Paul was not qualified to be an apostle

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p_rehbein

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Ok, no answer.....from Pink.........so I don't know how to respond/discuss.........oh well........

at the risk of misunderstanding Pink, does anyone else know who the "NEW MAN" is Pink was referring to?
Ok, clearly NO ONE, not even Miss Pink knows who the mysterious "New Man" is she referred to.............well, no surprise there.
 

p_rehbein

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Really, we must be reading different stuff:
Romans 7:18

[SUP]18 [/SUP]For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find notRom 8:8
Rom 8:9
Romans 8:9

[SUP]9 [/SUP]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Romans 8:13

[SUP]13 [/SUP]For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
1 Corinthians 1:29
[SUP]29 [/SUP]That no flesh should glory in his presence.
Galatians 3:3
Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Galatians 4:23
But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Galatians 5:16
[SUP]16 [/SUP]This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Philippians 3:3

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Well there was more I just didn't have time.
Dunno, I'm reading the Holy Bible.........

Matthew 6:25) Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?
26 .) Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?
27 .) Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
28 .) And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
29 .) And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
30 .) Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
31 .) Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
32 .) (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
33 .) But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
34 .) Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Jesus fed the 4,000 because He was concerned about them...........
Jesus fed the 5,000 because He was concerned about them...........
God fed the Jews in the wilderness for 40 years............
and on, and on, and on..............
 

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Oh my goodness, big smiling. Laughter is enjoyable, nice pic Zone. I have been trying to read the posts in between baking, wrapping presents and other stuff, but to tired, I will come back to this, when I can, might be tomorrow night or Sunday night. Thanks.
 
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PAul was an apostle.
The only reason to try and remove him
is because he tells the truth
that the MAN OF SIN
which is a flase teacher
would come and preach false doctrines
and sit in a temple
and call himself God
and pretend that he is God
and people would fall for it
and worship him
instead of JEsus
and then he would call himself
Vicarius Filii Dei
whcih means
*INSTEAD of God, ME!"

And he would teach Millions to always
break the commandments
and FORGET the day of God
and worship on his day of the sun instead
teaching everyone to break Gods commandments
like he had pwoer to change them
he doesn;t
he has no power at all in heaven and on earth.
Except the power to lie

and he would put his vicarius filli Dei mark on every artivcle to be bought or sold on the planet
so when you buy them you have to worship him
because he says he is God of this earth

2 Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2 Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
2 Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2 Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2 Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2 Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2 Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Notice he has MIRACLES
and LYING WONDERS

know any churches that over the last 1600 years
claims to have miracles?
bleeding stautes?
Bleeding pictures?
artifacts, and bones of the apostles?

yeah it is the MAN of SIN who lives in a temple

they liked paul until one day some bored Jesuit actually read the Bible
and they said
OH WOW
he is talking bad about us!

ok he cant be an apostle!

Ignore them
ignore the man of sin
accept the man of Love
accept the man of sinlessness
Jesus!thrown the vicarius in the trash
it is only
Filii Dei!
the Son of God only!
throw the RFID in the trash
with it yo will be worshipping 666
 
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Ok, no answer.....from Pink.........so I don't know how to respond/discuss.........oh well........

at the risk of misunderstanding Pink, does anyone else know who the "NEW MAN" is Pink was referring to?
There's a single occurrence of "new man" in the KJV.

Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
 
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LovePink

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// There were more than 12 apostles.//

Yeah, Danschance, I never said there wasn't.

I never even said Paul wasn't an apostle for that matter. All over the place people have been wildly reactionary, inserting and reaching conclusions of interesting proportions. I expect it, because I have been there myself. Why do you think we read of the 12 apostles, even 11 but never a number 14, 19, 21? Honest question, then maybe we can see why Paul was disqualified to replace Judas, instead of trying so hard not to see it.
 
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I've skimmed through this whole thread and still have no clear picture of what LovePink believes........

First we should establish clearly the answers to these questions:

1. WHAT qualities do you believe Paul is lacking that would disqualify him to be an apostle of Christ?

2. Even though Paul is lacking those qualities do you believe Jesus made him an apostle anyway or do you deny Paul's apostleship?

None of her statements have really said one way or the other.

the OP simply states that Paul is different than Peter. Paul was sent to the Gentiles, while Peter preached the Jews. Paul has said they are both ONE body in Christ. Most people would acknowledge their ministries/ duties are different.

However both Paul and Peter were called apostles in Christ.

I'm just going to leave some Bible verses that affirm Paul's qualifications and Peter's endorsement of Paul, then go read a few more threads to try and figure out what LovePink's stance is................

