Predestination is misunderstood...
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The answer is right there in Scripture for those who want it.
1. God has given mankind the Gospel.
2. The Holy Spirit uses the Gospel to convict and convince sinners.
3. All men are COMMANDED to obey the Gospel.
4. But God will compel no one to be saved.
5. And God will elect no one to be saved either.
6. Salvation is offered to all mankind, but all must repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
1. God has given mankind the Gospel.
2. The Holy Spirit uses the Gospel to convict and convince sinners.
3. All men are COMMANDED to obey the Gospel.
4. But God will compel no one to be saved.
5. And God will elect no one to be saved either.
6. Salvation is offered to all mankind, but all must repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
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How is our belief "caused?"
I do believe something was caused by God to enable our soul to believe.
But, if we remain unable to differentiate between the functions of our soul and our flesh? Some will attribute our belief to a mysterious process only known to God.
In that case? God's sovereignty gets the blame for forcing us to believe... That He makes it irresistible.
grace and peace .........
I do believe something was caused by God to enable our soul to believe.
But, if we remain unable to differentiate between the functions of our soul and our flesh? Some will attribute our belief to a mysterious process only known to God.
In that case? God's sovereignty gets the blame for forcing us to believe... That He makes it irresistible.
grace and peace .........
That would be to compare ourselves among ourselves which is foolish.
2 Cor. 10:12 Not that we dare to classify or compare ourselves with some of those who are commending themselves. But when they measure themselves by one another and compare themselves with one another, they are without understanding.
2 Cor. 10:12 Not that we dare to classify or compare ourselves with some of those who are commending themselves. But when they measure themselves by one another and compare themselves with one another, they are without understanding.
Not failed to understand. Being regenerated means being delivered from spiritual death and believing in the Gospel of Christ means being delivered from spiritual death. If one is regenerated in order to believe they are effectively being saved to be saved. We're not talking about believing in Christ as the word of truth for our progressive sanctification, we are talking about passing from death to life.
The original post I quoted basically said no-one can believe the Gospel unless they are first born again. That means a person must first be saved before they can be saved.
The original post I quoted basically said no-one can believe the Gospel unless they are first born again. That means a person must first be saved before they can be saved.
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After salvation we need to be delivered from Ignorance which takes place after we are saved....
Those were "Strong words."
Isaiah 55:8-9
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After salvation we need to be delivered from Ignorance which takes place after we are saved....
Those were "Strong words."
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.
“As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Isaiah 55:8-9
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Omniscience means that God's knowledge of reality is not limited to time.
Right now He is knowing and seeing a billion years into the future.
He does not simply know the future.
He has always been knowing the future.
There never was a time that he did not know all there is a billion years into the future.
Yes.... we are microscopic pea brains in relation to Gods knowledge.
Makes one wonder why He would want anything to do with us.
But, here we are arguing back and forth, even dogmatically, over something that might amount to being only a hunch to some of us.
What we fail to see is the potential of a soul.
After all. Jesus Christ is God being in union with a soul.
What God saved us for is having a potential for our souls that right now we can not dream or imagine.
To begin with. He had to save us out of death into life.
It says so here................
You and I?
And, all believers?
Had to be physically alive when we believed.
We were not physically dead.
So, logically?
He did not save us out of being physically dead.
But, out from being spiritually dead.
I hope that helps....
Right now He is knowing and seeing a billion years into the future.
He does not simply know the future.
He has always been knowing the future.
There never was a time that he did not know all there is a billion years into the future.
Yes.... we are microscopic pea brains in relation to Gods knowledge.
Makes one wonder why He would want anything to do with us.
But, here we are arguing back and forth, even dogmatically, over something that might amount to being only a hunch to some of us.
What we fail to see is the potential of a soul.
After all. Jesus Christ is God being in union with a soul.
What God saved us for is having a potential for our souls that right now we can not dream or imagine.
To begin with. He had to save us out of death into life.
It says so here................
“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me
has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life." John 5:24
You and I?
And, all believers?
Had to be physically alive when we believed.
We were not physically dead.
So, logically?
He did not save us out of being physically dead.
But, out from being spiritually dead.
“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me
has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life."
I hope that helps....
Sorry, but I only answer to biblical scriptures from the KJV version of the bible. In my studies I believe the scriptures prove scriptures, and they are my only source of study.
John, I love to defend the doctrine of Christ, and it would help if you would give me some scriptures to help me understand where you are getting your information to support your comments.
2Co 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
J.
2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
J.
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