please help with the correct order of these prophecies 1,2,ect.
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some say that we will not be here because we will be ruptured already so the mark,number,name worship of the beast wont matter to us. then again it is also written that none can proceed those who were beheaded for their testimony,that is they are raised first.,,,,so those who are killed for not worshiping the image,doesn't this mean they must be killed first?,,,that is as long as there are Christians still on earth that will during the times of the two horned beast "still be killed",,,then aren't they part of the first resurrection?
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Going off on Only the scriptures you gave, Satan ( the dragon is there in Rev 13 playing the role of the lamb ) Paul says this will happen first in
II Thess 2, before Christ returns.
1 Cor.15:52 ; 1 Thess.4:13-16 are simply describing Christ return at the Last Trump. The last trump is a give away. When it says last, trump, that means Christ return : Revelation 11 ( the seventh. is the last )
Satan is locked up after his deception, and after the Seventh sounds, and Christ is here. He is let loose a short season , then the Judgment, and on into the eternity .
Going off on Only the scriptures you gave, Satan ( the dragon is there in Rev 13 playing the role of the lamb ) Paul says this will happen first in
II Thess 2, before Christ returns.
1 Cor.15:52 ; 1 Thess.4:13-16 are simply describing Christ return at the Last Trump. The last trump is a give away. When it says last, trump, that means Christ return : Revelation 11 ( the seventh. is the last )
Satan is locked up after his deception, and after the Seventh sounds, and Christ is here. He is let loose a short season , then the Judgment, and on into the eternity .
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i don't have speakers,camera ect. so Ive never used the chat room, but thanks for the offer. i do agree with your approach on the matter. there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding as to the rapture,changing in an instant ect.(so many threads on the matter),,,so i thought it well to approach it i little different,that is many say about the mark,image ect. that they at that time will already be ruptured,,but not considering they cannot be ruptured until all of those who are slain for their testimony are in fact slain, so they see themselves being caught up in the wrong time frame,,,thanks for your response though,
yes this is the same scripture that was given in post #6,,so going by that and Paul stating that we cannot come before(prevent) in 1thess 4;15, Strong's Number 5348 Greek Dictionary of the New Testament Online Bible with Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, Thayer's Lexicon, Etymology, Translations Definitions Meanings & Key Word Studies - Lexiconcordance.com and then Paul giving the set order of these events in 1cor. 15;23 draws me also to conclude that before we are (ruptured,caught up, changed) then the mark of the beast,his image man of sin ect. must first be in the earth.,,,,
now many state that we will not be in the earth when the mark is imposed and the man of sin is present that is they teach that we will be ruptured beforehand so i thought to ask also those who believe in this manner to provide scriptures supporting being "caught up changed before hand" to support their reasoning,,,
now many state that we will not be in the earth when the mark is imposed and the man of sin is present that is they teach that we will be ruptured beforehand so i thought to ask also those who believe in this manner to provide scriptures supporting being "caught up changed before hand" to support their reasoning,,,