wonderful post thank you for taking the time to post such a thought provoking post

Egypt was a terribly idolatrous nation , Israel had been there since Joseph invited them to the land of goshen. After that generation died “ Israel’s 70 “ and the pharaoh of those days died then later arose the oppressive ones which basically progressively enslaved them for 400 years even instituting population control by slaughtering the children as they were born based on the sex being a “ son “ of Israel they were to be tossed into the river at birth

Moses was spared during this time in Egypt when the sins were to be killed but he was spared into Egypt for a time into an Egyptian family. Eventually God called him. Easier of events in Egypt and his flight for killing the Egyptian man over a Hebrew which were lower servant class.

God called Moses out of Egypt in the Old Testament , and through Moses called the children of Israel out of Egypt .ancient Egypt was and possibly still is the most idolotrous nation on earth they had many gods , many forms of worship , many immoral Practices involved in those worships , sexual immorality , blood , sacrifice everything Gods law says not to do was common practice in ancient Egypt

I think the correlation you make is what I also take that the Old Testament is a pattern For the new , and Egypt is a pattern for the world were being saved from . Our promised land is a new heaven and earth ect...

As Egypt was wicked so is the world wicked and idolatrous if you measure it against the word of God it’s covered in darkness

“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the gospel is our call to repentance out of the operation of the world and moving into the operation and rule of Christ in the kingdom through the knowledge of God we are called from the worlds kingdom into christs

 

[KingdomBrat]

Matthew 2:14 clearly shows us the Obedient Spirit of Joseph much like his acceptance of Mary when he learned she was pregnant.

Matthew 2:15 does fulfill Hosea 11:1 much like when Jesus was on the Cross and uttered [MY GOD MY GOD WHY HAS THOU FORSAKEN ME] fulfills Psalms 22:1.

It's to fulfill prophecy.

 

[oyster67]

Israel came out of Egypt. Jesus was Jewish. Jesus also came to set us free from bondage (which Egypt is a symbol of). Jesus is our deliverance like Moses was used by God to deliver Israel out of Egypt.

 

[Scribe]

Listen to this song... This is Jesus leading us out of the Egypt of this world to a holy place of habitation with Him.

...I will sing unto the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.

2The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him.

3The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

4Pharaoh's chariots and his host hath he cast into the sea: his chosen captains also are drowned in the Red sea.

5The depths have covered them: they sank into the bottom as a stone.

6Thy right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O LORD, hath dashed in pieces the enemy.

7And in the greatness of thine excellency thou hast overthrown them that rose up against thee: thou sentest forth thy wrath, which consumed them as stubble.

8And with the blast of thy nostrils the waters were gathered together, the floods stood upright as an heap, and the depths were congealed in the heart of the sea.

9The enemy said, I will pursue, I will overtake, I will divide the spoil; my lust shall be satisfied upon them; I will draw my sword, my hand shall destroy them.

10Thou didst blow with thy wind, the sea covered them: they sank as lead in the mighty waters.

11Who is like unto thee, O LORD, among the gods? who is like thee, glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, doing wonders?

12Thou stretchedst out thy right hand, the earth swallowed them.

13Thou in thy mercy hast led forth the people which thou hast redeemed: thou hast guided them in thy strength unto thy holy habitation.

14The people shall hear, and be afraid: sorrow shall take hold on the inhabitants of Palestina.

15Then the dukes of Edom shall be amazed; the mighty men of Moab, trembling shall take hold upon them; all the inhabitants of Canaan shall melt away.

16Fear and dread shall fall upon them; by the greatness of thine arm they shall be as still as a stone; till thy people pass over, O LORD, till the people pass over, which thou hast purchased.

17Thou shalt bring them in, and plant them in the mountain of thine inheritance, in the place, O LORD, which thou hast made for thee to dwell in, in the Sanctuary, O Lord, which thy hands have established.

18The LORD shall reign for ever and ever.

19For the horse of Pharaoh went in with his chariots and with his horsemen into the sea, and the LORD brought again the waters of the sea upon them; but the children of Israel went on dry land in the midst of the sea.

20And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.

21And Miriam answered them, Sing ye to the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously; the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.

 

[Scribe]

Listen to this song... This is Jesus leading us out of the Egypt of this world to a holy place of habitation with Him.

