Please judge this.

[shotgunner]

The following is a revelation I believe I received from the Holy Spirit. It's not in scripture but I would like some of you to comment and tell me what you think. This is just a thought for personal edification, not for my edification but anyone who receives it and can benefit from it. It is not a teachable doctrine nor is it meant to be.


John 2:1-11King James Version (KJV)2 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.

The Holy Spirit showed me that this was the first miracle of Jesus because it symbolized all he was to accomplish. Jesus took the water that was meant for ritual washing and turned it into wine. Wine here is a representation of the Holy Spirit. Jesus in effect changed the outward purification by works into an inward purification by consuming and becoming one with the Spirit, just as the communion wine is a representation of drinking his blood, becoming one with him.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

I've had similar thoughts before, but why does the wine in one place represent the Spirit and in another place Christ's blood? I've personally considered that the wine represents Christ's blood in both instances and that He was preparing the people for a transition from a ritualistic purification by water to an actual cleansing by His blood. Like you, I'm not pushing this as doctrine. I'm just sharing one of my own considerations.

 

[shotgunner]

I've had similar thoughts before, but why does the wine in one place represent the Spirit and in another place Christ's blood? I've personally considered that the wine represents Christ's blood in both instances and that He was preparing the people for a transition from a ritualistic purification by water to an actual cleansing by His blood. Like you, I'm not pushing this as doctrine. I'm just sharing one of my own considerations.

I like that and it seems we are thinking along the same lines.

 

[just-me]

I've had similar thoughts before, but why does the wine in one place represent the Spirit and in another place Christ's blood? I've personally considered that the wine represents Christ's blood in both instances and that He was preparing the people for a transition from a ritualistic purification by water to an actual cleansing by His blood. Like you, I'm not pushing this as doctrine. I'm just sharing one of my own considerations.

Wine actually represents God's word. It's the contents of the covenant. The anointing oil is the Holy Spirit. Olive oil was for the lamps (menorah). It all comes together when we study the OT and put it together with the NT

 

[JesusistheChrist]

I like that and it seems we are thinking along the same lines.

It does. I just can't imagine that there's no significance to the fact that the waterpots used to be used for the purification of the Jews.

 

[just-me]

It does. I just can't imagine that there's no significance to the fact that the waterpots used to be used for the purification of the Jews.

John Baptized with water, but Jesus baptizes with fire and Spirit.

 

[shotgunner]

It does. I just can't imagine that there's no significance to the fact that the waterpots used to be used for the purification of the Jews.

That was a key for me as well.

 

[Magenta]

I have thought along the same lines: that water used for purification in the old system was turned into wine, which is then the symbol for Jesus' blood which cleanses us in the new covenant.

Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."

"This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me."

 

[pwrnJC]

Uh...nowhere do I understand that the wine in this first miracle of JESUS represents the Holy SPIRIT. That is just Your ASSUMPTION only !!!!! The beauty of this first recorded miracle of JESUS is that HE met the immediate need of the moment, completely, no denying, overflowing, no hesitation, no holding back. Do not try to over annalize this or complicate it. Allow the simplicity of GOD to shine through for once! This has nothing to do with communion at all.
We do not know for absolute certainty if the water pots had any used or pure water in them at that moment. We do NOT know if water was even in them at all, before being told to fill them to the rim. We don't even know if those particular water pots were sitting there for purification usage or simply to have plenty of a water supply for thirsty guests, animals, children, or what. I could venture to proclaim that mankind in general, are like those empty, well used vessels just sitting there, ready and waiting to become filled when JESUS comes onto the scene.
Sheesh....there I go...annalizing this to death! lol

 

[BarlyGurl]

It is good Shotgun... thank you for sharing your experience of personal revelation and deeper intimacy in Him.

