Praying in Tongues
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and I did answer that. You clearly did not see it or did not accept the answer. the history of the Church if you would like a a short to the point studied of history the magazine “Christianity today “ started by a Baptist named Billy Graham unless he too does not meet your qualification. Did a good historical studied of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. And the Holy Spirt from Acts to the 1900’s. Please feel free to scoff and mock that Ok.
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I don't have any problem with chapter 22 being the basis of 23 but i want to be sure that i'm getting you correct.
"...do not call anyone on earth your father for one is your Father, He who is in heaven."
Means:
A. The Pharisees and scribes on earth should not call anyone father
B. The people should not call the Pharisees and scribes on earth father
C. No one should call anyone on earth father
Which of the above is correct or within or near the context.
"...do not call anyone on earth your father for one is your Father, He who is in heaven."
Means:
A. The Pharisees and scribes on earth should not call anyone father
B. The people should not call the Pharisees and scribes on earth father
C. No one should call anyone on earth father
Which of the above is correct or within or near the context.
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Well, there are tongues of angels. Plus, interpreting is also a gifting. You hear the message in your spirit, but this is not because of knowing the language. Though there are instances where those say they do. Either way....someone gets the message.
Your mind is your enemy.
I can quote many scriptures to you but am sure this has been done over and over.
Just a question. Do you realize what Adam lost and what he gained?
For this is the problem with the human nature.
the context of who we call father and the context of the systematic range of the word Father, father, and elder, and teacher have to be taken in context to the title meaning.
Matthew 23:9
"And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
the context what Jesus is saying you do not give and earthly men ( Pharisees) the kind of Reverence that God Alone is entitled to.
Father =God: God is called the Father the originator and transmitter of anything The " Creator".
father=man generator or male ancestor what the Pharisees were doing
"one who has infused his own spirit into others, who actuates and governs their minds "
Jesus was saying you do not allow any man to do that BUT GOD
That is why Jesus was teaching this to the disciples and the people. The Pharisees were control freaks as were the scribes.
read what Jesus said and see the context in the meaning:
:3 "All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that to observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Matthew 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
:13 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
the title of father here was the Pharisees wanted to be seen as god yet they were not even worthy to be called father in the lower sense of the word.
Matthew 23:9
"And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
the context what Jesus is saying you do not give and earthly men ( Pharisees) the kind of Reverence that God Alone is entitled to.
Father =God: God is called the Father the originator and transmitter of anything The " Creator".
father=man generator or male ancestor what the Pharisees were doing
"one who has infused his own spirit into others, who actuates and governs their minds "
Jesus was saying you do not allow any man to do that BUT GOD
That is why Jesus was teaching this to the disciples and the people. The Pharisees were control freaks as were the scribes.
read what Jesus said and see the context in the meaning:
:3 "All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that to observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Matthew 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
:13 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
the title of father here was the Pharisees wanted to be seen as god yet they were not even worthy to be called father in the lower sense of the word.
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well if that were the case, the gospel would not have got very far
child baptism does not make one a member of anything but may require a towel...as you appear to state
as an infant I was also baptized as was the want of the Lutheran church...German...but then my parents were saved and when I was 5 I also accepted Jesus as my Savior who died for the remission of my sins
the churches are packed to the rafters with nominal Christians who are no better off than the Catholics they look down on
a Christian is one who follows Christ. living in church life are many hiding the fact they have no personal relationship with the One they say they believe in
If your reference is to Paul's comments in Corinthians, that's textbook hyperbole.
Interpretation can also said to be self-created. It is is a ‘spiritual improv’ of sorts, inspired by one’s deep faith and beliefs.
Interpretations are typically characterized by being inordinately longer than the actual glossic utterance, rather generic and non-specific in nature, and perhaps not surprisingly, open to multiple non-related ‘interpretations’. In other words, have ten interpreters listen to a glossic string and you’ll get ten different (typically unrelated) “interpretations”. In ‘tongues’, ‘The big brown dog is slow’, can also interpreted as ‘The small white cat is quick’. These latter two characteristics do not suggest anything that is divinely inspired. It fails even the most basic tests and criteria that define ‘communication’ itself.
The common come-back to the multiple interpretation issue is that God/the Holy Spirit gives different interpretations to different people. As someone once put it, Pentecostal Darwinism does not exist – there’s no mutation or transformation of one message into several for the sake of justifying an obvious discrepancy. If this were the case, it would completely eradicate the need for ‘tongues’ in the first place.
Interpretation can also said to be self-created. It is is a ‘spiritual improv’ of sorts, inspired by one’s deep faith and beliefs.
Interpretations are typically characterized by being inordinately longer than the actual glossic utterance, rather generic and non-specific in nature, and perhaps not surprisingly, open to multiple non-related ‘interpretations’. In other words, have ten interpreters listen to a glossic string and you’ll get ten different (typically unrelated) “interpretations”. In ‘tongues’, ‘The big brown dog is slow’, can also interpreted as ‘The small white cat is quick’. These latter two characteristics do not suggest anything that is divinely inspired. It fails even the most basic tests and criteria that define ‘communication’ itself.
The common come-back to the multiple interpretation issue is that God/the Holy Spirit gives different interpretations to different people. As someone once put it, Pentecostal Darwinism does not exist – there’s no mutation or transformation of one message into several for the sake of justifying an obvious discrepancy. If this were the case, it would completely eradicate the need for ‘tongues’ in the first place.
No I don't believe that there would be different interpretations. There are those with the gift of discernment and can tell what is of God, and what is of ones' own mind. And yes, that does happen.
Everyone learns if their meetings would be based on the scriptures as Paul taught. He was very patient with new converts and gave instructions on church order and the movements of Holy Spirit.
Suspicion is not a fruit of Holy Spirit. That gets confused with discernment all the time.
There is the natural way....and there is the way of the Spirit. "wind". Can't really describe nor tell it which way it should go.
I hate to say this Mr. Kavik, but I believe you are caught in the knowledge the serpent promised to Adam. And he lost Spirit for all mankind. Until Jesus.
Everyone learns if their meetings would be based on the scriptures as Paul taught. He was very patient with new converts and gave instructions on church order and the movements of Holy Spirit.
Suspicion is not a fruit of Holy Spirit. That gets confused with discernment all the time.
There is the natural way....and there is the way of the Spirit. "wind". Can't really describe nor tell it which way it should go.
I hate to say this Mr. Kavik, but I believe you are caught in the knowledge the serpent promised to Adam. And he lost Spirit for all mankind. Until Jesus.
that is a strawman you listen to one sermon preached and you will get 10 different applications.
an interpretation is not a translation. What is it to be edified? What is it to be comforted? Has the comforting only come to a person in one application? Does edification only happen to a person in one application?
You use yet again human reasoning to explain spitual things. You are trying to nail jello to a wall. Is inspiration from the Holy Spirit applied to the believer one way? You limit God and take away HIS ability to be one's personal Savior and Lord. You do this and then try to make it fit what you know, and close the door on all others.
an interpretation is not a translation. What is it to be edified? What is it to be comforted? Has the comforting only come to a person in one application? Does edification only happen to a person in one application?
You use yet again human reasoning to explain spitual things. You are trying to nail jello to a wall. Is inspiration from the Holy Spirit applied to the believer one way? You limit God and take away HIS ability to be one's personal Savior and Lord. You do this and then try to make it fit what you know, and close the door on all others.
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