...I will sing unto the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.

2The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him.

3The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

4Pharaoh's chariots and his host hath he cast into the sea: his chosen captains also are drowned in the Red sea.

5The depths have covered them: they sank into the bottom as a stone.

6Thy right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O LORD, hath dashed in pieces the enemy.

7And in the greatness of thine excellency thou hast overthrown them that rose up against thee: thou sentest forth thy wrath, which consumed them as stubble.

8And with the blast of thy nostrils the waters were gathered together, the floods stood upright as an heap, and the depths were congealed in the heart of the sea.

9The enemy said, I will pursue, I will overtake, I will divide the spoil; my lust shall be satisfied upon them; I will draw my sword, my hand shall destroy them.

10Thou didst blow with thy wind, the sea covered them: they sank as lead in the mighty waters.

11Who is like unto thee, O LORD, among the gods? who is like thee, glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, doing wonders?

12Thou stretchedst out thy right hand, the earth swallowed them.

13Thou in thy mercy hast led forth the people which thou hast redeemed: thou hast guided them in thy strength unto thy holy habitation.

14The people shall hear, and be afraid: sorrow shall take hold on the inhabitants of Palestina.

15Then the dukes of Edom shall be amazed; the mighty men of Moab, trembling shall take hold upon them; all the inhabitants of Canaan shall melt away.

16Fear and dread shall fall upon them; by the greatness of thine arm they shall be as still as a stone; till thy people pass over, O LORD, till the people pass over, which thou hast purchased.

17Thou shalt bring them in, and plant them in the mountain of thine inheritance, in the place, O LORD, which thou hast made for thee to dwell in, in the Sanctuary, O Lord, which thy hands have established.

18The LORD shall reign for ever and ever.

19For the horse of Pharaoh went in with his chariots and with his horsemen into the sea, and the LORD brought again the waters of the sea upon them; but the children of Israel went on dry land in the midst of the sea.

20And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.

21And Miriam answered them, Sing ye to the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously; the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.

17Thou shalt bring them in, and plant them in the mountain of thine inheritance, in the place, O LORD, which thou hast made for thee to dwell in, in the Sanctuary, O Lord, which thy hands have established.
Beyond the land of Palestine. To that Heavenly Sanctuary, that New Earth, in the New Jerusalem.

 

[Truth7t7]

17Thou shalt bring them in, and plant them in the mountain of thine inheritance, in the place, O LORD, which thou hast made for thee to dwell in, in the Sanctuary, O Lord, which thy hands have established.
Beyond the land of Palestine. To that Heavenly Sanctuary, that New Earth, in the New Jerusalem.

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John 3:16-17KJV
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Matthew 2:14When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt: 15And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

What do you believe is the meaning of this prophesy as it relates to Jesus.

I was thinking about the Exodus. And how God calls us to come out of the world when we get saved. "Out of Egypt have I called my Son" keeps ringing in my ears.

Then I was thinking about how Jesus cam to lead us out of the world into a promised land of holiness and righteousness that Moses was not able to do. Jesus went before us to make the way and we are to follow Him. "Out of Egypt have I called my son"

What exactly do you think Matthew was thinking when he wrote this?

Here is the full text from Hosea 11

1When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

2As they called them, so they went from them: they sacrificed unto Baalim, and burned incense to graven images.

3I taught Ephraim also to go, taking them by their arms; but they knew not that I healed them.

4I drew them with cords of a man, with bands of love: and I was to them as they that take off the yoke on their jaws, and I laid meat unto them.

5He shall not return into the land of Egypt, but the Assyrian shall be his king, because they refused to return.

6And the sword shall abide on his cities, and shall consume his branches, and devour them, because of their own counsels.

7And my people are bent to backsliding from me: though they called them to the most High, none at all would exalt him.

8How shall I give thee up, Ephraim? how shall I deliver thee, Israel? how shall I make thee as Admah? how shall I set thee as Zeboim? mine heart is turned within me, my repentings are kindled together.

9I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.

10They shall walk after the LORD: he shall roar like a lion: when he shall roar, then the children shall tremble from the west.

11They shall tremble as a bird out of Egypt, and as a dove out of the land of Assyria: and I will place them in their houses, saith the LORD.

