Predestination; are fates set in some cases?
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It is the number one theological heresy that is not allowed here. Latitude is given on many subjects,
but if someone persists in promoting Jesus-is-not-God and defending that belief, they will be gone,
which is why I let them know it is not allowed, but as stated, generally, they don't care if it's not
allowed and they continue any way. There are other things to talk about.
but if someone persists in promoting Jesus-is-not-God and defending that belief, they will be gone,
which is why I let them know it is not allowed, but as stated, generally, they don't care if it's not
allowed and they continue any way. There are other things to talk about.
There's a song comes to mind by Newsboys "Stand" part says will I leave they way I believe when I'm backed up against the wall. What kind of heart to I have in my chest does it beat for my savior or just for my flesh".
I don't know truly why we tend to rush to the negative. We tend not to bend but to fight and the moment we do that no matter how big or small the battle is no longer His bur ours.
I have posted many times what I never wrote. Oh can't tell you how many times I thought how wonderful it would be if they believed I write like that. Its a fact that you do tend to believe when told over and over something.. spelling, writing, grammar. I'm 60 yet age is not the problem. A wonderful believer not sure if its here but said to me in a post "your hard to follow".
I am just making the hard easy point sometimes a person..me really love the way something was written and quotes it yet has never tried to deceive or lie. So I look at op as he liked what was said how it was said and quoted it.
Its what we do how we ack in the small things that matter so much to the lord. So many of you have no clue no idea what seems to some so simple to you is a nightmare for people like me. Some oh wow such beautiful pictures. So glad I guess I have never read ever post we all made because I only in all the years read wonderful loving kind words no lie not picking sides. Some times I not sure whats being said but oh SO beautiful. Sometimes its nice to hear how you maybe don't know all the people you bless sis
I don't know truly why we tend to rush to the negative. We tend not to bend but to fight and the moment we do that no matter how big or small the battle is no longer His bur ours.
I have posted many times what I never wrote. Oh can't tell you how many times I thought how wonderful it would be if they believed I write like that. Its a fact that you do tend to believe when told over and over something.. spelling, writing, grammar. I'm 60 yet age is not the problem. A wonderful believer not sure if its here but said to me in a post "your hard to follow".
I am just making the hard easy point sometimes a person..me really love the way something was written and quotes it yet has never tried to deceive or lie. So I look at op as he liked what was said how it was said and quoted it.
Its what we do how we ack in the small things that matter so much to the lord. So many of you have no clue no idea what seems to some so simple to you is a nightmare for people like me. Some oh wow such beautiful pictures. So glad I guess I have never read ever post we all made because I only in all the years read wonderful loving kind words no lie not picking sides. Some times I not sure whats being said but oh SO beautiful. Sometimes its nice to hear how you maybe don't know all the people you bless sis
The Bible says God calls things that have not happened yet, as though they already happened, for if it is a plan of God to happen in the future it is the same as if it happened in the beginning for it will certainly come to pass with no hindrance.
Which the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world although it was a future event.
And the prophets blood was shed from the foundation of the world although it was a future event.
And the kingdom was prepared for the saints from the foundation of the world although Jesus said He went away to prepare a place so it was a future event.
Jesus is the beginning of creation according to His humanity although it was a future event.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, and the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us which means the Word was a plan of God to happen in the future by Him coming in flesh but was still considered being in the beginning.
And all the works were finished from the foundation of the world although they were future events.
The Son said He had glory in the beginning, and said He gave the saints the same glory, and they shall behold His glory which He was speaking as the man Christ Jesus for the saints could not have the same glory as Him being God, and He wanted the saints to have a glorified body, and be with Him in heaven, and behold His glory as He sits on the throne of heaven.
So the glory Jesus had in the beginning was a future event but was considered in the beginning.
The saints predestined to salvation does not mean God chooses who will be saved, and not saved, without their choice, but God already had the plan to give mankind salvation from the foundation of the world, so it is the same as the saints having salvation in the beginning, but this salvation is to whoever wants it.
For the Bible plainly states that God wants all people to be saved, and come to the knowledge of the truth.
And He is not willing that any person perish but that all should come to repentance.
And the Spirit and bride say come, and anybody that wants that salvation can have it.
Predestined to salvation means that God had the plan to give salvation to mankind from the foundation of the world so it is the same as if they have salvation from the foundation of the world, but that salvation is to whoever wants that salvation.
But some people like to believe in predestination that God chose them to be saved in the beginning so they can never fall so they can enjoy sin and believe they can never fall.
Which the Bible says some have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof, ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth, which turn away from these type of people because of their sinful lifestyle.
They hold on to sin and believe they are alright, and that is the problem with people misinterpreting predestined to salvation.
Which the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world although it was a future event.
And the prophets blood was shed from the foundation of the world although it was a future event.
And the kingdom was prepared for the saints from the foundation of the world although Jesus said He went away to prepare a place so it was a future event.
