Part 2 Garden of Eden

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BestBeWishing

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part two
As you read Cain is nowhere to be found in the seed line of Adam. Satan is Cain's father and through Cain and his offspring Satan has children on earth this very day.
I hope that you found this thread helpful and that it gives you a better understanding of what really did happen in the garden of Eden. The fact the Adam is not Cain's father but that Satan is his father. That is information that we need to know in order to better understand the word of God. The fact that Satan has children on this earth today is one reason why there is so much evil going on in this world. We also have the beginning of the mark of the beast with Cain being marked by God. To learn more about this mark and the beast, take a look at #3 thread on the mark of the beast.
Hope this HelpsYa'll
"In His Service"
 
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umm, i'm not sure where you're getting all of this. a lot of this is jumping to conclusions. for instance, saying that eating from a tree is the same as sleeping with satan is quite a stretch.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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BestBeWishing said:
part two
As you read Cain is nowhere to be found in the seed line of Adam. Satan is Cain's father and through Cain and his offspring Satan has children on earth this very day.
I hope that you found this thread helpful and that it gives you a better understanding of what really did happen in the garden of Eden. The fact the Adam is not Cain's father but that Satan is his father. That is information that we need to know in order to better understand the word of God. The fact that Satan has children on this earth today is one reason why there is so much evil going on in this world. We also have the beginning of the mark of the beast with Cain being marked by God. To learn more about this mark and the beast, take a look at #3 thread on the mark of the beast.
Hope this HelpsYa'll
"In His Service"
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"Now the man (literally: Adam) had relations with his wife Eve, and she concieved and gave birth to Cain." Genesis 4:1
You accuse many of not bothering to read all of Revelation. It appears that you have not read Genesis.
 
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charisenexcelcis said:
"Now the man (literally: Adam) had relations with his wife Eve, and she concieved and gave birth to Cain." Genesis 4:1
You accuse many of not bothering to read all of Revelation. It appears that you have not read Genesis.
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actually, that brings up an interesting point, where did you come up with the whole "adam is not the father" theory?
 
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BestBeWishing

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actually, that brings up an interesting point, where did you come up with the whole "adam is not the father" theory?
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Beloved,
The Descendants of Adam
1 Chronicles 1:1 Adam, Sheth, Enosh, 2 Kenan, Mahalaleel, Jered, 3 Henoch, Methuselah, Lamech, 4 Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
　
The Descendants of Adam
Genesis 5:1
5This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. 3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: 4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: 5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

"In His Service"
 
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charisenexcelcis

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BestBeWishing said:
Beloved,
The Descendants of Adam
1 Chronicles 1:1 Adam, Sheth, Enosh, 2 Kenan, Mahalaleel, Jered, 3 Henoch, Methuselah, Lamech, 4 Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
　
The Descendants of Adam
Genesis 5:1
5This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. 3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: 4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: 5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

"In His Service"
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Do you believe that Seth was the only offspring of Adam? How do you explain the clear statement of scripture that Cain was conceived when Adam had relations with Eve?
 
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greatkraw

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BestBeWishing said:
part two
As you read Cain is nowhere to be found in the seed line of Adam. Satan is Cain's father and through Cain and his offspring Satan has children on earth this very day.
I hope that you found this thread helpful and that it gives you a better understanding of what really did happen in the garden of Eden. The fact the Adam is not Cain's father but that Satan is his father. That is information that we need to know in order to better understand the word of God. The fact that Satan has children on this earth today is one reason why there is so much evil going on in this world. We also have the beginning of the mark of the beast with Cain being marked by God. To learn more about this mark and the beast, take a look at #3 thread on the mark of the beast.
Hope this HelpsYa'll
"In His Service"
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I dont mind you being wrong dude but i have seen all this before with CupOfRuin and it leads into ****able heresies
 
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Israel

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I do not believe that Adam was the father of Cain. I believe his father was another man from the natural mankind created on the sixth day. Adam named the beasts formed in the garden so the serpent cannot be Satan in Genesis. Satan may be the spiritual father, but the physical father was a man named the serpent by prophecy of Adam.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Israel said:
I do not believe that Adam was the father of Cain. I believe his father was another man from the natural mankind created on the sixth day. Adam named the beasts formed in the garden so the serpent cannot be Satan in Genesis. Satan may be the spiritual father, but the physical father was a man named the serpent by prophecy of Adam.
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Scripture clearly states that Adam had relations with Eve and Eve conceived Cain.
 
