Pre-Trib/Mid/Post Trib? We will know for sure (?) in a couple months
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It will happen suddenly, how long did it take for the Nazis to take total control?
It did happen step by step and we are witnessing those steps now in society, the propaganda machine, people being cancelled. But the actual power grab came suddenly.
Bible believing Christians already are as hated as the Jews were, we will suddenly find ourselves outlawed, the bible being declared a hate book.
America
I believe Catholics along with evangelicals are on the NSA list of potential terrorists.
It did happen step by step and we are witnessing those steps now in society, the propaganda machine, people being cancelled. But the actual power grab came suddenly.
Bible believing Christians already are as hated as the Jews were, we will suddenly find ourselves outlawed, the bible being declared a hate book.
America
I believe Catholics along with evangelicals are on the NSA list of potential terrorists.
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Can you clarify what you mean by underground? But I agree 2009 was a different world and its only been about a DECADE
The world is changing fast and not for the better! Europe is being taken over by Islam, tensions between Russia and NATO are high, middle-east has its tensions. The big brother technology is closing in on us.
It really is apocalyptic times!
Are you a post-trib believer?
The world is changing fast and not for the better! Europe is being taken over by Islam, tensions between Russia and NATO are high, middle-east has its tensions. The big brother technology is closing in on us.
It really is apocalyptic times!
Are you a post-trib believer?
We have 3 Church Fathers, 1 direct Disciple of John and 2 indirect [3rd generation Disciples], that all wrote, they were taught and was quoting the Apostles, of the belief that at the 6,000 year Mark from Creation, the Mill Reign would take place. that means, the year 5,993, would actually kick off the 7 year Tribulation.
when we look at these facts ^, it seems like it should be very easy to figure out the 6,000 year Mark.
that is, until we try calculating Adam's 930 years and all his descendants generations back to his creation + 5 days.
but, if we could some how get a real clue about when Adam was created, we possible could guess within...best case....months from that actual date and 5,993 year Mark.
now, to make this even more interesting, the Jews have a Calendar and have Calculated we're at the Year 5,783.
but, there's also a disclaimer to this. in some Calculations, the Sages believe it is possible they are MISSING about 200 years of Hebrew History. if this is true, that puts us in the Jewish Year of 5,983. that would be TEN (10) YEARS from the 5,993 Mark and beginning of the Tribulation, and the 6,000 year Mark would be our YEAR 2040.
but, the Jews nor us really know when Adam was Created. That could even be another possible fluctuation putting us even closer to the 5,993 Mark.
when we look at these facts ^, it seems like it should be very easy to figure out the 6,000 year Mark.
that is, until we try calculating Adam's 930 years and all his descendants generations back to his creation + 5 days.
but, if we could some how get a real clue about when Adam was created, we possible could guess within...best case....months from that actual date and 5,993 year Mark.
now, to make this even more interesting, the Jews have a Calendar and have Calculated we're at the Year 5,783.
but, there's also a disclaimer to this. in some Calculations, the Sages believe it is possible they are MISSING about 200 years of Hebrew History. if this is true, that puts us in the Jewish Year of 5,983. that would be TEN (10) YEARS from the 5,993 Mark and beginning of the Tribulation, and the 6,000 year Mark would be our YEAR 2040.
but, the Jews nor us really know when Adam was Created. That could even be another possible fluctuation putting us even closer to the 5,993 Mark.
Hi Brother Nehemiah6, I had this idea a few years back about a tabernacle instead of a temple, would that fit with end time prophecy?
scriptures about the restoration of israel;
Amo 9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
Amo 9:12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.
Amo 9:13 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.
Amo 9:14 And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them;and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
Amo 9:15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.
I can see a link with Amos as above and Jeremiah 30 about Jacob's trouble corresponding to the 7 year tribulation.
also in revaluations;
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
You know prophecy more than I do so I thought to ask for your opinion. ( I checked and it would fit on temple mount)
Blessings.
We need to see what both Christ and Paul had say.
1. Christ spoke of the Abomination of Desolation being made to stand in "the Holy Place" (Mt 24:15). Only the temple at Jerusalem had the Holy Place, and within that the Holy of Holies. So when the third temple is erected, it will replicate the first and second temples and have a Holy Place.
