Political Correctness

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Is it reasonable to ask people to not use certain words?

Is it supported by scripture? Proverbs 16:24 Pleasant words are a honeycomb, sweet to the soul and healing to the bones.

Is it a threat to free speech?

Is it a political or religious issue or neither?
 
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Your question reminds me of this Scripture:

Do not give dogs what is holy; and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under foot and turn to attack you. Matt 7:6 RSV

Asking some people not to use profanity would be fruitless. In other situations it might be constructive. I ignore vile language when I hear it.
 
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speaking of political correctness and not cussing...

scripture does say to avoid offenses.

At the same time the level of political correctness in some ways is too far. Those who are for it to the extreme are busy bodies who have nothing better to do than try to restrain the wonderful and diverse english language.

In australia we don't formerlly or officilliay have free speech in our constitution, like in the american sense. Then again australians are some of the most politically incorrect people... to the outsider it appears racist or homophobic or anti-feminist. That's why all the feminists leave Australia and move to Britain.

I'm a firm believer in that political correctness is only for politicians. When we have rules about , and worse actually enforce, political correctness for general citizens we become no better than the Taliban.
 
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I am probably the most politically INcorrect person here. Although I don't try to offend anyone; I refuse to dance around the truth. I would rather tell the truth and risk offending than tell some "politically correct" fib and have to live with a deliberate lie on my concience.

Of course, I was brought up with the saying: "Honesty is the best policy"
And there's the commandment: "Thou shall not bear false wiitness against thy neighbor" Which to me means: Don't lie.
 
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I am probably the most politically INcorrect person here. Although I don't try to offend anyone; I refuse to dance around the truth. I would rather tell the truth and risk offending than tell some "politically correct" fib and have to live with a deliberate lie on my concience.

Of course, I was brought up with the saying: "Honesty is the best policy"
And there's the commandment: "Thou shall not bear false wiitness against thy neighbor" Which to me means: Don't lie.
Curious as to what kind of stuff you say that is considered politically incorrect. You could PM me if you would like if it is innappropriate.... although that could go against what we are talking about here lol!
 

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For me, political correctness is a bad word. Too often such as this simply leads to more frustration.
But I always agrre we cantry to be kind.
Smiles and God bless, pickles
 
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we find expletives in the old testament and the new testament


the first recorded word of the first man was an expletive
 
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Your question reminds me of this Scripture:

Do not give dogs what is holy; and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under foot and turn to attack you. Matt 7:6 RSV

Asking some people not to use profanity would be fruitless. In other situations it might be constructive. I ignore vile language when I hear it.


Actually, I think the use of profanity has because much more acceptable in common conversation then it used to be – therefore, there had to be a period of time when people successfully did not swear in public.

Rather than swearing, I am thinking more about the regulation of racial and gender terms – or negative use of religious terms.
 
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speaking of political correctness and not cussing...

scripture does say to avoid offenses.


Indeed.

At the same time the level of political correctness in some ways is too far. Those who are for it to the extreme are busy bodies who have nothing better to do than try to restrain the wonderful and diverse English language.


Give me an example of a busy body who is too into political correctness.

In Australia we don't formerly or officially have free speech in our constitution, like in the American sense. Then again Australians are some of the most politically incorrect people... to the outsider it appears racist or homophobic or anti-feminist. That's why all the feminists leave Australia and move to Britain.


What do you think about this?

I'm a firm believer in that political correctness is only for politicians. When we have rules about, and worse actually enforce, political correctness for general citizens we become no better than the Taliban.


[FONT=&quot]I am not agreeing or disagreeing with you, but tell me how enforcing a ban on racial, anti-gay, anti-gender language in politic ‘no better than the Taliban.[/FONT]
 
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I am probably the most politically INcorrect person here. Although I don't try to offend anyone; I refuse to dance around the truth. I would rather tell the truth and risk offending than tell some "politically correct" fib and have to live with a deliberate lie on my conscience.

Wow, if those were my only two options, I am not sure what I would do….

Of course, I was brought up with the saying: "Honesty is the best policy"
And there's the commandment: "Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor" Which to me means: Don't lie.

Interesting! So you equate political correctness with lying? Give me an example.

Seems to me there is a difference between using a racial slur and telling the truth.
 
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Is it reasonable to ask people to not use certain words?

Is it supported by scripture? Proverbs 16:24 Pleasant words are a honeycomb, sweet to the soul and healing to the bones.

Is it a threat to free speech?

Is it a political or religious issue or neither?
Americans should have freedom of speech, but should still speak pleasantly or at least neutrally of others. Obama is possibly an impostor and not a legitimate President nor a Christian. When I say such a thing about this individual I am speaking neutrally of him because there is nothing particularly pleasant about him that would conform to the truth.
 
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Give me an example of a busy body who is too into political correctness.


They are around, on TV, everywhere. But a good example ofpolitical correctness gone mad is when muslims overeacted with violence to that danish cartoonist drawing the prophet mohammed.

What do you think about this?


I love it. Australia - the only country in the world which truly has free speech. And if people don't like it they can leave.