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Israel

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charisenexcelcis said:
Scripture clearly states that Adam had relations with Eve and Eve conceived Cain.
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Scripture also clearly states that Eve was the mother of all living. Why not simply say that Adam was the father of all living?

For what Adam did, God cursed the ground for. Why?

Jeremiah 3:1

1They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD.


Exodus 34:19-20

All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male.
20But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.

Whoever opens up the matrix is God's. However, Cain was of his father the devil. was it not Cain that opened the matrix of Eve? Adam was a son of God. Eve taken out of Adam, came from the same spirit as they were pure! Eve fornicated and out of that, Cain was the result.

John 8:38-44

I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

39They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

They knew full well, what happened in the garden, and though physically, they were not born of fornication, spiritually they were. Here's another verse to mull over.

1 Timothy 2:13-15

For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Why is the woman saved in childbearing?

Deuteronomy 25:5-6

If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.
6And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel.

Even if Adam was the biological father of Cain, by law, satan is his father because of spiritual fornication and the serpent (man) by the law of the flesh when he became one flesh with eve through physical fornication.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Israel said:
Scripture also clearly states that Eve was the mother of all living. Why not simply say that Adam was the father of all living?
He did. He named man after him. Adam means man.

For what Adam did, God cursed the ground for. Why?
This has nothing to do with the fact that the Bible clearly states that Cain was conceived as a result of Adam having relations with Eve.

Jeremiah 3:1

1They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD.


Exodus 34:19-20

All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male.
20But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.

Whoever opens up the matrix is God's. However, Cain was of his father the devil. was it not Cain that opened the matrix of Eve? Adam was a son of God. Eve taken out of Adam, came from the same spirit as they were pure! Eve fornicated and out of that, Cain was the result.
Adam and Eve had fallen, so they were already impure.

John 8:38-44

I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

39They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

They knew full well, what happened in the garden, and though physically, they were not born of fornication, spiritually they were. Here's another verse to mull over.
You are eisegeting into this....

1 Timothy 2:13-15

For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Why is the woman saved in childbearing?
Prophetically, it was looking back to the birth of Jesus. Practically, it was promising that God would be with women during childbirth.

Deuteronomy 25:5-6

If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.
6And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel.

Even if Adam was the biological father of Cain, by law, satan is his father because of spiritual fornication and the serpent (man) by the law of the flesh when he became one flesh with eve through physical fornication.
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The last is a bit too convoluted. That Cain was spiritually a child of Satan, I would not disagree. Anything beyond that, I stand by scripture.
 
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Israel

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The last is a bit too convoluted. That Cain was spiritually a child of Satan, I would not disagree. Anything beyond that, I stand by scripture.
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Why doesn't this apply to you in other areas? On day six, man was allowed to eat of every tree. Why then try to fit what happened in chapter 2 where Adam was not allowed to eat from every tree into chapter 1?
 
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miktre

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Gen 4:1
 1And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

There are many omissions and translation errors throughout the Bible. I see many of you acting a bit childish on here and as if this is a new theory or something. These items have been on the table and discussed for thousands of years.
The Dead Sea Scrolls confirm that Genesis 4:1 was tampered with. In fact the passage should read:
And Adam knew his wife Eve, who was pregnant by Sammael (Satan), and she conceived and bare Cain, and he was like the heavenly beings, and not like the earthly beings, and she said, I have gotten a man from the angel of the Lord.​
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Israel said:
Why doesn't this apply to you in other areas? On day six, man was allowed to eat of every tree. Why then try to fit what happened in chapter 2 where Adam was not allowed to eat from every tree into chapter 1?
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Well, I'm not neccesarily against the idea that the two are separate. What lends credance to one creation of man is the language of Genesis 2:4. "At the time that the Lord God made heaven and earth..."
 