2. Paul said that the Man of Sin would sit in "the temple of God" claiming to be God (2 Thess 2:4). Now many Christians dispute this and say that Paul should not have called it "the temple of God" since God really has nothing to do with this temple. They simply forget that technically any temple in Jerusalem will be called "the temple of God" since God chose Mount Zion for that temple (whether clean or desecrated). Christ had to drive out the money changers twice from that temple, but it still remained the temple of God.
So the third temple -- in the eyes of unbelieving Jews -- will be "the temple of God", but will in fact be the temple hijacked by the Antichrist. It would appear that this temple will be destroyed by a terrible earthquake in Jerusalem. And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. (Rev 11:14)
I trust that answers your question. A tabernacle would not fit into this prophecy.
1. Christ spoke of the Abomination of Desolation being made to stand in "the Holy Place" (Mt 24:15). Only the temple at Jerusalem had the Holy Place, and within that the Holy of Holies. So when the third temple is erected, it will replicate the first and second temples and have a Holy Place.
2. Paul said that the Man of Sin would sit in "the temple of God" claiming to be God (2 Thess 2:4). Now many Christians dispute this and say that Paul should not have called it "the temple of God" since God really has nothing to do with this temple. They simply forget that technically any temple in Jerusalem will be called "the temple of God" since God chose Mount Zion for that temple (whether clean or desecrated). Christ had to drive out the money changers twice from that temple, but it still remained the temple of God.
So the third temple -- in the eyes of unbelieving Jews -- will be "the temple of God", but will in fact be the temple hijacked by the Antichrist. It would appear that this temple will be destroyed by a terrible earthquake in Jerusalem. And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. (Rev 11:14)
I trust that answers your question. A tabernacle would not fit into this prophecy.
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Hi my brother.. from what I read and understand Caught up does not rely on cause and effect? Lol I don't know.. came to mind. There is nothing written that must take place or caught up will not happen. Christ said He will come back receive us so where He is we will be and Paul that said "we which remain". Paul said we when he was still walking this earth.
We can know the seasons.. and it can happen at any moment I believe. Since no man can prove any different.. I will just do what He said.. watch wait looking up and be ready now. Not putting my faith into what some man that has no more information that anyone else does.
We can know the seasons.. and it can happen at any moment I believe. Since no man can prove any different.. I will just do what He said.. watch wait looking up and be ready now. Not putting my faith into what some man that has no more information that anyone else does.
I had meant to comment on this thread when it first posted... but got busy with other things and couldn't get to it till just now. = )
Is there something in Scripture that leads you to believe that the "confirm the covenant" of Dan9:27 will start in / around "the feast of Trumpets"?
[full disclosure: I'm a pre-tribber... who does not see the "outline" (calendar-schedule supplied in Revelation) to be showing a "feast of Trumpets" time-frame as its starting point, let alone the other plot-points where the MID-Trib and END-trib would then fall (etc), in such a scenario, timing-wise... if that make sense]
Is there something in Scripture that leads you to believe that the "confirm the covenant" of Dan9:27 will start in / around "the feast of Trumpets"?
[full disclosure: I'm a pre-tribber... who does not see the "outline" (calendar-schedule supplied in Revelation) to be showing a "feast of Trumpets" time-frame as its starting point, let alone the other plot-points where the MID-Trib and END-trib would then fall (etc), in such a scenario, timing-wise... if that make sense]
OK GUYS IM JUST FUNN WITH YOU,,,,NO BODY KNOWS WHEN HE COMMING BACK, JUST THE FATHER,
Knowing the day and hour is mentioned several times in scripture. Not knowing the day and hour is connected to present tense for all in the first century, except the Father. Knowing the day/hour in future tense (meaning we will know) is connected to the wise/righteous.
The unrighteous will still not know the day and hour, just like during Noah's flood, and will come for such as a thief in the night for those not in the faith. Jesus said that no man knows the "day and hour" but we will know the season (Matt 24:32-36). He will come as a thief in the night for many, but not for those who are "in the light" (1 Thes 5:4-5)(Rev 3:3).
Revelation 3:3 - Remember, then, what you received and heard. Keep it, and repent. If you will not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come against you.
there is a reason that every verse in which the day/hour/times is stated to not be known is present tense (i.e. Matthew 24:36; Acts 1:7) and every verse that states we will know the day/hour is in future tense (i.e. 1 Thes 5:4 / Rev 3:3, etc.).
