You are not discerning anything, you are exposing or seeking to expose the sin of another to discredit them personally, their ministry that God gave to them and those who have been called and responded to the message that he preaches.
responded to the message HE PREACHES?
this is a good thing
WHY?
God doesn't ordain false teachers. but He will use them.
Whatever sin there may be, it has been away and to say that he has not repented, who are you to make that claim when his sin is between him and God.
"above reproach,
the husband of one wife"
Have you not learned anything from the scriptures?
Titus 1
5This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you— 6if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife,c and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination. 7For an overseer,d as God’s steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, 8but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. 9
He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sounde doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.
10For there are many who are insubordinate, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision party. 11They must be silenced, since they are upsetting whole families by teaching for shameful gain what they ought not to teach. 12One of the Cretans,f a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.”g 13This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, 14not devoting themselves to
Jewish myths and the commands of people who turn away from the truth.
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The Kingdom, Jewish Fables, and Chiliasm
Titus 1:14
Not giving heed to JEWISH FABLES, and COMMANDMENTS of MEN, that turn from the TRUTH.
Jewish fables (literally, myths) are no new thing. Paul has plainly warned the household of faith not to give heed thereto. He has not given us a list of those grievous heresies; but it is well known that the one that was most fondly cherished, and that constituted the gravest menace to the truth of the gospel, was the notion that the leading purpose of the mission of the coming Messiah would be the reconstitution of the Jewish nation and its elevation to the highest pinnacle of earthly dominion and glory; for that fatuous doctrine was the cornerstone of orthodox Judaism in Paul’s day; and because of his sturdy opposition to it he was persecuted, his enemies plotted to take his life, and he was sent a prisoner to Rome. No wonder that, during the term of his imprisonment there, he wrote to Titus his plain-spoken warning against “Jewish fables.” (Philip Mauro)
Many Christians are not aware of the JEWISH MYTHS, FABLES, and DOCTRINES brought out of BABYLON and taught as DOCTRINE during CHRIST’S and the APOSTLES’ ministry. They both had to contend with these fables and the commandments of men. This is also true concerning JEWISH ESCHATOLOGY and their CONCEPT of the KINGDOM.
Titus would encounter Jewish teachings. Titus is replete with warnings concerning false doctrines which were Jewish in origin and nature. Paul explained, “for there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, especially they of the circumcision” (1: 10). The keeping of genealogies was unimportant because it mattered not if one was of Jewish descent (3: 1; cf. Gal. 3: 25-29). Justification is “by His grace” Paul emphasized to Titus (3: 7). “Jewish fables” were Jewish myths and teachings. The “commandments of men” were teachings which found their origin in men as opposed to God (see Matt. 15:9) .
CHILIASM is the belief in an EARTHLY 1000 year reign (I emphasize EARTHLY, because the phrase “1000 years” is found in the book of REVELATION, in which some interpret as symbolic of perfection and eternity) . Many christians are not aware that his teaching (CHILIASM) has been condemned as HERESY by many in the history of the church. Although we must not base our doctrine on whether it was condemned, but on the WORD OF GOD, We must remember that Jesus spoke of a KINGDOM WITHOUT OBSERVATION (LUKE 17:20)
Chiliasm is not unique with the Christian religion. Its roots can be found in most religions throughout the world. A key element which exists in most religions is that there will be a time when evil will be destroyed by the powers of good followed by a long period of peace. Historically, then, the word Chiliasm has taken on the added meaning of a time of universal peace.
According to Schaff, the belief of a period of a thousand years of peace from evil powers had its origin with the religion of Zoroastrianism. This religion began prior to the Babylonian captivity and was in vogue during the time of the captivity. Zoroastrians believe that they were the ones who first taught the concept of one all powerful god, and the coming of a redeemer to save the world from the evil powers that pervade upon the earth....
...Whether the Jews borrowed their materialistic conception in regard to the future kingdom from ancient Babylonian eschatology as is maintained by Dr. Bavinck, Hoekstra, and others, or whether Dr. Vos is correct in ascribing this Jewish view to their own carnal interpretation of Old Testament prophecy, is a question of minor importance for our present purpose. We believe with Dr. Vos that the charge of Babylonianism need not be laid against Chiliasm. It is not difficult for us to understand that Judaism with its external legalism and carnal expectation would come to such a materialistic conception of the Messianic reign. We do not believe that the Jews borrowed their views from heathen eschatology.
The later Jewish eschatology which was written during the time of the apostles and the early church is far more sensualistic than that which precedes. Baruch is especially typical of this sensualistic coloring. He speaks of the destruction of the enemies at Christ’s coming. After the evil forces are subdued there will follow a period of prosperity and great joy. It is said that a vine will then have a thousand branches, every branch a thousand clusters and every cluster a thousand grapes, etc. We also read, “In those days reapers will not have to exert themselves, and those that build will not have to toil, for of themselves all work will have progress together with those who labor thereon.”
The Jewish Talmud, which is of later origin, tells us that the promised Messiah will destroy the fourth world kingdom which is predicted by Daniel. Israel will be redeemed from the bondage and be gathered from the dispersion to their own land. The Messiah will raise the dead. Jerusalem and the temple will be rebuilt, law and ceremony restored and the kingdom of glory established. During this time the Gentiles shall live in servitude to Israel and the kings of the world will honor the Messiah with costly gifts and sacrifices. (William Masselink)" - John Eckhardt
He's been ministering the gospel for 50 years and that speaks nothing to you. He does not deny Christ, the work of the cross or the grace and mercy of God.
how many ways do you have to see this?
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"....here is where Hagee walks off the cliff.
"That means very simply that there are Jewish people right now who have favor with God by the election of grace."
His definition of the favorable grace of God is far different that what Paul is describing. If you don’t believe me just look at what he says next.
"What is going to happen when Jesus comes back? Every Christian believes that Jesus Christ is the messiah. The Jewish people do not believe that. In that regard we have to agree to disagree. I say to my rabbi friends: "You don't believe it; I do believe it. When we're standing in Jerusalem, and the messiah is coming down the street, one of us is going to have a very major theological adjustment to make. But until that time, let's walk together in support of Israel and in defense of the Jewish people, because Israel needs our help."
This is a truly astounding statement from someone claiming to be an evangelical. To say that I believe in Jesus and you don’t so we’ll just agree to disagree is an absolute abrogation of Jesus command to go into all the world and preach the gospel unto every creature. Hagee is proposing that the election of grace spoken of by Paul is separate from the covenant of grace established by the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. This, my friends is blatant heresy."
Hagee dual covenant < click
I don't care what Zone has to say, she is not thinking right on this stuff and does not know some very simple doctrine that we are to practice as believers. I could give you at least (6) different doctrines that she violates all the time and she will accuse me of being too much grace oriented. She can live with her legalistic tendencies about being critical of others but she is not fooling those who know and have sound doctrine. It is not good to be puffed up with knowledge because there will never be any good fruit to come out of it and you can mark that down.
sound doctrine?
