Paper Money and Fiat Currency is the Mark of the Beast

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No, it is torahlessness. You are steadfast in your torahlessness and it will cost you your soul one day, and perhaps you will remember me.
It is not torahlessness.

It is keeping the law of Christ, which is not lawlessness.

Galatians 6: 2. Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
 
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Exactly!

And that's the key.
That may be your key, but that is not the truth. The Messiah will rule the earth by the words of the Torah, again implying the Torah is done away with. Only in your imagination is it done away. It's actually quite sad.
 
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It is not torahlessness.

It is keeping the law of Christ, which is not lawlessness.

Galatians 6: 2. Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
The Torah of the Messiah is founded on the Torah of the Moses, hence "whoever sets aside the least of these commands will be called least in the kingdom of the heavens", because the Torah of Moses will be the law that the Messiah will rule the earth by.
 
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Do you not understand that the 4th and last beast of Daniel is Roman, implying that the beast of revelation must be Roman? Wake up people.
People should stop putting things in the first century when it is not there.

The Roman Empire has the dominion right now, and all Caucasian nations, and nations taken over by Caucasians will come together as one, and will pull all nations together as they try to establish peace on earth.

The Caucasian nations, and those taken over by Caucasians will be the power base of the beast, which arms shall stand on his part, which they have the most nuclear weapons, and advanced weaponry.

Dan 7:1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters.
Dan 7:2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
Dan 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

Daniel had a vision of 4 kingdoms that came one after the other, and they were different from each other, which are the 4 ways of man, which all 4 kingdoms went by all 4 ways but 1 of those ways was their chief mode of operation where the other 3 was a minor mode of operation.

Dan 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

The first was Babylon, which represents human religion, the occult, which she rode on eagle's wings because when king Nebuchadnezzar ruled he acknowledged the God of Israel as the greatest of all the gods, and proclaimed that throughout his kingdom, and if anybody said anything against the God of Israel they were cut in pieces, and their house made a dunghill.

The king's son took the throne and took the vessels out of the temple of the LORD praising false gods, and the kingdom was stripped from them and given to the Medes and Persians, and Babylon then became known as the kingdom of man.

Dan 7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

The second beast is Medo-Persia, which represents physical cruelty, which raised up itself on one side, which the Persian influence was stronger in that union, and had 3 ribs in the mouth of it which might mean 3 nations, possibly Libya, Egypt, and Babylon.

Dan 7:6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

The third beast is Greece, which represents human wisdom, and had upon the back of it 4 wings of a fowl which might mean dominion, or it means that they flew above the common man in higher mathematics, higher science, philosophy, and medicine, and had 4 heads which when Alexander the Great died his empire was split in to 4 sections and a general ruled each section.

Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

The fourth beast is the Roman Empire, which represents pushing for power, gaining territory, world domination, and it was different from all the other beasts in that it was more determined to gain power, and territory, and it has ten horns which is in the future, which is the world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section.

Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

The little horn is the man of sin, the antichrist, the New Age Christ, which 3 horns were plucked up by the roots which is 3 sections of the world that covers the Arab nations, which the religion of Islam fights against the world and are devastated with nuclear weapons, and the man of sin has the eyes of man which he will say it is all about people, and there is no personal God, which he will exalt himself above all that is called God, or is worshipped convincing the people that do not love God that he harnessed the power of nature, and achieved power.

Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

The first 3 beasts will never have physical dominion again, but their lives were prolonged for a season and time, which means their ways are still on earth, which they show up at the beast kingdom.

The beast kingdom is the kingdom of man in it's entirety where past kingdoms were not, for they ruled with a chief mode of operation and the other modes were a minor mode.

But the beast kingdom is all 4 kingdoms chief mode of operation with no minor mode of operation, for she has 10 horns the physical dominion of the Roman Empire, with the ways of a lion, Babylon their chief mode of operation human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man, and the ways of a leopard, Greece their chief mode of operation human wisdom, and the ways of a bear, Medo-Persia their chief mode of operation human cruelty.