[FONT="]I am not agreeing or disagreeing with you, but tell me how enforcing a ban on racial, anti-gay, anti-gender language in politic ‘no better than the Taliban.[/FONT]
I said for the general population. I believe political correctness is only for politicians and diplomats. While the US and other countries have probably been overun by the politically correct police, most other countries in the world like China are still straight talkers. If they ban using anti gender language I'd expect them also to bad cussing in the street. But as our prime minister says the sh and f words I can't see that happening here.
 
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Political correctness is so convoluted and subective it's not even funny. For example, the PC for a person with "black" skin is African American. Well, what do I do if it's a black person living in England whose ancestery is jamaican? I could easily offend someone who is NOT an American or of African descent.

As for words, words do have power because we give them power, they have meaning because we give them meaning. The word gay no longer means what it did 40 years ago, it really doesn't even mean what it meant 10 years ago. When my mom grew up, gay meant happy, when I grew up it ment homosexual, and now my little brother uses it to mean something is stupid.

Curse words are extremely subjective. For example, in my house, saying "crap" got you a slap in the mouth. In one of my classrooms, saying something "sucked" or saying "freaking" or "jeesh" were all punishable by detention, and in the job my husband has, the f* word is considered a necessary foundation for every single sentence. Who is right? Who is wrong? Should I be offended that my husband says the f* word because he was brought up that it's just a word that adds significant impact to a sentence especially since I grew up in a household where it was considered an extremely foul thing to say? It depends on the audience whether its offensive or not, and how am I supposed to know what's going to offend every single person in the room?

We can't make everyone happy. And people shouldn't expect you to know what offends them and what doesn't. We aren't telepaths. There are some things that we KNOW are going to be offensive. I don't think anybody should use derogatory or curse words when speaking in anger towards someone else. Intentionally using "harsh" language with the purpose to offend or hurt someone is not treating them with love. But if someone types "lmao" I don't see why we'd need to get up in arms about it.
 
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Can you elaborate a little?
the first recorded word of the first man was 'ZOTH'

this can best be rendered in english as 'wow'

he said it when the Holy Spirit presented the woman to the man

1 Cor 15:8And last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.

I have been told that the use of the word BY here is a use of expleteive but I am not sure
 
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Americans should have freedom of speech, but should still speak pleasantly or at least neutrally of others. Obama is possibly an impostor and not a legitimate President nor a Christian. When I say such a thing about this individual I am speaking neutrally of him because there is nothing particularly pleasant about him that would conform to the truth.

The constitution does give Americans the freedom to speak without criminal prosecution. I believe the founding fathers were trying to open the door for free press. On the other hand, I do not believe free speech protects us from the social consequences of breaking established or emerging norms. So, since social norms have changed in regard to using racial slurs, although I do not believe in enforcing fines or jail time, I do support negative peer pressure as long as it remains within the boundaries of the law.

I see what you are saying about speaking pleasantly or neutrally, but I am not sure how you can classify words like ‘imposter’, ‘not legitimate’, nothing particularly pleasant about him’, and ‘not Christian’ as neutral. The words and phrases you have chosen seem to speak more to your political views, rather than how many Americans (and Obama, himself) would describe the President. The rule of thumb for me it to refer to a person or group in the manner they choose describe themselves; if this conflicts with my opinion, I may question how I reached the conclusions I did.
 
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Give me an example of a busy body who is too into political correctness.


They are around, on TV, everywhere.


I am not saying that you are wrong – but give me an example or make one up, that shows a TV personality being politically correct; and tell me why it bothers you.

But a good example of political correctness gone mad is when Muslims overreacted with violence to that Danish cartoonist drawing the prophet Mohammed.

I assume that you a saying that you did not like the Muslim reaction to the Danish cartoon – a cartoon that was viewed as political insensitive. Yeah, violence is never acceptable; how would you respond to a cartoon that disrespected Jesus?

I love it. Australia - the only country in the world which truly has free speech. And if people don't like it they can leave.


So, how is hurtful language handled? Do people simply let it roll of their backs when they are insulted? I do tend to have less problems with unfiltered language in countries that outlaw guns.
I said for the general population.

Yeah, you are right.

I believe political correctness is only for politicians and diplomats.

What about public forms? Federal institutions? Academia?

While the US and other countries have probably been overrun by the politically correct police, most other countries in the world like China are still straight talkers.

I am not sure about that. I think using unfiltered language is an attempt to stick out or be heard – the result is usually a move towards individualism; which goes against the Asian mindset of fitting in and not drawing attention to themselves.


If they ban using anti gender language I'd expect them also to bad cussing in the street. But as our prime minister says the sh and f words I can't see that happening here.

Yeah, I do not fear the slippery slope conservative like to warn everyone about.
 
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Political correctness is so convoluted and subjective it's not even funny. For example, the PC for a person with "black" skin is African American. Well, what do I do if it's a black person living in England whose ancestry is Jamaican? I could easily offend someone who is NOT an American or of African descent.

