Paul was not qualified to be an apostle
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i doubt you'll be called to this: though you never know.
2 Corinthians 11
Paul's Sufferings and Service
But whatever anyone else dares to boast of—I am speaking as a fool—I also dare to boast of that. 22Are they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I. Are they offspring of Abraham? So am I. 23Are they servants of Christ? I am a better one—I am talking like a madman—with far greater labors, far more imprisonments, with countless beatings, and often near death. 24Five times I received at the hands of the Jews the forty lashes less one. 25Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned. Three times I was shipwrecked; a night and a day I was adrift at sea; 26on frequent journeys, in danger from rivers, danger from robbers, danger from my own people, danger from Gentiles, danger in the city, danger in the wilderness, danger at sea, danger from false brothers; 27in toil and hardship, through many a sleepless night, in hunger and thirst, often without food,a in cold and exposure. 28And, apart from other things, there is the daily pressure on me of my anxiety for all the churches. 29Who is weak, and I am not weak? Who is made to fall, and I am not indignant?
thank you brother Paul
2 Corinthians 11
Paul's Sufferings and Service
But whatever anyone else dares to boast of—I am speaking as a fool—I also dare to boast of that. 22Are they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I. Are they offspring of Abraham? So am I. 23Are they servants of Christ? I am a better one—I am talking like a madman—with far greater labors, far more imprisonments, with countless beatings, and often near death. 24Five times I received at the hands of the Jews the forty lashes less one. 25Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned. Three times I was shipwrecked; a night and a day I was adrift at sea; 26on frequent journeys, in danger from rivers, danger from robbers, danger from my own people, danger from Gentiles, danger in the city, danger in the wilderness, danger at sea, danger from false brothers; 27in toil and hardship, through many a sleepless night, in hunger and thirst, often without food,a in cold and exposure. 28And, apart from other things, there is the daily pressure on me of my anxiety for all the churches. 29Who is weak, and I am not weak? Who is made to fall, and I am not indignant?
thank you brother Paul
Excuse me, but I am having a problem posting... how do I delete a double post. I guess it really doesn't matter.
Christian, I am one. What I admire most about any & all Christians, is to understand and recognize they want to know God, they are trying to respond to God, they love God... even when they are lost, enemies, dead to Him, like I used to be. Thanks for the comments, and being true to the character of your nature.
Christian, I am one. What I admire most about any & all Christians, is to understand and recognize they want to know God, they are trying to respond to God, they love God... even when they are lost, enemies, dead to Him, like I used to be. Thanks for the comments, and being true to the character of your nature.
I´m sure I will not preach Pal, but Jesus. I will not witness about Apolos or any other than the Son of God.
I´d like to ask you to excuse me if my ideas seem ed a bit offensive to some beliefs I don´t believe, regarding that great man I will meet if I be saved by God´s grace.
Sorry for tell my truth!
But I know how I see Paul...
I´d like to ask you to excuse me if my ideas seem ed a bit offensive to some beliefs I don´t believe, regarding that great man I will meet if I be saved by God´s grace.
Sorry for tell my truth!
But I know how I see Paul...
K
To the OP was anybody qualified to be an apostle? I mean Judas was in the inner circle along with hated tax collectors. The only one educated was luke and maybe John. If you read Samuel, David was surrounded by rude and worthless men, which became his 300 most valiant men which one he had killed so he could take his wife. How qualified were they? the only thing that qualifies a man or woman is faith in the work of the cross and nothing else.
Scripture is one unified whole, about our eternal God who is the same from creation to the last days. If humans find that one verse reports God as different in any part of scripture, it is not God who is different, it is the human understanding. Scripture tells us that God spoke through Paul. If you are reading scripture to say that is not so, then you need to look deeper to find truth.
As far as saying that the movement to consider the OT more seriously as scripture is a teerrrriibblle thing, it simply is not. If there is a church who says they believe in this and they also believe rituals are the way to salvation, that church is not following scripture and that does not say it is wrong to follow the OT teachings of God principles. There is no central organization for this movement where their interpretation of bible is uniform throughout the movement like there is for many other denominations such as Lutheran or Baptist.
Most churches study the way Christ changed our world from only a study of the NT. Most Roots churches study the same thing, but start with what Christ changed. Most churches say you must accept all foods to eat, if you don't you deny Christ. Most roots churches say that God suggested not eating scavenger animals, lets look into why God said that, it might help our walk. Roots churches say that our walk must be centered on Christ, not on the food we eat as opposed to the idea you must accept all food to be Christian.
As far as saying that the movement to consider the OT more seriously as scripture is a teerrrriibblle thing, it simply is not. If there is a church who says they believe in this and they also believe rituals are the way to salvation, that church is not following scripture and that does not say it is wrong to follow the OT teachings of God principles. There is no central organization for this movement where their interpretation of bible is uniform throughout the movement like there is for many other denominations such as Lutheran or Baptist.
Most churches study the way Christ changed our world from only a study of the NT. Most Roots churches study the same thing, but start with what Christ changed. Most churches say you must accept all foods to eat, if you don't you deny Christ. Most roots churches say that God suggested not eating scavenger animals, lets look into why God said that, it might help our walk. Roots churches say that our walk must be centered on Christ, not on the food we eat as opposed to the idea you must accept all food to be Christian.
Hebrews 5:5 ) So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
6 .) As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
7 .) Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
8 .) Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 .) And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
10 .) Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
11 .) Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
Hebrews 9:11) But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 .) Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13 .) For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 .) How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 .) And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Hebrews 4:11) Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12 .) For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 .) Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 .) Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15 .) For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16 .) Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
(this should settle that argument.........)
6 .) As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
7 .) Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
8 .) Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 .) And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
10 .) Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
11 .) Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
Hebrews 9:11) But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 .) Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13 .) For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 .) How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 .) And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Hebrews 4:11) Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12 .) For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 .) Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 .) Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15 .) For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16 .) Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
(this should settle that argument.........)
// i think were jumping to conclusions instead of asking you to further discuss what you mean,,,,,,,//
Yes, my appologies to everyone. I think communications in this manner, text form, can be so vague and open ended, at times. I could have been a little more sensitive maybe in the title. The prevailing norm at large has failed to truly comprehend the unique nature of Paul's apostleship and the value of what God is doing today, with the ministry of reconciliation.
Yes, my appologies to everyone. I think communications in this manner, text form, can be so vague and open ended, at times. I could have been a little more sensitive maybe in the title. The prevailing norm at large has failed to truly comprehend the unique nature of Paul's apostleship and the value of what God is doing today, with the ministry of reconciliation.