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I'm still trying to find the peck of pickled peppers that Peter Piper pickled.[/QUOTE]
I don't believe that Peter Piper actually picked any pecks of pickled peppers. Peter Piper pretended to pick pecks of pickled peppers without providing a peck of proof.
 

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I'm still trying to find the peck of pickled peppers that Peter Piper pickled.
I don't believe that Peter Piper actually picked any pecks of pickled peppers. Peter Piper pretended to pick pecks of pickled peppers without a peck of proof.[/QUOTE]
Certainly an investigation is in order to get to the bottom of this. Perhaps we need to assign a special council.
 

Mem

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I don't believe that Peter Piper actually picked any pecks of pickled peppers. Peter Piper pretended to pick pecks of pickled peppers without a peck of proof.
Certainly an investigation is in order to get to the bottom of this. Perhaps we need to assign a special council.[/QUOTE]

Indeed, the truth will come out in the pickling process.
 

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Certainly an investigation is in order to get to the bottom of this. Perhaps we need to assign a special council.
Indeed, the truth will come out in the pickling process.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps. So long as no one gets canned.
 

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Yes but a fool who knows he’s a fool is just being honest when he says he’s a fool and how much wood could a woodchuck actually chuck ? Do you know ? Been trying to solve that mystery for an age
I'm still trying to find the peck of pickled peppers that Peter Piper pickled.
I'm still trying to find the peck of pickled peppers that Peter Piper pickled. I don't believe that Peter Piper actually picked any pecks of pickled peppers. Peter Piper pretended to pick pecks of pickled peppers without providing a peck of proof.
I don't believe that Peter Piper actually picked any pecks of pickled peppers. Peter Piper pretended to pick pecks of pickled peppers without a peck of proof. Certainly an investigation is in order to get to the bottom of this. Perhaps we need to assign a special council.
Have you all lost your minds?

The “curse of the Law” is receiving death for committing a sin worthy of death.

It is not: "You shall have no other gods before Me, You shall make no idols, You shall not take the name of YHWH in vain, Keep the Sabbath day holy, Honor your father and your mother, You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor, You shall not covet.”

Yahshua/Jesus took that curse of the death penalty upon Himself for all those who abide in Him.

Deuteronomy 21:22-23, “And when a man has committed a sin worthy of death, then he shall be put to death and you shall hang him on a tree. Let his body not remain overnight on the tree, for you shall certainly bury him the same day – for he who is hanged is accursed of Yah – so that you do not defile the land which יהוה your Strength is giving you as an inheritance.”

1 John 5:17, “All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death.”

Ezekiel 18:20-21, “The being who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the crookedness of the father, nor the father bear the crookedness of the son. The righteousness of the righteous is upon himself, and the wrongness of the wrong is upon himself. But the wrong, if he turns from all his sins which he has done, and he shall guard all My laws, and shall do right-ruling and righteousness, he shall certainly live, he shall not die.”

Galatians 3:10-14, “10, "For as many as are of works of Torah are under the curse, for it has been written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all that has been written in the Book of the Torah, to do them.” (Deut 27:26) 11, "And that no one is declared right by Torah before YHWH is clear, for “The righteous shall live by belief. (Hab 2:4)” 12, "And the Torah is not of belief, but “The man who does them shall live by them, (Leviticus 18:5)” 13, "Messiah redeemed us from the curse of the Torah, having become a curse for us – for it has been written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs upon a tree.” – (Deut 21:23) 14, "in order that the blessing of Aḇraham might come upon the nations in Messiah יהושע, to receive the promise of the Spirit through belief."

Galatians 3:13,(KJV) "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the Law (death-Deut 21:22), being made a curse for us, for it is written, Cursed is everyone who hangeth on a tree."

1 Peter 2:24, "who Himself bore our sins in His body on the timber, so that we, having died to sins, might live unto righteousness, by whose stripes you were healed.”

Isaiah 53:4-5, “Truly, He has borne our sicknesses and carried our pains. Yet we reckoned Him smitten·, stricken by YHWH, and afflicted. But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our crookedness. The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed.”

1 Peter 4:1-2, "Therefore, since Messiah suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind, because he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, so that he no longer lives the rest of his time in the flesh for the lusts of men, but according to the desire of YHWH."

Deuteronomy 27:26, “Cursed is he who does not establish the Words of this Torah.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Awmĕin!”
 

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Have you all lost your minds?

The “curse of the Law” is receiving death for committing a sin worthy of death.

It is not: "You shall have no other gods before Me, You shall make no idols, You shall not take the name of YHWH in vain, Keep the Sabbath day holy, Honor your father and your mother, You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor, You shall not covet.”

Yahshua/Jesus took that curse of the death penalty upon Himself for all those who abide in Him.

Deuteronomy 21:22-23, “And when a man has committed a sin worthy of death, then he shall be put to death and you shall hang him on a tree. Let his body not remain overnight on the tree, for you shall certainly bury him the same day – for he who is hanged is accursed of Yah – so that you do not defile the land which יהוה your Strength is giving you as an inheritance.”