 

[Karraster]

Studying the recorded miracles of Messiah opened my eyes to many truths. For one, nowhere will you find instructions in Torah concerning the washing of hands, that was a Pharisee law. With every miracle Messiah was in their face, breaking their man made laws and upholding Father's instructions. When you research the Takanot and Maasim of the Pharisees, you will find the test concerning ritual purification water..that it not have the slightest taste of wine..and so that Messiah made wine in those purification pots? ..well, in addition to being our Savior, He is a pretty cool dude.

 

[phil112]

I find it quite intriguing that God has waited for 2000 years to reveal the meaning of some of His word.
The OP, like some others, is very special that he has found enough favor in God's eyes for Him to entrust a you with a revelation of some importance.
Think about it - He waited a long time for you to get here. That's pretty special when you consider how many men He passed over while waiting, and how many people had to be kept in the dark because He hadn't found someone worthy of such an honor.

 

[Magenta]

The beauty of this first recorded miracle of JESUS is that HE met the immediate need of the moment, completely, no denying, overflowing, no hesitation, no holding back.

On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus’ mother was there, and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. When the wine was gone, Jesus’ mother said to him, “They have no more wine.” “Woman, why do you involve me?” Jesus replied. “My hour has not yet come.” John 2:1-4

We don't even know if those particular water pots were sitting there for purification usage or simply to have plenty of a water supply for thirsty guests, animals, children, or what.

Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing.... John 2:6

 

[Angela53510]

Sorry, this is eisegesis of the worst sort. It was a real event! It was not a parable nor a metaphor nor a simile.

When you start making Biblical events into allegory, you have slipped back into pattern used by the early church fathers, including Augustine.

Even if this wild hypothesis was true, it is not in the text. You are linking A and Q and H and X and D and then saying it means something over and above the text. When Jesus talked in parables, he generally explained the text to his disciples. He did not explain this, so that means it needs to be taken at face value.

Stick to reading your Bibles and God will teach you, instead of reading into the text something that is not there.

"6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge;" Hosea 4:6a

 

[JesusistheChrist]

Sorry, this is eisegesis of the worst sort. It was a real event! It was not a parable nor a metaphor nor a simile.

When you start making Biblical events into allegory, you have slipped back into pattern used by the early church fathers, including Augustine.

Even if this wild hypothesis was true, it is not in the text. You are linking A and Q and H and X and D and then saying it means something over and above the text. When Jesus talked in parables, he generally explained the text to his disciples. He did not explain this, so that means it needs to be taken at face value.

Stick to reading your Bibles and God will teach you, instead of reading into the text something that is not there.

"6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge;" Hosea 4:6a

No disrespect intended, but I'd hardly call this eisegesis of the worst sort and I doubt that anybody is even suggesting that this wasn't a real event. At worst, some of us are merely considering the possibility that the water pots which were used for ritualistic purification are mentioned in the text for a reason. Obviously, of course, they were mentioned as the source of water, but there may be more to it than that. It's not a big deal either way for me personally, but I must confess that every time that I read that account I just get the impression that there's more to the account than what I'm presently seeing. That's about it at my end.

 

[Budman]

The following is a revelation I believe I received from the Holy Spirit. It's not in scripture but...

I stopped reading after that.

 

[dcontroversal]

If it was a sign from Jesus he would have spontaneously preformed the miracle.....instead he was prompted by his mother and under the law he had to honor her request<---honor and obey your parents....nothing more, nothing less in my view.......and verse 4 tells me it was nothing more than what I just stated......he was not interested in doing it!

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

If it was a sign from Jesus he would have spontaneously preformed the miracle.....instead he was prompted by his mother and under the law he had to honor her request<---honor and obey your parents....nothing more, nothing less in my view.......and verse 4 tells me it was nothing more than what I just stated......he was not interested in doing it!

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.

Could be.

The keeping of the best wine until now part has also caused me to consider that there might be something more here.

 

[BarlyGurl]

This is a great thread.... for exposing the many who have great bible understanding and LOW or NO personal intimacy with the author.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

This is a great thread.... for exposing the many who have great bible understanding and LOW or NO personal intimacy with the author.

Yikes!

That sounded like a shot.

lol.