Jesus is the beginning of creation according to His humanity although it was a future event.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, and the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us which means the Word was a plan of God to happen in the future by Him coming in flesh but was still considered being in the beginning.
And all the works were finished from the foundation of the world although they were future events.
The Son said He had glory in the beginning, and said He gave the saints the same glory, and they shall behold His glory which He was speaking as the man Christ Jesus for the saints could not have the same glory as Him being God, and He wanted the saints to have a glorified body, and be with Him in heaven, and behold His glory as He sits on the throne of heaven.
So the glory Jesus had in the beginning was a future event but was considered in the beginning.
The saints predestined to salvation does not mean God chooses who will be saved, and not saved, without their choice, but God already had the plan to give mankind salvation from the foundation of the world, so it is the same as the saints having salvation in the beginning, but this salvation is to whoever wants it.
For the Bible plainly states that God wants all people to be saved, and come to the knowledge of the truth.
And He is not willing that any person perish but that all should come to repentance.
And the Spirit and bride say come, and anybody that wants that salvation can have it.
Predestined to salvation means that God had the plan to give salvation to mankind from the foundation of the world so it is the same as if they have salvation from the foundation of the world, but that salvation is to whoever wants that salvation.
But some people like to believe in predestination that God chose them to be saved in the beginning so they can never fall so they can enjoy sin and believe they can never fall.
Which the Bible says some have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof, ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth, which turn away from these type of people because of their sinful lifestyle.
They hold on to sin and believe they are alright, and that is the problem with people misinterpreting predestined to salvation.
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He chose us in him to receive the spiritual blessings in the heavenly places. He didn't choose us to be in him. If you want to get in on the spiritual blessings, you must be in him. And in order to be in him, you must first trust in Christ. Read the entire chapter. Don't cherry pick verses and build a doctrine around it.
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
A quick google search of “Esau Edom Russia”
Esau, Red, Edom, Russia's Symbol, The Bear
Esau, Edom The Nation Russia, Study Esau History Revelation 13 Daniel 7 Russia 3 ribs Russia will be the feet of the four world powers of the end times with the help of three rulers. (Rev 13) Russia said we will return and build the desolate places. Russia lost his birthright, he coming to claim his birthright. The word tells us about nations, we are to watch the nations that are against us. We are not talking about the people in Russia that love the Lord. We have the good and bad in all nations. How do they bring in one world order? Revelation 9:19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt. Their power is in their mouth = By lies How many countries tell us what they're going to do in the time of a war? As the song says, you better think.... Malachi 1:2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, 3 And I hated, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. God hated Esau ways, Love less, Esau didn't want to follow God's ways, Esau, Russia waysRussia = Esau was born of Isaac and Rebekah, Genesis 25:21Russia wants his blessing back 4 Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever.
6 A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the Lord of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name? (Russia) Esau is not of the Kenites = Esau is of the seed line of Isaac, he lost his inheritance because he despised his birthright. Russia wants his blessing back. God tells us, The Christians nations will always have problems with Russia. The four world powers in the last days, these help bring in Satan's one world order, Daniel 2 and 7. Revelation 13:2 The Bear is Russia the feet of Satan's one world order = Daniel 7:5
But I don’t believe you have the credentials to deem anyone a credible historian or not.
Esau, Red, Edom, Russia's Symbol, The Bear
Esau, Edom The Nation Russia, Study Esau History Revelation 13 Daniel 7 Russia 3 ribs Russia will be the feet of the four world powers of the end times with the help of three rulers. (Rev 13) Russia said we will return and build the desolate places. Russia lost his birthright, he coming to claim his birthright. The word tells us about nations, we are to watch the nations that are against us. We are not talking about the people in Russia that love the Lord. We have the good and bad in all nations. How do they bring in one world order? Revelation 9:19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt. Their power is in their mouth = By lies How many countries tell us what they're going to do in the time of a war? As the song says, you better think.... Malachi 1:2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, 3 And I hated, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. God hated Esau ways, Love less, Esau didn't want to follow God's ways, Esau, Russia waysRussia = Esau was born of Isaac and Rebekah, Genesis 25:21Russia wants his blessing back 4 Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever.
- Edom's, the nation Russia,
- Russia's symbol the bear, Russia's flag is red
- Edom the elder twin-brother of Jacob; the region (Idumaea) occupied by him. Edomites, Idumea.
- Russia has saith, we are Impoverished or beaten down, but we will return and build the desolate places
- It you are a watchmen, you see this is happening, you are reading tomorrow newspaper.
- God said, they shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The territory of lawlessness.
- This happen when Russia starts to enter Alaska, the 7th vial,Ezekiel 38
- Revelation 13:2 and Daniel 7 = Russia will be one of the world powers in the end times
- 6th vial Revelation 16:12 Russia will be with the kings or rulers of the east
6 A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the Lord of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name? (Russia) Esau is not of the Kenites = Esau is of the seed line of Isaac, he lost his inheritance because he despised his birthright. Russia wants his blessing back. God tells us, The Christians nations will always have problems with Russia. The four world powers in the last days, these help bring in Satan's one world order, Daniel 2 and 7. Revelation 13:2 The Bear is Russia the feet of Satan's one world order = Daniel 7:5
But I don’t believe you have the credentials to deem anyone a credible historian or not.
