predestinated to be saved

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[h=3]Jeremiah 1
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1 The words of Jeremiah the son of Hilkiah, of the priests that were in Anathoth in the land of Benjamin:


2 To whom the word of the Lord came in the days of Josiah the son of Amon king of Judah, in the thirteenth year of his reign.


3 It came also in the days of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, unto the end of the eleventh year of Zedekiah the son of Josiah king of Judah, unto the carrying away of Jerusalem captive in the fifth month.


4 Then the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,


5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.


6 Then said I, Ah, Lord God! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child.


7 But the Lord said unto me, Say not, I am a child: for thou shalt go to all that I shall send thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak.


8 Be not afraid of their faces: for I am with thee to deliver thee, saith the Lord.


9 Then the Lord put forth his hand, and touched my mouth. And the Lord said unto me, Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth.


10 See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.


[/h][h=3]Ephesians 1
King James Version (KJV)
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:


2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.


3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:


4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:


5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,


6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.


7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
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Reformedjason

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Amen, we who are Christians are only able to be that way , because of our predestination.
 
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reject-tech

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Passages look to me like they address predestination for election rather than predestination for general salvation.
Words meant for people like Jeremiah, Jesus, John, Paul, and so on.
 
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Boy dainiel, not for nothing, but running through the pages here on the Bible Studies Forum, you surely are "hitting" all the "hot topic" issues in record time!

:)

how in the world do you KEEP CURRENT on the discussions taking place on all of them at the same time?

No, tell me you do not post these, make a comment or two, and then move on to the next........PLUEEZZZE tell me you don't!

:)
 
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God does not go around picking, You will be saved, you won't be. He said whosoever will come.
 
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p_rehbein

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uh, so where is the author of this thread? did he abandon us? aw gee.......
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You don't believe the Gospel !
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No, The gospel is, Whoever calls on the name of the lord, WILL BE SAVED.

it is not, if I chose you ,, you will have no other recourse than to call on me, If I did not call you, you will never recieve me so do not bother.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
No, The gospel is, Whoever calls on the name of the lord, WILL BE SAVED.

it is not, if I chose you ,, you will have no other recourse than to call on me, If I did not call you, you will never recieve me so do not bother.
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How true this is that is quoted above!

Predestined simply means that you will not EVER get to go to heaven because God didn't want you. That, to me, is a robot doing what it is told to do. God gave us a free will that whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved! This is a choice YOU must make. Not a choice God needs to make for you.
 
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svedbygrace

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eternally-gratefull said:
No, The gospel is, Whoever calls on the name of the lord, WILL BE SAVED.

it is not, if I chose you ,, you will have no other recourse than to call on me, If I did not call you, you will never recieve me so do not bother.
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No, the Gospel contains the Truth that God has predestinated some to be saved, and if you reject that, you reject the Gospel !
 
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Saved_Forever

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svedbygrace said:
No, the Gospel contains the Truth that God has predestinated some to be saved, and if you reject that, you reject the Gospel !
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So, God chose you to be saved and the other guy/gal cannot be saved.......because, why?
 
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Kerry

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People get confused between God's for knowledge and predestination. For instance, God saw to it that Pharaoh would become Pharaoh so that He could show His glory. All the time knowing that this was a man who would not believe even though God showed Himself to him. Everyone has a chance and are not predestined, However He knows who will and who won't. It would be unrighteous of God to create people solely for the purpose of hell.
 
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Saved_Forever

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svedbygrace said:
No, the Gospel contains the Truth that God has predestinated some to be saved, and if you reject that, you reject the Gospel !
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Suppose you were not predestined to be saved.......but you really wanted to......but you can't......because you are not predestined?

How would you feel? I will tell you how I would feel. God doesn't love me. I was born NOT TO BE SAVED!!! Then why live? If I'm going to hell anyway, I might as well kill myself!

If this is Christianity, then I want out for I CANNOT EVER love a God that refuses to love his creation!!!!

Besides, Jesus didn't die on the cross for just some specific people. He died on the cross for EVERYBODY!!
 
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djness

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I think there is enough language to support both predestination and free will acceptance in the bible.
[h=3]Ephesians 1[/h]11 In him we were also chosen,[e] having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will,12 in order that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory.13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

I could very well be wrong in my attempt to understand this which I'm readily able to admit but it seems to me with this language some were predestined and some were included upon hearing and accepting.
 
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Kerry

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No one is predestined we all have a choice. Just as the Angels do. The fact that God knows who will and who won't does not mean that we are predestined. The choice is ours.
 
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Kerry said:
No one is predestined we all have a choice. Just as the Angels do. The fact that God knows who will and who won't does not mean that we are predestined. The choice is ours.
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I guess no one is predestinated?

Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Why am I falling into this labrynth?
 
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Kerry

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crossnote said:
I guess no one is predestinated?

Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Why am I falling into this labrynth?
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Crossnote, I thought better of you. You think that God chose you and not brother.No, God knew that you would accept Him and He knows who will not accept Him. Our God goes out of His way to show His righteousness. Why would He fail to be righteous by by choosing this and that. It is Gods will that all should repent to everlasting life or did He lie.
 
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There are Gods seed and the devils seed out here in the world.Gods predestinated seed will become born again and converted at their appointed time and the devils seed do not have the ability to be born again and be converted so they will do the works of their father the devil who was a liar and a murderer of Gods children from the beginning.
If you study the Bible closely you will see the devils seed persecuting Gods seed all the way through.
Notice what God said to the serpent in the garden. Genesis 3:15, “And I will put enmity(a feeling or condition of hostility; hatred; ill will;animosity; antagonism) between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed,
From the time cain killed abel we see the same trend in all Gods children and the prophets that God sent to Israel which were enslaved, persecuted or murdered in different ways.
 
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Kerry

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marrion said:
There are Gods seed and the devils seed out here in the world.Gods predestinated seed will become born again and converted at their appointed time and the devils seed do not have the ability to be born again and be converted so they will do the works of their father the devil who was a liar and a murderer of Gods children from the beginning.
If you study the Bible closely you will see the devils seed persecuting Gods seed all the way through.
Notice what God said to the SERPENT in the garden. Genesis 3:15, “And I will put enmity(a feeling or condition of hostility; hatred; ill will;animosity; antagonism) between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed,
From the time cain killed abel we see the same trend in all Gods children and the prophets that God sent to Israel which were enslaved, persecuted or murdered in different ways.
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God created man and women whose seed was in himself. Can you find good seed. Cain and Abel came from the same seed did they not? It is the choice of the person and has nothing to with seed.
 
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