SpeakTruth101 said:
Please dont edit out my reply, ignore what I said then "discredit" me... You are adding to what I said, when you alter my statement it is dishonest discussion. I never said "sacrificial laws to cover sin" I assume you mean the blood of animals. I mentioned Yahshua's priesthood.However I will prove my view, as if I alrready didn;t in the verses I posted and you ignored, not even mentioning them...
First, Gentiles were ALWAYS allowed to join to YHWH and when they did they were under the same Law as a native born Hebrew born in Israel.
Numbers 15:15-16, “One law is for you of the assembly
and for the stranger who sojourns with you – a law forever throughout your generations. As you are, so is the stranger before יהוה.
One Torah and one right-ruling is for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you.”
The "stranger" here is the non-Hebrew, the Gentile. Yet we see well before Yahshua was born, Gentiles being as a native born.
Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and
he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
One law shall be to him that is nativeborn,
and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”
"he shall be as one that is born in the land" It does not say 2nd class, it says the same. However the Pharisees did make their own laws, making those grafted in as 2nd class, Pharisee laws are falsehood and not true Law of YHWH.
Exodus 12:37-40, “And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children. 38, And a *
mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle. 39, And they baked unleavened cakes of the dough which they brought forth out of Egypt, for it was not leavened; because they were thrust out of Egypt, and could not tarry, neither had they prepared for themselves any victual. 40, Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years.”
The words “*
mixed multitude” are words: #H6154 - עֶרֶב עֵרֶב - ‛êreb ‛ereb, ay'-reb, eh'-reb, The second form used in 1 Kings 10:15 with the article prefixed); from H6148; the web (or transverse threads of cloth); also a mixture, (or mongrel race):—Arabia, mingled people, mixed (multitude)
So here we see even during the Exodus Gentiles were as a native
Even Paul agrees:
Galatians 3:28-29, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And
if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise."
And it has been this way since the beginning, as I showed in Exodus and Numbers.
Galatians 3:28-29, "...
Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise."
Psalm 105:6-9, "
O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."
I have more, but I don't want to make a single post too long, so I ask that you actually discuss what I posted rather than idsmiss it without even breaking it down...
Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH:
I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”
This is the Covenant of Yahshua
Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those
guarding the Commands of יהוה and the Belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”
All I see here is just reams and reams of Scripture ---not one says the Gentiles were ever under God's laws ---
So your
But again
And this you say here is a lie ----
Please dont edit out my reply, ignore what I said then "discredit" me... You are adding to what I said, when you alter my statement it is dishonest discussion.
Get this ------I never quoted any of your post to edit or added anything to your words -----this is my post and my words ----
This post here is my post --my words -----and what I said to you ---
-I quoted nothing from your post ----so now you owe me an apology for saying I edited your post and tried to discredit you ---I did no such thing
@SpeakTruth101 -----
I think you need to understand that the Law of Moses was directed at the Jewish nation only ----the Gentiles were never under the law -----so if your born a Jew ---and if you have not received Jesus as your Lord and Saviour they are still under the 613 laws that God put in place for them --which they cannot keep --so they remain -under the Ministry of Death --
There is no Faith needed in Keeping the 10 Commandments -----so it matters not if you try and keep them your not in the Right faith ----and you cannot keep them because if you even think in your mind about murder or adultery or lying you have just broke all 613 laws ----Jesus says if you think about lying with a married women then you have committed the sin ------
The Gentiles were Grafted into the Salvation program to try to knock sense into the Jewish nation ----they are not obligated to keep the Mosaic Laws ----as they were never meant for them ------the Gentiles come under the 3 New Laws -----so if any Jew has received Jesus in their heart ------then these 3 laws apply to them -----
The Love of Love -----is written on the heart ---love God with all your heart --soul ---mind and strength
The law of Faith ----No one can please God with His Faith -----
Romans 3:27
Boasting Excluded
27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law?[
a] By one of works? No, on the contrary,
by a law[b] of faith
The Law of Liberty ----
James 1:25
Amplified Bible
25 But
he who looks carefully into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and faithfully abides by it, not having become a [careless] listener who forgets
but [a]an active doer [who obeys], he will be blessed and favored by God in what he does [in his life of obedience]
I say
God gave the 10 Commandments and they are perfect ---but even when we are born Again we still reside in the Flesh which is still weak ----We do have a resource to call on when we feel that weakness to fall into sin which is Grace but how many people use that resource in their weakness is the Question ----Satan is still on the loose and we born again Christians are still bombarded with Satan's attacks ---and anyone who just thinks they can keep the 10 Commandments because they are written on our hearts are deceiving themselves -----
Many of God's Chosen will Parrish in Hell because they have rejected Jesus not because they tried to keep the God's Laws ----which they can't keep anyway -----but God has a plan to save the 12 tribes of Israel in the last days so many Jews will be saved in the end ------
Also your taking one line of Scripture and trying to make it fit what you believe and you need to know the context from which your piece of scripture is taken ----the Old Testament was for the Jewish nation only ----and that has to be kept in mind ------all people were included only after Jesus died and the Holy Spirit was introduced ----
Different laws applied under the New Covenant ----
The law of Love will make you want to obey all God commands but Satan has other ideas and is very crafty to get a Carnal Christian to fall in their attempt to keep what God commands ---and Jesus knows how hard it is for us to stay on the straight road ------Maturing in your faith walk with Christ is the way to keep from falling into sin ----
