Poll: Do "One Taken/Other Left" Verses Refer To Secret Rapture or Second Coming?

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Do "one taken/other left" verses apply to the Secret Rapture or the Second Coming?


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Truth7t7

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yes he is actually referring to verses here they are

Jerusalem will be trodden down by the gentiles till the time of the gentiles is complete."

“And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Says they were cut off but will be grafted back in.

“And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭11:23, 25-26‬ ‭

he’s quoting from these verses . What I was saying was in my opinion , only my opinion , he is missing the context of the chapter around those verses .

so yes indeed he was quoting verses that are in the Bible , it’s just that each verse doesn’t carry a seperate message we need to hear what’s actually being said so we need to take the chapters and paragraphs and let the context and subject matter sink in to what’s being said

he was actually quoting verses I just feel he missed some context , but that’s only my own thought he could be right , just not how I myself looked at it
Once again he didnt quote the actual verse, he was talking about the concept of a bible verse

In forum discussion, you post the Book, Chapter, Verse, and Translation used, this is common courtesy, something not shown.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Once again he didnt quote the actual verse, he was talking about the concept of a bible verse

In forum discussion, you post the Book, Chapter, Verse, and Translation used, this is common courtesy, something not shown.
ahh ok well I heard his quotes and recognized them , showed them to you . I think he was quoting those verses . But this is silly and doesn’t really
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I want to illustrate a few verses here that most of the world seem to mis-interpret.

Starting with Rev2.28


Most of the world thinks this is somehow a promise from Christ, that he will give "himself" to whoever overcomes this world.

I am here to tell you how wrong that idea is and it can be proven using scripture.


notice the verses which proceed.
and remember, these words were from Jesus himself. more to the point, from God himself through Jesus.
Jesus was speaking about the second coming here, as if he were to be a completely different person than himself.



26 And to the one who overcomes and continues in My work until the end, I will give authority over the nations.
(this verse, is only about the second coming himself.
The second coming is the one who will receive authority over the nations.
the ONLY one who would ever receive such a thing)

27 He will rule them with an iron scepter and shatter them like pottery— just as I have received authority from My Father.
(and this verse backs up that idea because its ONLY the second coming who with rule them with an iron sceptre)

28 And I will give him the morning star.… ***
(keep this verse in mind, because what it truly means will shock you)
Just realize, this was a promise from GOD, that he would give the second coming, the morning star.



so to explain what God meant by that verse/ prophecy and promise, lets explore the rest of the prophecies concerning the end times.



Another clue as to whom these verse are truly about, can be found in revelations

Revelation 12:5
And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.
And her child was caught up to God and to His throne.


This child is the second coming of Christ.
The woman is Israel.
A woman with 12 crowns upon her head.

And she is to give birth to a male child, born before a dragon waiting to devour him.


What this dragon represents, is our world itself.
Temptation, Sin and these very times.




1 And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed in the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.


2 She was pregnant and crying out in the pain and agony of giving birth.


3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a huge red dragon with seven heads, ten horns, and seven royal crowns on his heads.…

4 His tail swept a third of the stars from the sky, tossing them to the earth.
And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, ready to devour her child as soon as she gave birth.…

5 And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.
And her child was caught up to God and to His throne.…


so this child is the second coming of Christ.

And him being “caught up to God and his throne”
has everything to do with the end times, and the war the ten horns wage against the lamb


“They” being todays governments.

The ten kings or ten nations/
the ten horns of the beast.


So now lets go to Daniel 7.8
remember this entire thing is about the end times, the end of the world, as we know it, and, the literal, second coming of Christ.
 
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7 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon, Daniel had a dream, and visions passed through his mind as he was lying in bed. He wrote down the substance of his dream.


2 Daniel said: “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me were the four winds of heaven churning up the great sea. 3 Four great beasts, each different from the others, came up out of the sea.


4 “The first was like a lion, and it had the wings of an eagle. I watched until its wings were torn off and it was lifted from the ground so that it stood on two feet like a human being, and the mind of a human was given to it.


5 “And there before me was a second beast, which looked like a bear. It was raised up on one of its sides, and it had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth. It was told, ‘Get up and eat your fill of flesh!’


6 “After that, I looked, and there before me was another beast, one that looked like a leopard. And on its back it had four wings like those of a bird. This beast had four heads, and it was given authority to rule.


7 “After that, in my vision at night I looked, and there before me was a fourth beast—terrifying and frightening and very powerful. It had large iron teeth; it crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left. It was different from all the former beasts, and it had ten horns.


8 “While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another horn, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a human being and a mouth that spoke boastfully.


9 “As I looked,

“thrones were set in place,
and the Ancient of Days took his seat.
His clothing was as white as snow;
the hair of his head was white like wool.
His throne was flaming with fire,
and its wheels were all ablaze.
10 A river of fire was flowing,
coming out from before him.
Thousands upon thousands attended him;
ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him.
The court was seated,
and the books were opened.

11 “Then I continued to watch because of the boastful words the horn was speaking. I kept looking until the beast was slain and its body destroyed and thrown into the blazing fire. 12 (The other beasts had been stripped of their authority, but were allowed to live for a period of time.)



the biggest thing to notice here, is the timing of these events.

and how they coincide with the ten horns of the beast.

This same beast is mentioned in Revelations.
The beast is the same dragon this child is born before.
The dragon waiting to devour him.

and its this child who is set to rule all nations.
Because the child is the second coming of Christ.