1 John 5:17, “All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death.”

Ezekiel 18:20-21, “The being who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the crookedness of the father, nor the father bear the crookedness of the son. The righteousness of the righteous is upon himself, and the wrongness of the wrong is upon himself. But the wrong, if he turns from all his sins which he has done, and he shall guard all My laws, and shall do right-ruling and righteousness, he shall certainly live, he shall not die.”

Galatians 3:10-14, “10, "For as many as are of works of Torah are under the curse, for it has been written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all that has been written in the Book of the Torah, to do them.” (Deut 27:26) 11, "And that no one is declared right by Torah before YHWH is clear, for “The righteous shall live by belief. (Hab 2:4)” 12, "And the Torah is not of belief, but “The man who does them shall live by them, (Leviticus 18:5)” 13, "Messiah redeemed us from the curse of the Torah, having become a curse for us – for it has been written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs upon a tree.” – (Deut 21:23) 14, "in order that the blessing of Aḇraham might come upon the nations in Messiah יהושע, to receive the promise of the Spirit through belief."

Galatians 3:13,(KJV) "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the Law (death-Deut 21:22), being made a curse for us, for it is written, Cursed is everyone who hangeth on a tree."

1 Peter 2:24, "who Himself bore our sins in His body on the timber, so that we, having died to sins, might live unto righteousness, by whose stripes you were healed.”

Isaiah 53:4-5, “Truly, He has borne our sicknesses and carried our pains. Yet we reckoned Him smitten·, stricken by YHWH, and afflicted. But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our crookedness. The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed.”

1 Peter 4:1-2, "Therefore, since Messiah suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind, because he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, so that he no longer lives the rest of his time in the flesh for the lusts of men, but according to the desire of YHWH."

Deuteronomy 27:26, “Cursed is he who does not establish the Words of this Torah.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Awmĕin!”
I can't speak for the others, but I haven't lost. my mind. Read the post. I'm looking for pickled peppers.
 

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Another of your false accusations.
youre always taking those potshots.

So in my discussions with that person they reply, but they usually do not address my questions or Scriptures I post but they mostly just post back with their own ideas, which is ok, but I would also like my questions, statements and Scriptures to be addressed. Not every one I know its easy to miss stuff, but he posted a large post at me, I broke it into 7 reply posts touching on each of the ideas/topics and he said

see brother I’ve tried to tell you I don’t want to keep this conversation goinf at this point I’ve pretty much said everything I know myself right or wrong. Ow gonna let that sit. But you’ve now replied seven more times i feel like we’ve kind of derailed this thread at this point I hope to rub into you again in another discussion I’ve tried to express what I know and believe whether it’s right or wrong God knows and I’m at peace with it as I seek to know him better than yesterday God loves you and me too hopefully I know that

thanks for the time you spent on some of my foolishness I hope there’s no offense found none was intended
All I did way reply to his post, pretty much fully, and this was his reaction... I replied broken up into 7 posts to fully answer his post, and it "derailing"
 
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that’s good does he believe that jesus and the gospel is how someone can actually meet and know the lord in truth without the veil of Moses law ?

I would suggest that, if read more closely, 2 Corinthians 3:14-16 is not stating that the Law of Moses is the veil that is removed in Christ. It states that when Moses is read, a veil is over their heart. Nowhere does the text indicate that the veil is the Law (or any other part of the Bible, for that matter), or that the Law itself is causing the veil. It simply states that there's a veil when they're listening to the reading, but that when they turn to the Lord the veil is taken away.
 

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Welll, since a woodchuck could chuck wood, surely a woodchuck would chuck as much would as he could chuck.
I thought so but wouldn’t each individual woodchuck chick various amounts ?
 

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I'm still trying to find the peck of pickled peppers that Peter Piper pickled.[/QUOTE]

arhat reminds me again of Barney I just watched that episode two days ago hahaha “ rubber buggy baby bumpers “

 

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again you ignore part of the text. I highlighted it in red for you " Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law"



That did not happen yet

Revelation 21:1-2, “And I saw a renewed heaven and a renewed earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Yah, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”



You brought it up then command me to let it go, come on, you cant talk at someone then say they can not reply.
sigh man you’ve added another seven comments since I explained the third Time …..just understand I stopped reading way back about fifteen posts ago sorry I tried to explain a few times I’m not looking to bicker and argue and go in circles I feel like we are doing abbot and Costello now “ who’s on first , yeah that’s what I’m asking what’s the guys name on first ? What’s on second ? Who ? Yeah he’s on first “

that’s what our conversation turned into brother a long time ago neither is herring the other …….I’m not even reading then anymore havent for two days lol tried to inform you