[h=3]2 Peter 3:14-16[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]14 [/SUP]Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; [SUP]15 [/SUP]and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, [SUP]16 [/SUP]as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.


[h=3]1 Corinthians 9[/h]

9 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? [SUP]2 [/SUP]If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.


[h=3]Philippians 3:4-6[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: [SUP]5 [/SUP]circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; [SUP]6 [/SUP]concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

Paul was as qualified as any of Jesus other apostles concerning the law or his blood lines.

Therefore I'm unsure why you would believe the statement you place in your title and none of your posts really explain or support the statement that
"Paul was not qualified to be an apostle "

do you really believe that statement or where you just trying to catch people's attention?




 
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God forces no one
you may die if you so choose.

It isnt the law you hate
it is the fact that sunday is sinning
and you have to invent something to get rid of that fact.

Paul kept the Sabbath

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

They dont like the truth.

Paul was a true teacher

he said NO MORE Preists except for Jesus
(this is why the Jews killed him)
and he kept the Sabbath (this is not why the Jews killed him)

obviously the law of sacrifices is completed and fulfilled but the ten commanments are eternal

Just before Jesus comes
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

You can be there TOO!
you can come out the the man of sin's false Pagan babylonian sun god worship too
It was invented in 321 AD by the man of sin
His church invented it
they admit it.


Jesus' grace is sufficient for you too.
 
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// Originally Posted by*p_rehbein*Ok, no answer.....from Pink.........so I don't know how to respond/discuss.........oh well........at the risk of misunderstanding Pink, does anyone else know who the "NEW MAN" is Pink was referring to?//

I thought you were joking, sorry.


// There's a single occurrence of "new man" in the KJV.//

No, there is not.
 

p_rehbein

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There's a single occurrence of "new man" in the KJV.

Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
yeah, but I betcha this isn't what she is referring to..........I bet it's the one that was added to the 11 by casting lots......maybe she will explain eventually...........hey, it could happen!
 

p_rehbein

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// There were more than 12 apostles.//

Yeah, Danschance, I never said there wasn't.

I never even said Paul wasn't an apostle for that matter. All over the place people have been wildly reactionary, inserting and reaching conclusions of interesting proportions. I expect it, because I have been there myself. Why do you think we read of the 12 apostles, even 11 but never a number 14, 19, 21? Honest question, then maybe we can see why Paul was disqualified to replace Judas, instead of trying so hard not to see it.
Paul wasn't a "replacement" for Judas............where in the world did you get that idea? He was never intended to be the replacement for Judas..............goodness........
 

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// Originally Posted by*p_rehbein*Ok, no answer.....from Pink.........so I don't know how to respond/discuss.........oh well........at the risk of misunderstanding Pink, does anyone else know who the "NEW MAN" is Pink was referring to?//

I thought you were joking, sorry.


// There's a single occurrence of "new man" in the KJV.//

No, there is not.
Quite serious, and you still did not explain who this "new man" is that you refer to...........??????
 
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Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.


You should learn to study the word

applying circums=cision and Gods law doesnt work except if you wnat to decieve people

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


Do youhave the testimony of Christ?
The Bible?
Read it and pray

dont use it to decieve
misapplying a Jewish ritual to try and remove the commandments which are immutable.

"That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments:" Psalms 78:7


"If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;" Psalms 89:31


"To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them." Psalms 103:18


"Bless the LORD, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word." Psalms 103:20


"The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure." Psalms 111:7


"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever." Psalms 111:10


"Praise ye the LORD. Blessed is the man that feareth the LORD, that delighteth greatly in his commandments." Psalms 112:1


"Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments." Psalms 119:6


"With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments." Psalms 119:10


"I am a stranger in the earth: hide not thy commandments from me." Psalms 119:19


"Thou hast rebuked the proud that are cursed, which do err from thy commandments." Psalms 119:21


"I will run the way of thy commandments, when thou shalt enlarge my heart." Psalms 119:32


"Make me to go in the path of thy commandments; for therein do I delight." Psalms 119:35


"And I will delight myself in thy commandments, which I have loved." Psalms 119:47


"My hands also will I lift up unto thy commandments, which I have loved; and I will meditate in thy statutes." Psalms 119:48


"I made haste, and delayed not to keep thy commandments." Psalms 119:60


"Teach me good judgment and knowledge: for I have believed thy commandments." Psalms 119:66


"JOD. Thy hands have made me and fashioned me: give me understanding, that I may learn thy commandments." Psalms 119:73


"All thy commandments are faithful: they persecute me wrongfully; help thou me." Psalms 119:86


"Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me." Psalms 119:98


"Depart from me, ye evildoers: for I will keep the commandments of my God." Psalms 119:115


"Therefore I love thy commandments above gold; yea, above fine gold." Psalms 119:127


"I opened my mouth, and panted: for I longed for thy commandments." Psalms 119:131


"Trouble and anguish have taken hold on me: yet thy commandments are my delights." Psalms 119:143


"Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth." Psalms 119:151


"LORD, I have hoped for thy salvation, and done thy commandments." Psalms 119:166


"My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness." Psalms 119:172


"I have gone astray like a lost sheep; seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments." Psalms 119:176
 
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Folks wake up. The OP started with a provocative title, but has added absolutely nothing but confusion to this discussion. It appears that your responses are simply providing her entertainment.
 

p_rehbein

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// There were more than 12 apostles.//

Yeah, Danschance, I never said there wasn't.

I never even said Paul wasn't an apostle for that matter. All over the place people have been wildly reactionary, inserting and reaching conclusions of interesting proportions. I expect it, because I have been there myself. Why do you think we read of the 12 apostles, even 11 but never a number 14, 19, 21? Honest question, then maybe we can see why Paul was disqualified to replace Judas, instead of trying so hard not to see it.
Not for nothing, but it COULD BE because you have yet to be "clear" about anything in your comments........and the assertion of "wildly reactionary" is a bit of an overstatement............one could almost say it was wildly reactionary...........
 
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My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness." Psalms 119:172

Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness (commandment keeping in love) by faith.
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Gal 5:7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
 

p_rehbein

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Folks wake up. The OP started with a provocative title, but has added absolutely nothing but confusion to this discussion. It appears that your responses are simply providing her entertainment.
Hey, I hope she is enjoying herself....................CAUSE I SURE AM...........goodness this is better 'n' any sitcom on TV today!
 
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Why do you think we read of the 12 apostles, even 11 but never a number 14, 19, 21? Honest question, then maybe we can see why Paul was disqualified to replace Judas, instead of trying so hard not to see it.
12 apostles: one to minister to each of the lost tribes of Israel. However, God sent more to the other people in the world. He commission all His disciples to preach His Gospel to the world. Peter had his vision concerning it and Jesus continued to teach His disciples and apostles about what Scripture really meant even after He ascended into heaven. How there is only ONE root and all branches are growing from Him both grafted and natural.

Paul didn't replace Judas. Acts 1 says the apostles choose "Matthias. And he was numbered with the eleven apostles."


The purpose of the apostleship was to be a witness to Jesus resurrection: Acts 1 v. 22,

which Paul did witness upon the road. He was able to say Jesus is NOT dead but Alive. He became "a witness with us(the apostles) of His resurrection"

He might not have walked with Jesus while He was physically there but Paul was lead by the Holy Spirit to be an apostle.

do you think Apostleship an honor to be sought or do you recognize it as a duty that requires much labor and sacrifice?

Luke 17
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the apostles said to the Lord, “Increase our faith.”
[SUP]6 [/SUP]So the Lord said, “If you have faith as a mustard seed, you can say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be pulled up by the roots and be planted in the sea,’ and it would obey you. [SUP]7 [/SUP]And which of you, having a servant plowing or tending sheep, will say to him when he has come in from the field, ‘Come at once and sit down to eat’? [SUP]8 [/SUP]But will he not rather say to him, ‘Prepare something for my supper, and gird yourself and serve me till I have eaten and drunk, and afterward you will eat and drink’? [SUP]9 [/SUP]Does he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I think not.[SUP][c][/SUP] [SUP]10 [/SUP]So likewise you, when you have done all those things which you are commanded, say, ‘We are unprofitable servants. We have done what was our duty to do.’
1 Corinthians 4
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For I think that God has displayed us, the apostles, last, as men condemned to death; for we have been made a spectacle to the world, both to angels and to men. [SUP]10 [/SUP]We are fools for Christ’s sake, but you are wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are distinguished, but we are dishonored! [SUP]11 [/SUP]To the present hour we both hunger and thirst, and we are poorly clothed, and beaten, and homeless. [SUP]12 [/SUP]And we labor, working with our own hands. Being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we endure; [SUP]13 [/SUP]being defamed, we entreat. We have been made as the filth of the world, the offscouring of all things until now.
 
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Peter the Apostle told us to read and follow all of Pauls writings

2 Pet 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2 Pet 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2 Pet 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

Peter says
STUDY PAULS WRITINGS OR YOU WILL FALL FROM THE FAITH