does it say saved by faith.....??? Where is the Grace of God ...most people who make that misquote are taught ...we are saved by faith....but we are saved by grace through faith....some believed we were saved by works of the law...that is why Paul said ...not of works..........it is through faith and faith without works is dead....not faith first and you will work after...or works first and faith after....it is faith with works....
Paul And James in Total, Complete Agreement On Works
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Paul never use the term law in eph 1 or too. so you are adding to the word of God.
Men can boast of any work, if they are doing it to promote self. That is what Paul is implying.
Na, It does not say must, It says we were created for. Again your adding a word which is not there. Is one not going to act like their new creation?
Paul dealt with a bunch of people. Pagan, Jews,, All who tried to appease God with works of many types. You see to forget paul was sent to gentile lands which were engrained deep in paganism and all their works
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And some (gentile pagans) thought we were saved by works of paganism, and doing good deeds. A fact yuo seem to ignore.
Faith produces works, if there was no works, there is no faith.
If you trust God, (faith) you will do what he says, if yuo do not, You will not.
It is actually prety easy to understand if you just think about it.
As for the word belief in john 14: 12. The word pistis was used.
Interesting how the same word is used in eph 2: 8 (translated faith)
so nice try.
you are just being ignorant...if you don't want to be faithful in works then don't be....
Titus 3:8
This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
Titus 1:16
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Revelation 2:9-11King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Titus 3:8
This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
Titus 1:16
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Revelation 2:9-11King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
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Your just being sarcastic, and pridefull.
I never said I did not do works. I do many works. but am not going to puff myself up with them. They are for God, not myself.
Your the one who claims we must do works. So show us HOW MANY we need to dol
Again, none of those passages you just posted shows us how many works it takes to prove on is faithful worker. or an unfaithful non worker. So how many?
I never said I did not do works. I do many works. but am not going to puff myself up with them. They are for God, not myself.
Your the one who claims we must do works. So show us HOW MANY we need to dol
Again, none of those passages you just posted shows us how many works it takes to prove on is faithful worker. or an unfaithful non worker. So how many?
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Yes, He made it simple enough for a child to understand. A true conversion gifts us with the indwelling of His Holy Spirit of Truth that He promises will lead us into all truth [John 16:13] and His Sheep Know and Hear His Voice and FOLLOW [John 10] plus He left His Words for us to understand obedience as He understood it while in the flesh.
"The faith of Jesus" is that faith that He walked in while in the flesh - and "He learned obedience through what He suffered" to be 'our' Example of how to walk in the Spirit -- totally dependent on the Father through the direction of The Spirit.
Yes, we now have The Three in One directing, teaching, leading and guiding us in all things IF we learn to Know, Hear and Follow -- He guides us to what we should do and never contradicts His Own Words. We just need to yield to Him, speaking and guiding us by His Spirit and His Word.
It is simple once you die to your own desires and worldly time wasters and seek His Kingdom first and His righteousness. His Word says that we're to walk even as He did ... can't get any clearer than that. He said the words and works that He did were not His Own [while in the flesh like us] but were "given to Him" by the Father and through His Spirit. Jesus "walked in direct uninterrupted communion with the Spirit of God for every thought, word and action He did ... and gave us the same grace to do so ourselves ... if we're IN HIM and HE IN US and He tells what is required to Have that verse fulfilled where He says, "And We shall make Our abode in him [us]".
Faith alone leaves all of this above out. That we are to walk exactly as He did - and as Paul was the example that it can be done - and others. They stopped their own thoughts, looked Up to Him that supplies the instruction, words, direction and waited for the answers - and not just acted out of their own mind or thoughts. They walked waiting and following that still small voice and what is written and knew which Scripture The Holy Spirit was directing them to while walking in The Spirit that only speaks "what is written" or what is in-line with Scripture. He/The Holy Spirit testifies of Christ Who is The Word of God. But dying to self - dying to other people's opinions or caring about other's opinions and loving this world and the pleasures of it doesn't come easy ... that why this whole walk is all about loving Him with all of our heart, mind and strength - above all else - seeking His Will - Moment by Moment for the Moment that we're in.
