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Well, again. My Bible says the opposite. It says the world will descend into all our depravity and war, then Jesus will return to completely destroy the world and create a new world and a new heavens.

Just a question, are you under the care of a Shephard or are you on your own
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I Paul was not a servant until I became one

21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of[a] your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.


I Paul was not a servant untill I became one

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Saul once wasn't a servant, but he found out that he was an Elect Saint of God and God called him Paul. So, yeah Saul the Jew didn't know that he was an Elect Saint of God, until the Lord revealed it to him and he became Saint Paul the Christian guy
 
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Would you like to see the bill of sale. I can scan the receipt and send you a copy, if you don't believe it's mine. I legally own it
Jesus legally owns his life in all men because its his life.

Before the fall the light of all men went out by the power of death in his life, but his life still remained in all men

In the beginning the light of all men which was the life of Jesus was created in Adam in heaven. All mankind before the fall.


John 1


4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made

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Would you like to see the bill of sale. I can scan the receipt and send you a copy, if you don't believe it's mine. I legally own it
The world did not recognise him

Because the world had there lights puts out by the power of his death in his life.

John 1 true light of all men was coming to the world

The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him

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Would you like to see the bill of sale. I can scan the receipt and send you a copy, if you don't believe it's mine. I legally own it
Jesus has never left the world.

John 1

10 He was in the world, and though the world the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him

He was in you before you where saved

The world did not recognise him

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Jesus legally owns his life in all men because its his life.

Before the fall the light of all men went out by the power of death in his life, but his life still remained in all men

In the beginning the light of all men which was the life of Jesus was created in Adam in heaven. All mankind before the fall.


John 1


4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made

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Again, my Bible doesn't say there was a pre Adamic race of Neanderthals. I would have a look at other bible translations as I don't think you'll find that nonsense in any of the other translations.

There was only one man in existence before the fall, so you're way off the mark bro
 
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Again, my Bible doesn't say there was a pre Adamic race of Neanderthals. I would have a look at other bible translations as I don't think you'll find that nonsense in any of the other translations.

There was only one man in existence before the fall, so you're way off the mark bro
Genesis 1 God created all mankind in his image in Adam in heaven

Then he said go and fill the earth Adam.

Then he formed the earthly man out of dust.

Then he put in Adam the earthly man is heavenly spirit whom he had already blessed in heaven with his life, which was to be the life of all mankind

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The world did not recognise him

Because the world had there lights puts out by the power of his death in his life.

John 1 true light of all men was coming to the world

The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him

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Light coming into the world is useless to those who do not recognize it. Here we go a quick bible lesson, the word "world" in that verse refers to the non elect, unbelievers and the reprobate.

You always need to look for the context of every word. Most people think of the globe when they hear the word world, but you and I know better my friend.
 
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Jesus has never left the world.

John 1

10 He was in the world, and though the world the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him

He was in you before you where saved

The world did not recognise him

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Your interpretation of that verse is absolutely wrong. The fact is Jesus was only on the earth for 33 years. He was never here before or after, but He will come back one day. Again I don't know if it's that NIV translation or something else but what you said it totally wrong
 
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Genesis 1 God created all mankind in his image in Adam in heaven

Then he said go and fill the earth Adam.

Then he formed the earthly man out of dust.

Then he put in Adam the earthly man is heavenly spirit whom he had already blessed in heaven with his life, which was to be the life of all mankind

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Jesu never created all mankind, He created Adam and Eve and the rest is history. You can't change what God has clearly said
 

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What I don’t get is if Reformed people believe God designed some for the exact purpose of destruction in hell for eternity, then why do they call such people to repent of their sin? It’s as if they’re calling on them to defy the very purpose God created them.

Hey you! Yeah you, who God purposed for destruction. REPENT. And if you don’t it’s all your fault, even though God designed you for that very purpose. It’s a quite weird view of God.

It really is! It's like God is not only cruel enough to create a people to murder, but then He mocks them time and again.

No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.

Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out,

The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent,

And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

All kinds of verses and yet they cannot obey! How cruel if God were really like that? Never in the Bible does it say a person cannot repent, it says they WILL NOT repent. Big difference.
 

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Also, if God decreed EVERYTHING in eternity past, like many Calvinists/Reformed claim, how can we speak against evils like abortion, transgenderism, slavery? I mean decreeing everything means decreeing everything. Which means, if you oppose these things, then you’re opposing God himself.

Certainly a weird view of God.
Right, that means everything from the Holocaust to 9/11 or the abuse of a child is all God's will. Pretty sick when you think about it.
 

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There are droves of bad theology from the Calvinist/Reformed camp and I’m shocked they can’t see through it. And I do think that anyone who has a dog in this fight should speak up, even if it sounds like you’re copycatting someone’s ideas. I can’t help myself, I have to post on this topic, and I hope you can’t help yourselves either. In a way we need to be like a collective, the more minds on deck, the better. If we keep up, we may never again have to wonder how it’s conceivably possible that people can’t see this nonsense.

The "gospel" of Calvin is offensive and heresy. That God would create a people to murder. A people that are doomed, who cannot be saved. Not that they will not, but they cannot. Just an evil belief altogether. I spent over 21yrs in evangelism, traveling miles from the comfort of my home to tell people that Jesus saves and delivers. That there is hope and that is in Christ. As far as Calvinists are concerned I'd have done as much good if I had shot myself in the foot. I have missionary friends that were able to go much farther than I was able to to bring the world to other nations. How selfish must one be to believe Jesus is just for them and no one else. If Calvin made it to heaven he has a lot to answer for.
 
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Jesu never created all mankind, He created Adam and Eve and the rest is history. You can't change what God has clearly said
Not correct Charlie,..obviously your reading but obviously your not dwelling.

Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image,

Then Jesus blessed Adam and said go and fill the earth with my life.

Life from life


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Your interpretation of that verse is absolutely wrong. The fact is Jesus was only on the earth for 33 years. He was never here before or after, but He will come back one day. Again I don't know if it's that NIV translation or something else but what you said it totally wrong
Jesus has never left the earth world

John 1 Jesus was in the world,.that means you and I but we did not recognise him.

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Not correct Charlie,..obviously your reading but obviously your not dwelling.

Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image,

Then Jesus blessed Adam and said go and fill the earth with my life.

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What does mankind mean in your bible, in my bible it means mankind not animal kind. It's just describing the species, not 8 billion of them
 
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What does mankind mean in your bible, in my bible it means mankind not animal kind. It's just describing the species, not 8 billion of them
God is a God of the living.

Life from his life.


First life was created in heaven before life was re created on earth.


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27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

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