The kingdom of man in it's entirety.

Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

The fourth beast the Roman Empire shall devour the whole earth, tread it down, and break it in pieces, and there is no way that the Roman Empire in the first century devoured the whole earth so this is future when the nations come together and say Peace and safety as they try to establish peace on earth.

Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Out of the Roman Empire shall come 10 kings, or horns, which is the world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section, which is how they will devour the whole earth for the plan was of the Caucasians that brought them together, and even though all nations are together the Roman Empire has the dominion, and the antichrist shall rise after them, which the man of sin will come from the fourth beast the Roman Empire, and the prince to come the man of sin shall come from the people that overthrew Jerusalem which is the Roman Empire, and he shall subdue 3 kings which is the 3 sections that cover the Arab nations.

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

This is the great tribulation in the future for three and one half years.

Dan 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

The Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts down the world.

The beast kingdom in Revelation 13 is in the future for the Roman Empire has the dominion until Jesus puts down the world which He has not done yet, and has the spirit of Babylon for Babylon has not fallen yet for her ways are still on earth, which she represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man, which is what the beast kingdom is about.

Which God warns the saints of the new age movement that shall occur in the latter times which is now close to Jesus coming back that has a false interpretation of the Bible based on the occult, and evolution, and believe people can still evolve to be greater and spiritual provided by the New Age Christ in the future.

The new age movement will pave the way to the beast kingdom for all people who do not love God.

People should stop placing things in the first century when they do not belong there.

And the mark of the beast is not money or gold, but something stuck under the skin, which is a microchip linked to satellite like a GPS tracking system for humans, and to have all information about the person including finances on the chip for no person can but or sell without the mark, and they will be cashless.
 
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People should stop putting things in the first century when it is not there.

The Roman Empire has the dominion right now, and all Caucasian nations, and nations taken over by Caucasians will come together as one, and will pull all nations together as they try to establish peace on earth.

The Caucasian nations, and those taken over by Caucasians will be the power base of the beast, which arms shall stand on his part, which they have the most nuclear weapons, and advanced weaponry.

Dan 7:1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters.
Dan 7:2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
Dan 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

Daniel had a vision of 4 kingdoms that came one after the other, and they were different from each other, which are the 4 ways of man, which all 4 kingdoms went by all 4 ways but 1 of those ways was their chief mode of operation where the other 3 was a minor mode of operation.

Dan 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

The first was Babylon, which represents human religion, the occult, which she rode on eagle's wings because when king Nebuchadnezzar ruled he acknowledged the God of Israel as the greatest of all the gods, and proclaimed that throughout his kingdom, and if anybody said anything against the God of Israel they were cut in pieces, and their house made a dunghill.

The king's son took the throne and took the vessels out of the temple of the LORD praising false gods, and the kingdom was stripped from them and given to the Medes and Persians, and Babylon then became known as the kingdom of man.

Dan 7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

The second beast is Medo-Persia, which represents physical cruelty, which raised up itself on one side, which the Persian influence was stronger in that union, and had 3 ribs in the mouth of it which might mean 3 nations, possibly Libya, Egypt, and Babylon.

Dan 7:6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

The third beast is Greece, which represents human wisdom, and had upon the back of it 4 wings of a fowl which might mean dominion, or it means that they flew above the common man in higher mathematics, higher science, philosophy, and medicine, and had 4 heads which when Alexander the Great died his empire was split in to 4 sections and a general ruled each section.

Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

The fourth beast is the Roman Empire, which represents pushing for power, gaining territory, world domination, and it was different from all the other beasts in that it was more determined to gain power, and territory, and it has ten horns which is in the future, which is the world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section.

Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

The little horn is the man of sin, the antichrist, the New Age Christ, which 3 horns were plucked up by the roots which is 3 sections of the world that covers the Arab nations, which the religion of Islam fights against the world and are devastated with nuclear weapons, and the man of sin has the eyes of man which he will say it is all about people, and there is no personal God, which he will exalt himself above all that is called God, or is worshipped convincing the people that do not love God that he harnessed the power of nature, and achieved power.

Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

The first 3 beasts will never have physical dominion again, but their lives were prolonged for a season and time, which means their ways are still on earth, which they show up at the beast kingdom.

The beast kingdom is the kingdom of man in it's entirety where past kingdoms were not, for they ruled with a chief mode of operation and the other modes were a minor mode.

But the beast kingdom is all 4 kingdoms chief mode of operation with no minor mode of operation, for she has 10 horns the physical dominion of the Roman Empire, with the ways of a lion, Babylon their chief mode of operation human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man, and the ways of a leopard, Greece their chief mode of operation human wisdom, and the ways of a bear, Medo-Persia their chief mode of operation human cruelty.

The kingdom of man in it's entirety.

Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

The fourth beast the Roman Empire shall devour the whole earth, tread it down, and break it in pieces, and there is no way that the Roman Empire in the first century devoured the whole earth so this is future when the nations come together and say Peace and safety as they try to establish peace on earth.

Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Out of the Roman Empire shall come 10 kings, or horns, which is the world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section, which is how they will devour the whole earth for the plan was of the Caucasians that brought them together, and even though all nations are together the Roman Empire has the dominion, and the antichrist shall rise after them, which the man of sin will come from the fourth beast the Roman Empire, and the prince to come the man of sin shall come from the people that overthrew Jerusalem which is the Roman Empire, and he shall subdue 3 kings which is the 3 sections that cover the Arab nations.

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

This is the great tribulation in the future for three and one half years.

Dan 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

The Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts down the world.

The beast kingdom in Revelation 13 is in the future for the Roman Empire has the dominion until Jesus puts down the world which He has not done yet, and has the spirit of Babylon for Babylon has not fallen yet for her ways are still on earth, which she represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man, which is what the beast kingdom is about.

Which God warns the saints of the new age movement that shall occur in the latter times which is now close to Jesus coming back that has a false interpretation of the Bible based on the occult, and evolution, and believe people can still evolve to be greater and spiritual provided by the New Age Christ in the future.

The new age movement will pave the way to the beast kingdom for all people who do not love God.

People should stop placing things in the first century when they do not belong there.

And the mark of the beast is not money or gold, but something stuck under the skin, which is a microchip linked to satellite like a GPS tracking system for humans, and to have all information about the person including finances on the chip for no person can but or sell without the mark, and they will be cashless.
The Caucasian nations? HAHA. What bubble do you live in? That made me laugh too hard. I won't bother reading the rest of your spiel.
 

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That may be your key, but that is not the truth. The Messiah will rule the earth by the words of the Torah, again implying the Torah is done away with. Only in your imagination is it done away. It's actually quite sad.
It is the truth.

The Christ will rule the world by the words of a fulfilled law of Moses.

I'm going to be heading to bed soon, great talking with you!
 

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The Torah of the Messiah is founded on the Torah of the Moses, hence "whoever sets aside the least of these commands will be called least in the kingdom of the heavens", because the Torah of Moses will be the law that the Messiah will rule the earth by.
You are correct about the law of Christ is founded on the law of Moses.

The entire law of Moses is fulfilled in a single phrase, love your neighbor as yourself. Which fits perfectly with the law of Christ, bear one another's burdens.

Hope to see you in the morning!
 
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It is the truth.

The Christ will rule the world by the words of a fulfilled law of Moses.

I'm going to be heading to bed soon, great talking with you!
Huh? Maybe if you recite these words loud enough with your own lips "the Christ will rule the world by the words of a fulfilled law of Moses" you just might realize the absurdity of your own words. But I doubt it, just like flat earthers don't realize the absurdity of their own nonsense.
 
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You are correct about the law of Christ is founded on the law of Moses.

The entire law of Moses is fulfilled in a single phrase, love your neighbor as yourself. Which fits perfectly with the law of Christ, bear one another's burdens.