Also, the Jesus and Paul are careful to mention the wicked vs the righteous in the same context and how the the wicked will not know the day and hour and the Day of the Lord will come as a thief. While for the righteous WE WILL KNOW THE DAY AND HOUR (at the proper time) and the Day of the Lord WILL NOT come as a thief for us.
It all connects to Daniel 12 in which the timeline is sealed until the time of the end and the righteous/wise will understand and the wicked will not not know.
So, according to the Bible, the day AND hour was not known in the first century, not known now, but WILL be known in the future.
Hi!
Just that Scripture says that there will be a 7 year covenant that will be strengthened, and the SDG summit the UN is holding is a day after the Feast of Trumpets.
I'm not saying that it IS THE covanent, but the words chosen by the UN itself lines up with the Bible...literally they say a 7 year strengething of an existing covenant that was made in 2015.
Again, I'm not saying that this is the covenant spoken about through Daniel the prophet, but whenever I hear of a 7 year covenant in these end times, only a fool would not be interested or at least a little intrigued by it. Excuse my harsh language.
Just that Scripture says that there will be a 7 year covenant that will be strengthened, and the SDG summit the UN is holding is a day after the Feast of Trumpets.
I'm not saying that it IS THE covanent, but the words chosen by the UN itself lines up with the Bible...literally they say a 7 year strengething of an existing covenant that was made in 2015.
Again, I'm not saying that this is the covenant spoken about through Daniel the prophet, but whenever I hear of a 7 year covenant in these end times, only a fool would not be interested or at least a little intrigued by it. Excuse my harsh language.
lol I didnt do any of that. I simply reported FACTS. The UN is holding a meeting a day after the Feast of Trumpets in which they will "strengthen" a "7-year covenant".
Is this not what Daniel the prophet spoke of? It's up to you if you want to be asleep and not at least consider what this could mean. We are in the End days, and if those words (7-year covanant) don't pique your interest then you are pretty much living in the dark. Enjoy the dark my friend! Scripture is clear, we WILL KNOW the time of the end.
Is this not what Daniel the prophet spoke of? It's up to you if you want to be asleep and not at least consider what this could mean. We are in the End days, and if those words (7-year covanant) don't pique your interest then you are pretty much living in the dark. Enjoy the dark my friend! Scripture is clear, we WILL KNOW the time of the end.
Why don't you quote more scripture about actually knowing the times of the end? Why don't you talk about Matthew 16 where Jesus answered and said unto them, "When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red. And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times? "
Here let me help you w/ some more:
Matthew 24:32-33 (KJV): "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors." It says we will KNOW the time is near. and I do know.
Jesus was critical of his generation for their inability to discern the times. Then He also said to the multitudes, “Whenever you see a cloud rising out of the west, immediately you say, ‘A shower is coming’; and so it is. And when you see the south wind blow, you say, ‘There will be hot weather’; and there is. Hypocrites! You can discern the face of the sky and of the earth, but how is it you do not discern this time? Luke 12:54-56
1Thess 5:5:
But you, brothers, are not in the darkness so that this day should overtake you like a thief. 5For you are all sons of the light and sons of the day; we do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6So then, let us not sleep as the others do, but let us remain awake and sober.…
And here's a good one for you, you who slumber in sleep:
"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." -Proverbs 25:2
God WANTS us to search out his mysteries. What do you think the Bible means by conceal? It's prophecy!
Here let me help you w/ some more:
Matthew 24:32-33 (KJV): "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors." It says we will KNOW the time is near. and I do know.
Jesus was critical of his generation for their inability to discern the times. Then He also said to the multitudes, “Whenever you see a cloud rising out of the west, immediately you say, ‘A shower is coming’; and so it is. And when you see the south wind blow, you say, ‘There will be hot weather’; and there is. Hypocrites! You can discern the face of the sky and of the earth, but how is it you do not discern this time? Luke 12:54-56
1Thess 5:5:
But you, brothers, are not in the darkness so that this day should overtake you like a thief. 5For you are all sons of the light and sons of the day; we do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6So then, let us not sleep as the others do, but let us remain awake and sober.…
And here's a good one for you, you who slumber in sleep:
"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." -Proverbs 25:2
God WANTS us to search out his mysteries. What do you think the Bible means by conceal? It's prophecy!