Another quick google search
The Edomites were the descendants of Esau, the firstborn son of Isaac and the twin brother of Jacob. In the womb, Esau and Jacob struggled together, and God told their mother, Rebekah, that they would become two nations, with the older one serving the younger (Genesis 25:23). As an adult, Esau rashly sold his inheritance to Jacob for a bowl of red soup (Genesis 25:30-34), and he hated his brother afterward. Esau became the father of the Edomites and Jacob became the father of the Israelites, and the two nations continued to struggle through most of their history. In the Bible, “Seir” (Joshua 24:4), “Bozrah” (Isaiah 63:1) and “Sela” (2 Kings 14:7) are references to Edom’s land and capital. Sela is better known today as Petra.
The name “Edom” comes from a Semitic word meaning “red,” and the land south of the Dead Sea was given that name because of the red sandstone so prominent in the topography. Esau, because of the soup for which he traded his birthright, became known as Edom, and later moved his family into the hill country of the same name. Genesis 36 recounts the early history of the Edomites, stating that they had kings reigning over them long before Israel had a king (Genesis 36:31). The religion of the Edomites was similar to that of other pagan societies who worshiped fertility gods. Esau’s descendants eventually dominated the southern lands and made their living by agriculture and trade. One of the ancient trade routes, the King’s Highway (Numbers 20:17) passed through Edom, and when the Israelites requested permission to use the route on their exodus from Egypt, they were rejected by force.
The Edomites were the descendants of Esau, the firstborn son of Isaac and the twin brother of Jacob. In the womb, Esau and Jacob struggled together, and God told their mother, Rebekah, that they would become two nations, with the older one serving the younger (Genesis 25:23). As an adult, Esau rashly sold his inheritance to Jacob for a bowl of red soup (Genesis 25:30-34), and he hated his brother afterward. Esau became the father of the Edomites and Jacob became the father of the Israelites, and the two nations continued to struggle through most of their history. In the Bible, “Seir” (Joshua 24:4), “Bozrah” (Isaiah 63:1) and “Sela” (2 Kings 14:7) are references to Edom’s land and capital. Sela is better known today as Petra.
The name “Edom” comes from a Semitic word meaning “red,” and the land south of the Dead Sea was given that name because of the red sandstone so prominent in the topography. Esau, because of the soup for which he traded his birthright, became known as Edom, and later moved his family into the hill country of the same name. Genesis 36 recounts the early history of the Edomites, stating that they had kings reigning over them long before Israel had a king (Genesis 36:31). The religion of the Edomites was similar to that of other pagan societies who worshiped fertility gods. Esau’s descendants eventually dominated the southern lands and made their living by agriculture and trade. One of the ancient trade routes, the King’s Highway (Numbers 20:17) passed through Edom, and when the Israelites requested permission to use the route on their exodus from Egypt, they were rejected by force.
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Esau, who was also called "Edom", also referred to as Rosh in the Hebrew, from which in English we get "Russia" [Rosh-people]. Jacob's name will be changed by God to "Israel", and through his twelve sons, will grow into a multitude of nations.
Within the womb of Rebekah you have the two super powers of the end generation, that we are now in. The Christian and Jewish nations of peoples on one side, and the children of Esau, or Russian people on the other. This is all part of God's plan, and stated within the promises of the covenant that God gave to Abraham.
God's hatred toward toward Esau was great, and is stated in both Malachi 1:3, and Romans 9:13; "...Jacob I loved,and Esau I hated". God does not hate the innocent child, however, he does hate that sin that was committed prior to this earth age, in the "age that was". And the hatred toward Esau was from the sin committed in that time prior to his entering the womb. The Russian Christians have suffered a lot by their people, and the Kenites that live and rule amongst them, and God has a deep love for them. So much so that He gave His only Begotten Son so they might have eternal life.
Esau, who was also called "Edom", also referred to as Rosh in the Hebrew, from which in English we get "Russia" [Rosh-people]. Jacob's name will be changed by God to "Israel", and through his twelve sons, will grow into a multitude of nations.
Within the womb of Rebekah you have the two super powers of the end generation, that we are now in. The Christian and Jewish nations of peoples on one side, and the children of Esau, or Russian people on the other. This is all part of God's plan, and stated within the promises of the covenant that God gave to Abraham.
God's hatred toward toward Esau was great, and is stated in both Malachi 1:3, and Romans 9:13; "...Jacob I loved,and Esau I hated". God does not hate the innocent child, however, he does hate that sin that was committed prior to this earth age, in the "age that was". And the hatred toward Esau was from the sin committed in that time prior to his entering the womb. The Russian Christians have suffered a lot by their people, and the Kenites that live and rule amongst them, and God has a deep love for them. So much so that He gave His only Begotten Son so they might have eternal life.