12Ephraim compasseth me about with lies, and the house of Israel with deceit: but Judah yet ruleth with God, and is faithful with the saints.

The ultimate final fulfilment, the second Exodus. The return of Jesus.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

It's not really that complicated. Jesus was taken to Egypt until Herod died then God called him back from egypt after Herod was dead. No need to over analyze.

 

[John146]

Matthew 2:14When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt: 15And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

What do you believe is the meaning of this prophesy as it relates to Jesus.

I was thinking about the Exodus. And how God calls us to come out of the world when we get saved. "Out of Egypt have I called my Son" keeps ringing in my ears.

Then I was thinking about how Jesus cam to lead us out of the world into a promised land of holiness and righteousness that Moses was not able to do. Jesus went before us to make the way and we are to follow Him. "Out of Egypt have I called my son"

What exactly do you think Matthew was thinking when he wrote this?

Here is the full text from Hosea 11

1When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

2As they called them, so they went from them: they sacrificed unto Baalim, and burned incense to graven images.

3I taught Ephraim also to go, taking them by their arms; but they knew not that I healed them.

4I drew them with cords of a man, with bands of love: and I was to them as they that take off the yoke on their jaws, and I laid meat unto them.

5He shall not return into the land of Egypt, but the Assyrian shall be his king, because they refused to return.

6And the sword shall abide on his cities, and shall consume his branches, and devour them, because of their own counsels.

7And my people are bent to backsliding from me: though they called them to the most High, none at all would exalt him.

8How shall I give thee up, Ephraim? how shall I deliver thee, Israel? how shall I make thee as Admah? how shall I set thee as Zeboim? mine heart is turned within me, my repentings are kindled together.

9I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.

10They shall walk after the LORD: he shall roar like a lion: when he shall roar, then the children shall tremble from the west.

11They shall tremble as a bird out of Egypt, and as a dove out of the land of Assyria: and I will place them in their houses, saith the LORD.

12Ephraim compasseth me about with lies, and the house of Israel with deceit: but Judah yet ruleth with God, and is faithful with the saints.

It means stay away from any translation from the Alexandrian texts.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

It means stay away from any translation from the Alexandrian texts.

Nonsense

 

[John146]

Nonsense

Well, if Egypt is a picture of the corrupt world then...

 

[notuptome]

The prophecy is referring to Jesus fleeing into Egypt to escape Herod slaughtering the innocent upon his birth after Herod was alerted by the wise men. After the death of Herod Jesus and His parents returned to Israel.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Well, if Egypt is a picture of the corrupt world then...

Then it would be a perfect place for God to move.
And he did.

 

[Scribe]

It's not really that complicated. Jesus was taken to Egypt until Herod died then God called him back from egypt after Herod was dead. No need to over analyze.

Matthew quotes Hosea. If you read where it is said in Hosea you see nothing related to Herod. It would seem that Matthew is suggesting that God orchestrated things so that the this going down into Egypt and coming back out "motif" in the Old Testament is repeated in the Son of God as some kind of sign. What is the theology behind this sign is probably what Matthew had in mind.

Consider Abraham, going down to Egypt, then Pharaoh sending him out (with wealth) almost like a mini exodus. Then we have the Exodus and the message is more about the Greatness of God and being in control of everything including having Pharaoh come after them to be drowned in the sea. But they came out of Egypt so that God might show himself mighty and bring them into the land he had for them.

Then to say "out of Egypt have I called my son" quoting Hosea it would require a very dull spirit indeed not to "analyze" why it is being said. It does not fit the event.

The prophecy in Hosea speaks of bigger theological ideas and why point to it if one is not supposed to analyze it? Matthew had bigger theological picture in mind to apply that prophesy. If we don't try and understand it then we are left with no understanding at all. We skip over it and move on. Which is what most of us have always done with this passage. They don't preach on it when there is actually very much to preach on.

This is why some don't understand why Matthew quoted it for this event. They accuse Matthew of applying the prophesy to an event that does not seem to be related to what Hosea was saying. And the reason they think that is they miss the theological big picture but Matthew didn't.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Matthew quotes Hosea. If you read where it is said in Hosea you see nothing related to Herod. It would seem that Matthew is suggesting that God orchestrated things so that the this going down into Egypt and coming back out "motif" in the Old Testament is repeated in the Son of God as some kind of sign. What is the theology behind this sign is probably what Matthew had in mind.

