Predestination is misunderstood...
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It's funny seeing the Reformed use AW Pink as a poster board for their doctrine when we have written and audio of him basically destroying the Gospel of Grace with his...
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Hey you! Yeah you, who God purposed for destruction. REPENT. And if you don’t it’s all your fault, even though God designed you for that very purpose. It’s a quite weird view of God.
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Also, if God decreed EVERYTHING in eternity past, like many Calvinists/Reformed claim, how can we speak against evils like abortion, transgenderism, slavery? I mean decreeing everything means decreeing everything. Which means, if you oppose these things, then you’re opposing God himself.
Certainly a weird view of God.
Certainly a weird view of God.
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I wasn't saying it so not sure why you are but ....
1Tim.2:1-4
Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Hard to see how it is unbiblical to say God wants all men to be saved when the scripture says that very thing.
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that those who are not saved have never been given the opportunity to respond to God.
1Tim.2:1-4
Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Hard to see how it is unbiblical to say God wants all men to be saved when the scripture says that very thing.
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that those who are not saved have never been given the opportunity to respond to God.
Paul left Timothy with the church at Ephesus to charge some in the church that they teach no other doctrine (1 Tim 1:3).
Paul further states that they should pray for those that have authority over the city of Ephesus that the church may lead a good and peaceable life in all goodness and honesty (1 Tim 2:1-2).
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men, who are teaching another doctrine, to be saved=delivered, and to come unto a knowledge of the truth.
This scripture also harmonizes with Rom 10:1-3.
There are droves of bad theology from the Calvinist/Reformed camp and I’m shocked they can’t see through it. And I do think that anyone who has a dog in this fight should speak up, even if it sounds like you’re copycatting someone’s ideas. I can’t help myself, I have to post on this topic, and I hope you can’t help yourselves either. In a way we need to be like a collective, the more minds on deck, the better. If we keep up, we may never again have to wonder how it’s conceivably possible that people can’t see this nonsense.
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Lol well I ain’t gonna act like I don’t live in a glass house on that one.
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That is the billion dollar question now, isn't it?
But if you research this AW Pink you will discover he was hardcore Calvinism from the word go of his ministry. He just waved the Calvin Banner like same sex do with a Pride Flag. But what shocked me during my research. Was he went from this machine gun Calvin doctrine to near the END of his ministry he "changed." His final messages were about Repentance and let's get the Gospel out to anyone with ears.
So in the END, he left his Calvin roots and began walking in the opposite Theology.
All I can say to that is "Praise God!"
But if you research this AW Pink you will discover he was hardcore Calvinism from the word go of his ministry. He just waved the Calvin Banner like same sex do with a Pride Flag. But what shocked me during my research. Was he went from this machine gun Calvin doctrine to near the END of his ministry he "changed." His final messages were about Repentance and let's get the Gospel out to anyone with ears.
So in the END, he left his Calvin roots and began walking in the opposite Theology.
All I can say to that is "Praise God!"
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So I brought up your interpretation that Adam was basically satan, and that satan didn't/doesn't exist as a being, but rather as something Adam and all of us struggle with internally last night.
One of the learned participants had heard of a similar doctrine from a group called "Christadelphians".
Do you consider yourself a Christadelphian?
One of the learned participants had heard of a similar doctrine from a group called "Christadelphians".
Do you consider yourself a Christadelphian?
^I'll research a bit into it and see if I line up with them anywhere else.
There is a Christian philosopher often quoted by a teacher (with a philosophical background) whose thoughts I often check in on at times that I find myself in want of encouragement. I think it might've been Kirkegaard, though that is not the only philosopher that he often quotes, maybe it was CS Lewis... anyway, it was something about the human's inate potential to be either a (paraphrasing) something (antithetical to glorious) horror or a beautiful something something better. I wish my retention of exact wording were so much more adequate, but I tend to think in abstracts. At any rate, I do believe this to of a truth.
There is a Christian philosopher often quoted by a teacher (with a philosophical background) whose thoughts I often check in on at times that I find myself in want of encouragement. I think it might've been Kirkegaard, though that is not the only philosopher that he often quotes, maybe it was CS Lewis... anyway, it was something about the human's inate potential to be either a (paraphrasing) something (antithetical to glorious) horror or a beautiful something something better. I wish my retention of exact wording were so much more adequate, but I tend to think in abstracts. At any rate, I do believe this to of a truth.
I don’t think you are understanding my point. Why would God bother with inspiring Scripture to ensure it was entirely accurate if it humanity was blind to it and they had to be enlightened to understand it in the first place? It would seem to me that the very purpose of inspiration and ensuring the accuracy of God’s Word is because it is understandable to everyone who reads or hears it.
Put another way: If it has to be decoded by the Spirit for people to understand it, then why would the Spirit bother with inspiration of the original authors in its transmission?
Put another way: If it has to be decoded by the Spirit for people to understand it, then why would the Spirit bother with inspiration of the original authors in its transmission?
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