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this all has to do with the Serpent Seed Doctrine... a doctrine that has no biblical support, or early church evidence to support it
 
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miktre

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Many are under the impression that the early church knew nothing concerning
the doctrine of Two Seedline, and that it is not a Biblical doctrine. Nothing could be
further from the truth! The Celtic Church of Britain (a church not dominated by Rome)
was well aware of the doctrine of Two Seedline! And the Celtic Church was the second
assembly after Jerusalem.
I get this testimony from the book The Celtic Church In Britain by Leslie
Hardinge, in a chapter entitled “ The Role of the Scriptures ”, page 48. Though Hardinge
does not trace the Celtic Church back to the Church set up at Glastonbury by Joseph of
Arimathea about five years after the Passion, he does, however, quite well after 400
A.D., and proficiently documents his material. In this chapter he demonstrates the
various methods of teaching used by the Celtic clergy. One must remember that the
common people didn’t have Bibles in those days, and a good many couldn’t have read
a Bible had they had one, so the clergy of that day had to use innovative methods of
teaching what the Word said. One of those methods was a question and answer liturgy,
of which the following is an authentic specimen (answers in parentheses):
“ Who died but was never born? (Adam).
Who gave but did not receive? (Eve, milk).
Who was born but did not die? (Elias and Enoch)
Who was born twice and died once? (Jonas the prophet, who for three days and
three nights prayed in the belly of the whale. He neither saw the heavens nor
touched the earth).
How many languages are there? (Seventy-two).
Who spoke with a dog? (St. Peter).
Who spoke with an ass? (Balaam the prophet).
Who was the first woman to commit adultery? (Eve with the serpent).
How were the Apostles baptized? (The Saviour washed their feet).”
(Hardinge cites from R. E. McNally, The Bible in the Early Middle Ages, 38-9, a
translation of Ms. 908, “ The Ioca monachorum ”, an eighth-century Celtic text.)
It is important to point out that this evidence presented by Leslie Hardinge is not
mere hearsay, but an historical fact that this type of catechism was used by the
ministers of the early Celtic Church, and the aforesaid is an excerpt of some of the
exact words used.
 
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After all can WE Not see the seed-line of Cain, Amongst US ALL; Doing the WORKS of their father,The DEVIL!

Love to ALL in CHRIST!!!
 
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Glowing said:
After all can WE Not see the seed-line of Cain, Amongst US ALL; Doing the WORKS of their father,The DEVIL!

Love to ALL in CHRIST!!!
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It is not a physical seedline. It is not even a spiritual seedline. Rather it was and is a transference from God's kingdom to the devil's kingdom, such as it is.

In Jesus, we have been transferred from the kingdom of darkness, into the kingdom of His dear Son.

Jesus did tell those who were coming against Him, calling into question His deity, the children of the devil. Why? Because they were doing the devil's work.
 
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I should add that when we receive the love of the truth, when we receive the Spirit and hear His voice and are born of the Spirit, that then we are the born children of God, and heirs of God, joint heirs with Jesus. Until then, we are Adam's children, and as Paul explained, through Adam, we have death as our legacy.
 
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Israel said:
I do not believe that Adam was the father of Cain. I believe his father was another man from the natural mankind created on the sixth day. Adam named the beasts formed in the garden so the serpent cannot be Satan in Genesis. Satan may be the spiritual father, but the physical father was a man named the serpent by prophecy of Adam.
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Hi, I have not read this whole thread nor the first thread but I want to read all the passage given. But here I would like to quote 1John 3:12 NIV "Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one."
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edwin
 
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