Consider Abraham, going down to Egypt, then Pharaoh sending him out (with wealth) almost like a mini exodus. Then we have the Exodus and the message is more about the Greatness of God and being in control of everything including having Pharaoh come after them to be drowned in the sea. But they came out of Egypt so that God might show himself mighty and bring them into the land he had for them.

Then to say "out of Egypt have I called my son" quoting Hosea it would require a very dull spirit indeed not to "analyze" why it is being said. It does not fit the event.

The prophecy in Hosea speaks of bigger theological ideas and why point to it if one is not supposed to analyze it? Matthew had bigger theological picture in mind to apply that prophesy. If we don't try and understand it then we are left with no understanding at all. We skip over it and move on. Which is what most of us have always done with this passage. They don't preach on it when there is actually very much to preach on.

This is why some don't understand why Matthew quoted it for this event. They accuse Matthew of applying the prophesy to an event that does not seem to be related to what Hosea was saying. And the reason they think that is they miss the theological big picture but Matthew didn't.

Hosea 2

14 ‘Therefore I am now going to allure her;
I will lead her into the wilderness
and speak tenderly to her.
15 There I will give her back her vineyards,
and will make the Valley of Achor a door of hope.
There she will respond as in the days of her youth,
as in the day she came up out of Egypt.
16 ‘In that day,’ declares the Lord,
‘you will call me “my husband”;
you will no longer call me “my master”.

 

[John146]

Then it would be a perfect place for God to move.
And he did.

My bet is on Antioch...

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

Matthew quotes Hosea. If you read where it is said in Hosea you see nothing related to Herod. It would seem that Matthew is suggesting that God orchestrated things so that the this going down into Egypt and coming back out "motif" in the Old Testament is repeated in the Son of God as some kind of sign. What is the theology behind this sign is probably what Matthew had in mind.

Consider Abraham, going down to Egypt, then Pharaoh sending him out (with wealth) almost like a mini exodus. Then we have the Exodus and the message is more about the Greatness of God and being in control of everything including having Pharaoh come after them to be drowned in the sea. But they came out of Egypt so that God might show himself mighty and bring them into the land he had for them.

Then to say "out of Egypt have I called my son" quoting Hosea it would require a very dull spirit indeed not to "analyze" why it is being said. It does not fit the event.

The prophecy in Hosea speaks of bigger theological ideas and why point to it if one is not supposed to analyze it? Matthew had bigger theological picture in mind to apply that prophesy. If we don't try and understand it then we are left with no understanding at all. We skip over it and move on. Which is what most of us have always done with this passage. They don't preach on it when there is actually very much to preach on.

This is why some don't understand why Matthew quoted it for this event. They accuse Matthew of applying the prophesy to an event that does not seem to be related to what Hosea was saying. And the reason they think that is they miss the theological big picture but Matthew didn't.

It is true that the Israelites coming out of egypt is a significant sign of Jesus and his works. From exiting slavery and passing through the sea and onward. And I do agree that Jesus going into egypt and then coming back out of egypt is also a strong indicator that he is the one prophecied of; The Messiah. And that it does reflect one more thing that will yet come (as per the time line of the story) His life, death, and resurrection. Which also is our salvation.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

Well, if Egypt is a picture of the corrupt world then...

Misapplied context. Augustine and Athenaisius are from Egypt, and a Christian Church grew out of Egypt.
Can you set here and say that the salvation of Jesus to all men excludes Alexandria or Egypt the geographical region? And that there can be no Christians in Egypt?
What do you think Jesus meant when he said to Peter,... "And the gates of hell will not prevail against it" when speaking of building his church?

 

[John146]

Misapplied context. Augustine and Athenaisius are from Egypt, and a Christian Church grew out of Egypt.
Can you set here and say that the salvation of Jesus to all men excludes Alexandria or Egypt the geographical region? And that there can be no Christians in Egypt?
What do you think Jesus meant when he said to Peter,... "And the gates of hell will not prevail against it" when speaking of building his church?

Easy there...don't take my remarks to the extreme.