“who’s on first ! “ that’s what I’m asking what’s e guys name on first …” you know ? I left the stage and am driving down then Interestate it’s just abbot up there now Costello is hungry and sleepy he went home but what’s the guys name out on left field ? No what’s on second , so who’s on forst I still don’t know who’s the guys name on first

it’s a parable I suppose
 

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sigh man you’ve added another seven comments since I explained the third Time …..just understand I stopped reading way back about fifteen posts ago sorry I tried to explain a few times I’m not looking to bicker and argue and go in circles I feel like we are doing abbot and Costello now “ who’s on first , yeah that’s what I’m asking what’s the guys name on first ? What’s on second ? Who ? Yeah he’s on first “

that’s what our conversation turned into brother a long time ago neither is herring the other …….I’m not even reading then anymore havent for two days lol tried to inform you

“who’s on first ! “ that’s what I’m asking what’s e guys name on first …” you know ? I left the stage and am driving down then Interestate it’s just abbot up there now Costello is hungry and sleepy he went home but what’s the guys name out on left field ? No what’s on second , so who’s on forst I still don’t know who’s the guys name on first

it’s a parable I suppose
I replied to YOUR post, I just broke it into sections. I would rather actually answer your questions and reply to your views than what you do never discussing what I post. None the less all is well. but for sure anyone is spoken to has a right to reply.
You posted a long post I replied with Scripture and my views breaking your post into 7 replies touching on everything, but have turned to:

and how much wood could a woodchuck actually chuck ? Do you know ? Been trying to solve that mystery for an age
“who’s on first ! “ that’s what I’m asking what’s e guys name on first …” you know ? I left the stage and am driving down then Interestate it’s just abbot up there now Costello is hungry and sleepy he went home but what’s the guys name out on left field ? No what’s on second , so who’s on forst I still don’t know who’s the guys name on first
Galatians 3:13,, “Messiah redeemed us from the curse of the Torah (Deut 21:22), having become a curse for us – for it has been written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs upon a tree.”

Revelation 22:14

King James Bible
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

New King James Version
Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“Blessings to those who are doing his Commandments; their authority shall be over The Tree of Life, and they shall enter The City by the gates.”

Majority Standard Bible
Blessed are those who do His commandments, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by its gates.

Webster's Bible Translation
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

World English Bible
Blessed are those who do his commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.

Young's Literal Translation
'Happy are those doing His commands that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of the life, and by the gates they may enter into the city;

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”
 

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You posted a long post I replied with Scripture and my views breaking your post into 7 replies touching on everything, but have turned to:





Galatians 3:13,, “Messiah redeemed us from the curse of the Torah (Deut 21:22), having become a curse for us – for it has been written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs upon a tree.”

Revelation 22:14

King James Bible
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

New King James Version
Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“Blessings to those who are doing his Commandments; their authority shall be over The Tree of Life, and they shall enter The City by the gates.”

Majority Standard Bible
Blessed are those who do His commandments, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by its gates.

Webster's Bible Translation
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

World English Bible
Blessed are those who do his commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.

Young's Literal Translation
'Happy are those doing His commands that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of the life, and by the gates they may enter into the city;

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”
Lovely post brother
 

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[/QUOTE]
Certainly an investigation is in order to get to the bottom of this. Perhaps we need to assign a special council.[/QUOTE]

there’s was an ole woman who lives in a shoe , she can help
 

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Certainly an investigation is in order to get to the bottom of this. Perhaps we need to assign a special council.[/QUOTE]

there’s was an ole woman who lives in a shoe , she can help[/QUOTE]
She just needs to send out her spies...I mean kids...to investigate. While we're at it, wherever did the dish and the spoon get off to?
 

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Yep god bless brother for sure apologies for my foolishness
May the Creator bless you as well

Psalm 84:5, "Blessed is the man whose strength is in You, Your Highways are in their heart."

This world can be tough, but we must hold fast to Him and endure this firey trial, be strong!

This passage is amazing, very special, I really look to YHWH increasingly when I read it, please dwell on it

Hebrews 12:3-17, For consider Him who endured such opposition from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and faint in your lives."4, You have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin."5, And you have forgotten the appeal which speaks to you as to sons, “My son, do not despise the discipline of יהוה, nor faint when you are reproved by Him,"6, for whom יהוה loves, He disciplines, and flogs every son whom He receives.” Pro 3:11-12."7, If you endure discipline, Yah is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom a father does not discipline?"8, But if you are without discipline, of which all have become sharers, then you are illegitimate and not sons."9, Moreover, we indeed had fathers of our flesh disciplining us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much rather be subject to the Father of spirits, and live?"10, For they indeed disciplined us for a few days as seemed best to them, but He does it for our profit, so that we might share His apartness."11, And indeed, no discipline seems pleasant at the time, but grievous, but afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it."12, So, strengthen the hands which hang down and the weak knees, Isa 35:3."13, and make straight paths for your feet, lest the lame be turned aside, but instead, to be healed."14, Pursue peace with all, and pursue apartness without which no one shall see the Master."15, See to it that no one falls short of the favor of Yah, that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, by which many become defiled,"16, lest there be anyone who whores, or profane one, like Ěsaw, who for a single meal sold his birthright. 17, For you know that afterward, when he wished to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought it with tears."