But, most love this world and their own lives and the things in this world and refuse to walk as He walked - led by His Spirit / His Voice / The Shepherd's Voice [Romans 8]. We like sheep have gone astray ... not walking in His Spirit, we walk in the flesh and our works are birthed of flesh and have produce no eternal good. Obedience is good - but obedience to The Word of God by His Spirit is how He walked and so much more fruitful for us. That we may be like Him in this world, during our short lifespan ... that's how HE gets ALL of the Glory, when it's no longer we that live but Christ that lives within us - when we decrease [die to our own wants - as a living sacrifice], He increases. It's a hard life to live like Christ or Paul but Heavenly Communion can't be compared to living in the flesh for the things and pleasures of this world. Amen.
"The faith of Jesus" is that faith that He walked in while in the flesh - and "He learned obedience through what He suffered" to be 'our' Example of how to walk in the Spirit -- totally dependent on the Father through the direction of The Spirit.
Yes, we now have The Three in One directing, teaching, leading and guiding us in all things IF we learn to Know, Hear and Follow -- He guides us to what we should do and never contradicts His Own Words. We just need to yield to Him, speaking and guiding us by His Spirit and His Word.
It is simple once you die to your own desires and worldly time wasters and seek His Kingdom first and His righteousness. His Word says that we're to walk even as He did ... can't get any clearer than that. He said the words and works that He did were not His Own [while in the flesh like us] but were "given to Him" by the Father and through His Spirit. Jesus "walked in direct uninterrupted communion with the Spirit of God for every thought, word and action He did ... and gave us the same grace to do so ourselves ... if we're IN HIM and HE IN US and He tells what is required to Have that verse fulfilled where He says, "And We shall make Our abode in him [us]".
Faith alone leaves all of this above out. That we are to walk exactly as He did - and as Paul was the example that it can be done - and others. They stopped their own thoughts, looked Up to Him that supplies the instruction, words, direction and waited for the answers - and not just acted out of their own mind or thoughts. They walked waiting and following that still small voice and what is written and knew which Scripture The Holy Spirit was directing them to while walking in The Spirit that only speaks "what is written" or what is in-line with Scripture. He/The Holy Spirit testifies of Christ Who is The Word of God. But dying to self - dying to other people's opinions or caring about other's opinions and loving this world and the pleasures of it doesn't come easy ... that why this whole walk is all about loving Him with all of our heart, mind and strength - above all else - seeking His Will - Moment by Moment for the Moment that we're in.
But, most love this world and their own lives and the things in this world and refuse to walk as He walked - led by His Spirit / His Voice / The Shepherd's Voice [Romans 8]. We like sheep have gone astray ... not walking in His Spirit, we walk in the flesh and our works are birthed of flesh and have produce no eternal good. Obedience is good - but obedience to The Word of God by His Spirit is how He walked and so much more fruitful for us. That we may be like Him in this world, during our short lifespan ... that's how HE gets ALL of the Glory, when it's no longer we that live but Christ that lives within us - when we decrease [die to our own wants - as a living sacrifice], He increases. It's a hard life to live like Christ or Paul but Heavenly Communion can't be compared to living in the flesh for the things and pleasures of this world. Amen.
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Yahshua says:
Yahchanan (John) 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."
Yahchanan (John) 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."
However you did not address the meaning of this verse.
The Messiah gives a clear distinction:
Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live
those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned
Pretty clear I think.
Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"
Isayah 29:13-14, "13 Therefore Yahweh said: Because these people draw near to Me with their mouths and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me, and their reverence to Me is taught by the precept of men; Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people; a marvelous work and a wonder; for the wisdom of their wise men will perish, and the understanding of their prudent men, will be hid."
The Messiah gives a clear distinction:
Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live
those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned
Pretty clear I think.
Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"
Isayah 29:13-14, "13 Therefore Yahweh said: Because these people draw near to Me with their mouths and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me, and their reverence to Me is taught by the precept of men; Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people; a marvelous work and a wonder; for the wisdom of their wise men will perish, and the understanding of their prudent men, will be hid."
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Actually, yes I did.
Those who are saved WILL practice righteousness. They are the only ones who can. and even john says, they do so because they are born of God.
Those who practice unrighteousness are those who do not believe, They can not practice righteousness, even if they tried.
It also goes with way Jesus said,
Those who believe are not condemned, those who do not believe are condemned already, because they have not believed in the only name of Christ.
so scripture fits scripture.
If you have faith, you will practice righteousness
If you do not You will practice unrighteousness.
drive near with mouth and lips.. Sounds just like a legalist.
They claim to have faith in God and be his people. but they have removed him from their hearts. because all the works of God they do are self motivated. not out of love
Those who are saved WILL practice righteousness. They are the only ones who can. and even john says, they do so because they are born of God.
Those who practice unrighteousness are those who do not believe, They can not practice righteousness, even if they tried.
It also goes with way Jesus said,
Those who believe are not condemned, those who do not believe are condemned already, because they have not believed in the only name of Christ.
so scripture fits scripture.
If you have faith, you will practice righteousness
If you do not You will practice unrighteousness.
drive near with mouth and lips.. Sounds just like a legalist.
They claim to have faith in God and be his people. but they have removed him from their hearts. because all the works of God they do are self motivated. not out of love
You turned it around a bit, James (Yaaqob) said:[SUP] "26 [/SUP]For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."
Hebrew 11:6, "For without the faith it is impossible to please Him; for he who comes to Yahweh must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him."
Habakkuk 2:4, "Behold the proud, his soul is not right in him; but the just will live by the faith (H#530 faith/faithfulness)."
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) firmness, fidelity, steadfastness, steadiness
Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
Feminine of H0529; literally firmness; figuratively security; moral fidelity:—faith (-ful, -ly, -ness, [man]), set office, stability, steady, truly, truth, verily.
Strong's (Hebrew & Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament) #530.
אֱמוּנָה
emunah (53c); from 539; firmness, steadfastness, fidelity:—
NASB - faith(1), faithful(3), faithfully(8), faithfulness(25), honestly(1), responsibility(1), stability(1), steady(1), trust(2), truth(5).
Yahdah (Juda) 1:3, "Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write to you about the common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you, and exhort you that you should earnestly contend for the faith which was once, for all, delivered to the saints. For there are certain men who have secretly crept in, who were before of old ordained for this condemnation, unholy men, who turn the undeserved pardon of our One Supreme Savior Yahweh into licentiousness, and deny Yahshua our Messiah."
Hebrew 11:6, "For without the faith it is impossible to please Him; for he who comes to Yahweh must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him."
Habakkuk 2:4, "Behold the proud, his soul is not right in him; but the just will live by the faith (H#530 faith/faithfulness)."
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) firmness, fidelity, steadfastness, steadiness
Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
Feminine of H0529; literally firmness; figuratively security; moral fidelity:—faith (-ful, -ly, -ness, [man]), set office, stability, steady, truly, truth, verily.
Strong's (Hebrew & Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament) #530.
אֱמוּנָה
emunah (53c); from 539; firmness, steadfastness, fidelity:—
NASB - faith(1), faithful(3), faithfully(8), faithfulness(25), honestly(1), responsibility(1), stability(1), steady(1), trust(2), truth(5).
Yahdah (Juda) 1:3, "Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write to you about the common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you, and exhort you that you should earnestly contend for the faith which was once, for all, delivered to the saints. For there are certain men who have secretly crept in, who were before of old ordained for this condemnation, unholy men, who turn the undeserved pardon of our One Supreme Savior Yahweh into licentiousness, and deny Yahshua our Messiah."