Hope to see you in the morning!
Loving your neighbor as yourself doesn't exclude the other commands of the Torah, it includes them. Meaning if you do not charge your brother interest, which is a command of the Torah, that is abiding by love towards your brother. Meaning if you forgive the debt of your brother, which is another command of the Torah, that is abiding by love towards your brother. The other commands of the Torah define how to love your neighbor specifically.
 
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Loving your neighbor as yourself doesn't exclude the other commands of the Torah, it includes them. Meaning if you do not charge your brother interest, which is a command of the Torah, that is abiding by love towards your brother. Meaning if you forgive the debt of your brother, which is another command of the Torah, that is abiding by love towards your brother. The other commands of the Torah define how to love your neighbor specifically.
Not trying to be negative here, but what about idol worshipping should they be stoned to death?
 

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These are matters that are too complex to discuss in just a few words. I do have an explanation of what the image of the beast is. Refer to my bible study http://www.wisdomofgod.us/2018/12/0...the-mark-of-the-beast-and-the-meaning-of-666/
Yeah no this is off.

Where are the false signs and wonders that the USA produced?
Another word for false signs and wonders is miracles. Where are the miracles? No, the USA does not fit.
This dubious explanation is equating some of the amazing things the USA has done like build dams and bombs to performing miracles. Erroneous!

And then because the USA is a republic this equates it to the Roman Republic???
But on this arguement alone its wrong, as it was the Roman Empire that created the Roman Catholic church so no this does not fit either.

The current antichrist is Pope Francis. OK, BINGO!!!! I agree with this.

But here is what makes sense:
If the 1st beast of revelation is the Roman Empire (correct)
and the Pope is the antichrist (correct)
Then the 2nd beast of revelation is the Roman Catholic Church (BINGO!!!).

The 1st and 2nd Beasts of Rev. have been completely fulfilled. The 2nd Beast is ~ middle ages Catholic Church.
The Prostitute of Babylon is modern day and future day Catholic Church. Prostitute of Babylon also includes many of the other false chrisitian denominations that also wear purple and scarlet and gold, and condone adulterous behaviors like gay marriage, or polygamy.... Prostitute of Babylon is at the beginnings of being fulfilled though. Most of Prostitute of Babylon has not yet been fulfilled yet. This is why we can't understand it.
 
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I don’t think I could take part in such a thing, you would probably have to stone me along with them.
 
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Even Israel doesn’t seem to have the courage to do such a thing, they allow a bunch of people not far from them to dance around a piece of rock.
 

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Huh? Maybe if you recite these words loud enough with your own lips "the Christ will rule the world by the words of a fulfilled law of Moses" you just might realize the absurdity of your own words. But I doubt it, just like flat earthers don't realize the absurdity of their own nonsense.
There is no absurdity to be realized.

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From what you have said, it sounds like you believe that inflation is theft.

Who then is doing the stealing?
Where is the stolen money ending up?
 

Dan_473

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Loving your neighbor as yourself doesn't exclude the other commands of the Torah, it includes them. Meaning if you do not charge your brother interest, which is a command of the Torah, that is abiding by love towards your brother. Meaning if you forgive the debt of your brother, which is another command of the Torah, that is abiding by love towards your brother. The other commands of the Torah define how to love your neighbor specifically.
No, loving your neighbor fulfills the law of Moses.

Sometimes people try to present it this way: loving one's neighbor is the thing to keep in mind while you are physically completing the commandments in the law. No. Loving one's neighbor is the fulfillment of the law.
 

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I don’t think I could take part in such a thing, you would probably have to stone me along with them.
Somehow stoning just doesn't seem to fit with the fruit of the spirit, does it?
 

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There is no absurdity to be realized.

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From what you have said, it sounds like you believe that inflation is theft.

Who then is doing the stealing?
Where is the stolen money ending up?
Inflation simply makes the paper money in a person's hand lose its purchasing power. So while your labor originally earned you a full day's meal, it now only entitles you to half a day's meal due to inflation. Half a day's meal is stolen from you because of inflation, so yes it is theft.
 
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