I can see your frustration. I think we have to accept that we are going to offend people sometimes, but we should also do our best not to and apologize when we do. I usually do not refer to people by their race, skin color, ethnicity, region or gender; instead I try to call them and introduce them by their name.

As for words, words do have power because we give them power, they have meaning because we give them meaning. The word gay no longer means what it did 40 years ago; it really doesn't even mean what it meant 10 years ago. When my mom grew up, gay meant happy, when I grew up it meant homosexual, and now my little brother uses it to mean something is stupid.

Your point about the word gay is interesting – the first thing I wanted to say was “well, language is dynamic”; then I realized that I have the same frustration about the word ‘religion’ – ha!

I guess if I was really fond of the word gay, I would use it to mean happiness. I doubt any homosexual person would be offended if the word was used to mean happy. Now, I would not approach someone and tell them they look gay – but I usually avoid approaching people and labeling them with any emotional state.

Curse words are extremely subjective. For example, in my house, saying "crap" got you a slap in the mouth. In one of my classrooms, saying something "sucked" or saying "freaking" or "jeesh" were all punishable by detention, and in the job my husband has, the f* word is considered a necessary foundation for every single sentence. Who is right? Who is wrong?

Usually, the culture defines language norms – I am speaking to myself as much as to you. I am really starting to think that the word religion should be defined by the culture. Catholics do the same thing when they Christianize terms. Hmmm……this is the second time I have reversed my opinion in the same day because of posting on this board – that is kind of exciting!

Should I be offended that my husband says the f* word because he was brought up that it's just a word that adds significant impact to a sentence especially since I grew up in a household where it was considered an extremely foul thing to say? It depends on the audience whether its offensive or not, and how am I supposed to know what's going to offend every single person in the room?

Well, understanding the culture you are immersing yourself into really helps. It sounds like the “F” word does bother you. Have you talked to your husband about it?

We can't make everyone happy. And people shouldn't expect you to know what offends them and what doesn't. We aren't telepaths.

True. However, as our communities become more diverse, I think it is important to learn as much as we can about each other. Once again, we are going to offend each other from time to time, but the offended response from people is usually connected to the oblivious nature of the person using the offensive language and their defensive attitude when corrected.

There are some things that we KNOW are going to be offensive. I don't think anybody should use derogatory or curse words when speaking in anger towards someone else. Intentionally using "harsh" language with the purpose to offend or hurt someone is not treating them with love. But if someone types "lmao" I don't see why we'd need to get up in arms about it.

People can be overly sensitive – I agree. Like all sinful behavior we notice in other people, I think the best way handle it is to be is thick-skinned when subjected to it, and use it to root out sin in your own self.

[FONT=&quot]This was a cool post – you really help me to realize that I was not allowing specific groups of Christians to define the word ‘religion’ according to their own values – I really enjoy it when I can see where I have gone wrong – it is only then that I can make adjustments[/FONT]
 
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I am not saying that you are wrong – but give me an example or make one up, that shows a TV personality being politically correct; and tell me why it bothers you.

Sometimes on breakfast TV, they have these trash magazine editors or radio commentators who come on and make a piece about how such and such shouldn't have said or done that. As if they are the moral and politically correct police of our society.



I assume that you a saying that you did not like the Muslim reaction to the Danish cartoon – a cartoon that was viewed as political insensitive. Yeah, violence is never acceptable; how would you respond to a cartoon that disrespected Jesus?
I may laugh, I may be angry, but I don't go to such lengths.


So, how is hurtful language handled? Do people simply let it roll of their backs when they are insulted? I do tend to have less problems with unfiltered language in countries that outlaw guns.

Honestly, I gather that it's part of Australian culture and it doesn't affect us too much. Often I've said things to foreigners and they get offended though. Language is rich with cliche's, ironies etc. The same could be said of English comedy.



I believe political correctness is only for politicians and diplomats.

What about public forms? Federal institutions? Academia?
Federal institutions - probably. Public forus and Academia - no. At one university here, a person once wrote something that portrayed the disabled in fun light. Some were offended, others were not. I find hypocrisy in the way that some want disabled and people who are different, to be part of normal society, but when you treat them as such, you are labelled intolerant or insensitive. I find that all the time. I have been with people from different asian countries, and let me tell you what they say about each other is far from politically correct, perhaps even racist. But if I as a white man use the same type of language , I am called a racist.




I am not sure about that. I think using unfiltered language is an attempt to stick out or be heard – the result is usually a move towards individualism; which goes against the Asian mindset of fitting in and not drawing attention to themselves.

That's true, but on an official level, these countries aren't afraid to speak their mind. Like when China tells Obama he can't meet the Dalai Lama. Hey that rhymes lol.
 
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Is it reasonable to ask people to not use certain words?

Is it supported by scripture? Proverbs 16:24 Pleasant words are a honeycomb, sweet to the soul and healing to the bones.

Is it a threat to free speech?

Is it a political or religious issue or neither?
Don't worry about the words that others use it is however up to you to be a good example for all to see. Otherwise why call yourself a Christian?